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Well IIRC..the last time he did this, there was a riot at our Capitol Building
Now he is doing it to a State Election within his Own Party. We good if this ends in a riot at the PA Capitol building too?
We've seen these exact voter fraud claims from the same person lead to riots in our streets and seen those same claims that led to those very riots disproved time and time and time and time again in courts of law
Now we are cool if the same guy, starts making the same claims, but this time about his own party, and at a state level and just shrug it off?
Now he is doing it to a State Election within his Own Party. We good if this ends in a riot at the PA Capitol building too?
We've seen these exact voter fraud claims from the same person lead to riots in our streets and seen those same claims that led to those very riots disproved time and time and time and time again in courts of law
Now we are cool if the same guy, starts making the same claims, but this time about his own party, and at a state level and just shrug it off?
This is such a well thought-out and clear post. It's really a shame it was wasted on a response to Cim. Sad to say, but there is absolutely no point in debating or responding to his posts because he doesn't care about the responses. He only wants to generate controversy and disdains anything anything even remotely 'liberal'.
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For the record, I did say I wish he'd shut the hell up.....so to answer your question, no we are not ok with riots. We should strive to have everyone treated the same though. If we are ok with most politicians questioning elections, and we seem to be, then it's ok for all. If on the other hand, we have decided it is too dangerous because it could lead to riots, then we should berate ALL politicians who do it. This is pretty simple, either it's ok or it's not.
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It is literally Trump going after GOP candidates in a GOP Primary election with GOP VOTERS ONLY
and we get multiple responses from people.
Well the Dems complain too....
About themselves? They attack themselves over this in their own primaries ?
This guy is destroying the foundation of the GOP by his actions and words and has for years...to the point when he fully turns on his own party in this case and starts blaming them of cheating we shrug it off as normal?
and we get multiple responses from people.
Well the Dems complain too....
About themselves? They attack themselves over this in their own primaries ?
This guy is destroying the foundation of the GOP by his actions and words and has for years...to the point when he fully turns on his own party in this case and starts blaming them of cheating we shrug it off as normal?
Why not elect some good strong GOP Leadership that will call this clown out for what he is, put him in his place, rally the party behind separating themselves from the moron and Refocus the GOP agenda and put out some solid candidates to vote for.
That is what I want the GOP to do about it. Yet the Leadership has FAILED every opportunity to rebuke and move beyond Trump. He wouldn't have the influence he does today if they did what they needed to do.
Reagan would have laughed Trump out of the building would have strengthened the party against such foolery and NOT dwelled on letting him hang around. He would have showed him the door, booted him out and made sure the GOP stood behind the decision and supported it all the way.
Where we are now, the clown is the most powerful man in the Party.
That is what I want the GOP to do about it. Yet the Leadership has FAILED every opportunity to rebuke and move beyond Trump. He wouldn't have the influence he does today if they did what they needed to do.
Reagan would have laughed Trump out of the building would have strengthened the party against such foolery and NOT dwelled on letting him hang around. He would have showed him the door, booted him out and made sure the GOP stood behind the decision and supported it all the way.
Where we are now, the clown is the most powerful man in the Party.
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But she was brought up in this Trump thread as a direct comparison to Trump.
https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/586015-the-pioneer-of-election-disinformation/amp/
it appears from this article that she began with claims of fraud, then has backed away and hit more on suppression. But, for political purposes, not because of honor or seeing the light.
I still think Trumps claims reach another level for his persistence and attempts to pressure officials to commit fraud. The fact that he is doubling down on the current elections would be surprising if it were anyone else.
https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/586015-the-pioneer-of-election-disinformation/amp/
it appears from this article that she began with claims of fraud, then has backed away and hit more on suppression. But, for political purposes, not because of honor or seeing the light.
I still think Trumps claims reach another level for his persistence and attempts to pressure officials to commit fraud. The fact that he is doubling down on the current elections would be surprising if it were anyone else.
I've recently gone from registered Libertarian back to officially registered as "Independent/Unaffiliated".
I don't get to vote in partisan primaries anymore (except the Libertarian party allows independents to vote in their primaries) and I don't have "party lines" to vote across. I vote for the candidate I think is most qualified and reasonable in the general regardless of party line. Always have.
As far as I'm concerned, the more the organized parties destroy themselves from within, the better. I hope the moderates in the Republican party win the fight for the parties soul, but the second best outcome to me is that it gets burned from within and has to basically start all over reconstructing itself.
I don't get to vote in partisan primaries anymore (except the Libertarian party allows independents to vote in their primaries) and I don't have "party lines" to vote across. I vote for the candidate I think is most qualified and reasonable in the general regardless of party line. Always have.
As far as I'm concerned, the more the organized parties destroy themselves from within, the better. I hope the moderates in the Republican party win the fight for the parties soul, but the second best outcome to me is that it gets burned from within and has to basically start all over reconstructing itself.
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I don't fully disagree, but would add a couple points. 1. I'm also independent. What I mean by party lines is just that I'll vote multiple parties. I used to vote Libertarian and both major parties. 2. I'm not convinced that a war among Republicans is a good thing. The last time a major party dissolved, we had a civil war with Republicans emerging from the ashes of the Whig party and geographic realignment. If the republican party eats itself in this way, chaos likely ensues. I'd rather Trump continue reshaping the Republican party such that a third option can be more viable in red states where trumpism is not super popular, like Utah. That would seem like a feasible option for a third party to grow because I think other states would potentially jump on board if an appealing enough leader came on board. Nebraska, where I live, is one example where the local Republican party often separates itself from trumpism, but it's not quite enough to fully fracture it. I realize I'm talking about the third party pipe dream that others have discussed for decades, but that seems like a semi plausible route to it.
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