Ukraine official says they are ready to investigate Biden's son if Trump ask

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ramases2112

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They aren't stupid. It would destroy the Republican party forever and leave america in the hands of communists.

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See what I just said. I'm not calling for the guys head but I think if it plays out right you guys can get a clean break and have plenty of time to put solid candidates into the 2020 race. If Trump was a solid Republican insider for the last few decades, yeah die on that hill. But no rational voter sees him as a true Republican and I guarantee that if the impeachment is framed right and the nation moves on quickly it's not going to kill congressional Republicans in 2020.
Trump has been the most conservative president since Reagan lmao.

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You have no idea about anything involving republican politics. The republican party and its voters are near 100% behind him (all polls, even those from hostile pollsters) have his support north of 90%. If the Republican establishment think they will get away with it, they will fracture the party and leave the country in the hands of socialists and communists.

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That’s some potent Koolaid you and the Rebumplicans are gulping. For the good of the country please quit drinking. Lol
 

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Pence is almost certainly clean in all of this. He's a boy scout and understands how to behave as a politician so even if he got his hands dirty he's smart enough to leave himself with plausible deniability (IMO if Trump goes down its because be didn't come up with a fall guy).
Don't kid yourself, the minute Trump is gone, the media machine would start in on Pence (whether he's clean or not, doesn't matter to then). I've already heard impeaching Pence mentioned on CNN.

Of course, I'm sure they would prefer to take Pence out at the same time as Trump to give us president Pelosi, but even if they can't they still can't run on their Insane policies. They would have no other choice but to implicate Pence in all the same scandals.

The second Trump is gone, Pence would become the biggest racist and homophobe in the world, at least according to the mainstream media.
 

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Don't kid yourself, the minute Trump is gone, the media machine would start in on Pence (whether he's clean or not, doesn't matter to then). I've already heard impeaching Pence mentioned on CNN.

Of course, I'm sure they would prefer to take Pence out at the same time as Trump to give us president Pelosi, but even if they can't they still can't run on their Insane policies. They would have no other choice but to implicate Pence in all the same scandals.

The second Trump is gone, Pence would become the biggest racist and homophobe in the world, at least according to the mainstream media.
All of us tend to make politics a game. With that in mind, when I was the head coach my assistant coach ALWAYS knew what play we were running and often suggested one. Just saying.
 

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All of us tend to make politics a game. With that in mind, when I was the head coach my assistant coach ALWAYS knew what play we were running and often suggested one. Just saying.
Thank you for proving my point.

Does that go the other way as well? Meaning was Obama in on the Biden's corruption in Ukraine?
 

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Don't kid yourself, the minute Trump is gone, the media machine would start in on Pence (whether he's clean or not, doesn't matter to then). I've already heard impeaching Pence mentioned on CNN.

Of course, I'm sure they would prefer to take Pence out at the same time as Trump to give us president Pelosi, but even if they can't they still can't run on their Insane policies. They would have no other choice but to implicate Pence in all the same scandals.

The second Trump is gone, Pence would become the biggest racist and homophobe in the world, at least according to the mainstream media.
Sort of like how every Democrat running is nothing more than a socialist that wants to ruin the country? Of course his detractors are going to try and make him look bad-that is normal and happens all the time.

Besides it already happened. Remember the Billy Graham rule thing from 2016? It would be a continuing theme if we see him become President. And guess what-no one cares. The same number of people will love him or hate him regardless
 

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I try not to overuse whataboutism, but feel free to wade into to those far too familiar drones. Lol
LOL, I repeated your words almost exactly and you accuse me of whataboutism.

Pelosi is speaker of the house today...and 3rd in line for the presidency right now. And she's just as crooked as the rest of them. Quit acting like it's a crime to point that out just because you can't defend her.
 

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LOL, I repeated your words almost exactly and you accuse me of whataboutism.

Pelosi is speaker of the house today...and 3rd in line for the presidency right now. And she's just as crooked as the rest of them. Quit acting like it's a crime to point that out just because you can't defend her.
I’ll defend Pelosi you defend Rudy! Rofl
 

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What exactly is it again that Biden broke the law on? If we are worried about corrupt kids doing business how is that not going on right now with the Trump kids?
The accusation is that Biden used his position and tax payer money to get a prosecutor fired who was investigating his sons dealings in the country. A quid pro quo, in other words very similar to what Trump was being accused of on the phone call.

We should worry about corrupt deals of family members of politicians who are in a position to influence such deals. If Trump's family falls into that category, then by all means investigate them too. You keep trying to imply I'm being partisan here, I am not....I also want McConnells wife investigated for dealings in China.
 
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The accusation is that Biden used his position and tax payer money to get a prosecutor fired who was investigating his sons dealings in the country. A quid pro quo, in other words very similar to what Trump was being accused of on the phone call.

We should worry about corrupt deals of family members of politicians who are in a position to influence such deals. If Trump's family falls into that category, then by all means investigate them too. You keep trying to imply I'm being partisan here, I am not....I also want McConnells wife investigated for dealings in China.
The quid pro quo Biden did though has no underlining crime. Firing a prosecutor is not a crime. A quid pro quo is not a crime. That is how a lot of political deals get done. Trump's involved getting help in an election from a foreign government. That is a crime. He funneled foreign money into is campaign illegally.

One is possibly corrupt in a foreign country, one is a crime in the US that affects the democratic process. They are hugely different IMO.
 

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The quid pro quo Biden did though has no underlining crime. Firing a prosecutor is not a crime. A quid pro quo is not a crime. That is how a lot of political deals get done. Trump's involved getting help in an election from a foreign government. That is a crime. He funneled foreign money into is campaign illegally.

One is possibly corrupt in a foreign country, one is a crime in the US that affects the democratic process. They are hugely different IMO.
Well we do agree that they are hugely different. Trump's sought to investigate a possible crime, Biden's sought to cover a possible crime up. Even if it's true that both situations would benefit each respective individual I see one as vastly more corrupt and immoral than the other.
 
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