VP Harris adopts Trump policy on Immigration

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Cimarron

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"I want to emphasize that the goal of our work is to help Guatemalans find hope at home, at the same time I want to be clear to folks in this region who are thinking about making the dangerous trek to the United States-Mexico border -- do not come, do not come," she said in Guatemala.

"The United States will continue to enforce our laws and secure our border," she said. "There are legal methods by which migration can and should occur but we, as one of our priorities, will discourage illegal migration and I believe if you come to our border you will be turned back."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-mixed-messages-border-migrant-embrace-do-not-come
 
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But my parents told me Democrats wanted to open all the borders and have no more countries which was a sign of Revelations aka they are probably in cahoots with the Satans.
 

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But my parents told me Democrats wanted to open all the borders and have no more countries which was a sign of Revelations aka they are probably in cahoots with the Satans.
No I believe you're misinformed, I think it was your parents quoting liberals saying they wanted open borders. Hey it's interesting that they are now changing their tune now that we have a crisis.

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No I believe you're misinformed, I think it was your parents quoting liberals saying they wanted open borders. Hey it's interesting that they are now changing their tune now that we have a crisis.

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Somebody may have glanced at the polls...
 

Cimarron

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Yes, the policy appears similar.

However, does anyone on here agree that it sounds better than calling immigrants rapists, criminals and drug addicts?
You're saying there aren't any immigrants that crossed the border that were rapists, criminals and drug addicts?
 

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But my parents told me Democrats wanted to open all the borders and have no more countries which was a sign of Revelations aka they are probably in cahoots with the Satans.
You might do a study of history and review VP Harris past comments.
 

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Good for her....I applaud this. Now just waiting for the media and her own party to call her racist, bigoted and xenophobic. Hmm, nothing, it's almost like they have a double standard or something.
 

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You're saying there aren't any immigrants that crossed the border that were rapists, criminals and drug addicts?
No, I didn’t say that you dingdong;

I said Harris didn’t classify immigrants from Southern Countries as: “most are rapists, criminals and drug addicts and some are good people” like the bankrupt casino owner.
 
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Good for her....I applaud this. Now just waiting for the media and her own party to call her racist, bigoted and xenophobic. Hmm, nothing, it's almost like they have a double standard or something.
It's almost like when you don't describe an entire group of people with words meant to incite anger and hatred towards them people don't get upset with you...
 

Cimarron

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No, I didn’t say that you dingdong;

I said Harris didn’t classify immigrants from Southern Countries as: “most are rapists, criminals and drug addicts and some are good people” like the bankrupt casino owner.
It is a widely held view – shared by local and international NGOs and health professionals working with migrant women – that as many as six in 10 migrant women and girls are raped.

https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/36000/amr410142010eng.pdf
 
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It is a widely held view – shared by local and international NGOs and health professionals working with migrant women – that as many as six in 10 migrant women and girls are raped.

https://www.amnesty.org/download/Documents/36000/amr410142010eng.pdf
A few of things about that. First, if you at all read the report, it's not other migrants that they're largely blaming for that. Second, while an unfortunately common experience, it's probably around 10% or less of women who experience it while migrating and varies with the era. That's less than or similar to the prevalence of sexual assault for women during college. Even the numbers they cite from a more legit study (still not a great one though) only gets to 23 out of 90 experiencing any kind of violence, nowhere near the 6 in 10. Third, as implied above, the only way you get to the "six in ten" number is when you combine pre migration, in transit, and post migration sexual assault and even then, that's likely an overestimation except for women specifically seeking asylum which has an overrepresentation of women with histories of violence victimization precisely because they are often seeking asylum from that violence or threats of violence.

So, your implication that migrants are rapists based on these data are not accurate. Yes, some migrants commit rape, but there is zero evidence that migrants commit rape at any higher rate than other groups and at a bare minimum, this certainly isn't that missing piece of evidence either.

As a side note, most of those who do research in this area also think that harsh immigration policies actually make this worse because people get desperate when there is no other option. That's not to say I'm a believer in open borders, but a reality of policy. If there are enough migration pressures, people will tolerate awfulness to get through.
 
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No, I didn’t say that you dingdong;

I said Harris didn’t classify immigrants from Southern Countries as: “most are rapists, criminals and drug addicts and some are good people” like the bankrupt casino owner.
You really need to reread what he actually said. Hint..."most" was never said.
 

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A few of things about that. First, if you at all read the report, it's not other migrants that they're largely blaming for that. Second, while an unfortunately common experience, it's probably around 10% or less of women who experience it while migrating and varies with the era. That's less than or similar to the prevalence of sexual assault for women during college. Even the numbers they cite from a more legit study (still not a great one though) only gets to 23 out of 90 experiencing any kind of violence, nowhere near the 6 in 10. Third, as implied above, the only way you get to the "six in ten" number is when you combine pre migration, in transit, and post migration sexual assault and even then, that's likely an overestimation except for women specifically seeking asylum which has an overrepresentation of women with histories of violence victimization precisely because they are often seeking asylum from that violence or threats of violence.

So, your implication that migrants are rapists based on these data are not accurate. Yes, some migrants commit rape, but there is zero evidence that migrants commit rape at any higher rate than other groups and at a bare minimum, this certainly isn't that missing piece of evidence either.

As a side note, most of those who do research in this area also think that harsh immigration policies actually make this worse because people get desperate when there is no other option. That's not to say I'm a believer in open borders, but a reality of policy. If there are enough migration pressures, people will tolerate awfulness to get through.
You are correct but don't bother with that guy. He has an agenda and it's not worth wasting your time to respond to him. Personally I don't have Cim on ignore but I ignore anything he says. 6 months ago he was totally cool with overthrowing the government. Your best action to what he says is to ignore it and hope he just goes away.

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wrenhal

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Yes, the policy appears similar.

However, does anyone on here agree that it sounds better than calling immigrants rapists, criminals and drug addicts?
You really still go with this debunked claim? You don't believe ICE and CBP officials that have stated they've caught ms-13 gang members? Because that is who Trump was talking about, and anyone that has heard him speak of this would know that because he is very clear to state he's talking about the gangs, not all of those crossing the border.

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wrenhal

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Good for her....I applaud this. Now just waiting for the media and her own party to call her racist, bigoted and xenophobic. Hmm, nothing, it's almost like they have a double standard or something.
It's almost like when you don't describe an entire group of people with words meant to incite anger and hatred towards them people don't get upset with you...
He never did, he talked about ms-13 the violent gang.

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