Town votes to shut down library because they refuse to pull LGBT books

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I wonder how much of this is really people not wanting to pay increased taxes for the library versus media attempting to make this a bigger social story.
Jamestown is a suburb of Grand Rapids --- according to other articles, there were a couple of suburbs that also voted on police, fire, and library. Nearby Tallmadge barely passed their library millage with over 49% voting against and it doesnt appear they have this controversy.
 

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I wonder how much of this is really people not wanting to pay increased taxes for the library versus media attempting to make this a bigger social story.
Jamestown is a suburb of Grand Rapids --- according to other articles, there were a couple of suburbs that also voted on police, fire, and library. Nearby Tallmadge barely passed their library millage with over 49% voting against and it doesnt appear they have this controversy.
tax increase to keep the Library would cost each tax payer $24 a YEAR and the Police and Fire items on the ballot passed with over 80% support AND those both added more tax per year $$ to the tax payer than the library would.

One Library director quit because they were being harrassed, threatened and accused of trying to indoctrinate kids over this, and the person who was promoted to replace them....also left for the same reason leading up to the Vote. Both books in question were in the Adult section of the library.
 

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The library’s refusal to submit to the demands led to a campaign urging residents to vote against renewed funding for the library. A group calling itself Jamestown Conservatives handed out flyers condemning a library director who “promoted the LGBTQ ideology” and called for making the library “a safe and neutral place for our children”. On Facebook, the group says it exists to “keep our children safe, and protect their purity, as well as to keep the nuclear family intact as God designed”.

Residents ultimately voted 62% to 37% against a measure that would have raised property taxes by roughly $24 in order to fund the library, even as they approved similar measures to fund the fire department and road work. The library was one of just a few in the state to suffer such a loss, Mikula said: “Most passed with flying colors, sometimes up to 80%.”

The vote comes as libraries across the US face a surge in demands to ban books. The American Library Association identified 729 challenges to “library, school and university materials and services” last year, which led to about 1,600 challenges or removals of individual books. That was up from 273 books the year before and represents “the highest number of attempted book bans since we began compiling these lists 20 years ago”, the ALA president, Patricia Wong, said in a press release.
 

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The library’s refusal to submit to the demands led to a campaign urging residents to vote against renewed funding for the library. A group calling itself Jamestown Conservatives handed out flyers condemning a library director who “promoted the LGBTQ ideology” and called for making the library “a safe and neutral place for our children”. OnFacebook, the group says it exists to “keep our children safe, and protect their purity, as well as to keep the nuclear family intact as God designed”.

Residents ultimately voted 62% to 37% against a measure that would have raised property taxes by roughly $24 in order to fund the library, even as they approved similar measures to fund the fire department and road work. The library was one of just a few in the state to suffer such a loss, Mikula said: “Most passed with flying colors, sometimes up to 80%.”

The vote comes as libraries across the US face a surge in demands to ban books. The American Library Association identified 729 challenges to “library, school and university materials and services” last year, whichled to about 1,600 challenges or removals of individual books. That was up from273 books the year before and represents “the highest number of attempted book bans since we began compiling these lists 20 years ago”, the ALA president, Patricia Wong, said in a press release.
Is porn allowed in this specific library?
 

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Libraries exist to serve communities. The communities they serves should have the right to choose what content they display. I don't like banning books, but this seems like common sense.

I hate to see libraries shut down. They're an invaluable resource for people with few resources. It's too bad this community lost that resource. I wonder if this library could secure private funding in order to continue operations?
 

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Is porn allowed in this specific library?
well they do have The Bible there which depicts a story of underage girls getting their father drunk night after night to the point they could have sex with him to impregnate themselves so they could have children.

I'm sure they have The Catcher in the Rye which has LONG been controversial because of its sexuality depicted between teens

Pretty sure they have Lolita on the shelf too...both Book AND Movie....both SUPER crazy sexualized stories from a 12 yr olds perspective
 
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Is porn allowed in this specific library?
I also searched their catalog and they have this book. So to answer your question. Seems as long as it isn't anything depicting LGBTQ sexual situations then yes...they have HIGHLY controversial and sexually explicit books on their shelves, as do MOST libraries in America.

As a Society, We tend to not care about those things unless it is depicting those acts in a LGBT setting.

Henry Miller’s Tropic of Cancer, published in 1934 in France, was controversial due to its rampant misogyny, sexually graphic content, and themes of toxic masculinity. Its 1961 publication in America led to a series of dozens of famous obscenity trials across the country. One judge said it wasn’t a book, but rather “a cesspool, an open sewer, a pit of putrefaction, a slimy gathering of all that is rotten in the debris of human depravity.”
 

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well they do have The Bible there which depicts a story of underage girls getting their father drunk night after night to the point they could have sex with him to impregnate themselves so they could have children.

I'm sure they have The Catcher in the Rye which has LONG been controversial because of its sexuality depicted between teens

Pretty sure they have Lolita on the shelf tool Book AND Movie....both SUPER crazy sexualized stories from a 12 yr olds perspective
Do they have books with pictures of sex?
 

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They have this one too

Lady Chatterley’s Lover was first published privately in Italy in 1928, but the unexpurgated version didn’t find its way to England before 1960 when Penguin Books printed it. The book is a sexually frank account of an affair between a stonemason and an unhappily married woman from England’s upper class. In 1960, Penguin faced a landmark obscenity case—and won, handily. Despite that, and despite its subsequent best-selling status, poor Lady Chatterley still faced censorship, confiscation, and banning, from India to Australia.
 

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I'm personally not in favor of having federal or even state laws against certain books, etc. However there does need to be a democratic way of having the peoples voice heard...even if in cases like this it has to be a super majority in order to make the changes that particular community wants.

That said, harassment, bullying/badgering, threats, and any sort of violence has no place in the process. Those people who engage in that behavior should be held accountable.
 

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I'm personally not in favor of having federal or even state laws against certain books, etc. However there does need to be a democratic way of having the peoples voice heard...even if in cases like this it has to be a super majority in order to make the changes that particular community wants.

That said, harassment, bullying/badgering, threats, and any sort of violence has no place in the process. Those people who engage in that behavior should be held accountable.
A super majority of 3.4 out of every 10 registered voters. Maybe those 66% of registered voters who didn't turn out to make their voice heard in this election will think better of it in the next one.

If voters in this area didn't want their library shut down, then I would suggest they should have cared enough to show up at the polls. They have no one to blame but themselves if any of the residents are unhappy with the outcome

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A super majority of 3.4 out of every 10 registered voters. Maybe those 66% of registered voters who didn't turn out to make their voice heard in this election will think better of it in the next one.

If voters in this area didn't want their library shut down, then I would suggest they should have cared enough to show up at the polls. They have no one to blame but themselves if any of the residents are unhappy with the outcome

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I honestly didn't even look at the numbers to know if this vote was a supermajority. I was just trying to say that it should take more than 51% of the voters to change something like that.
 

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I honestly didn't even look at the numbers to know if this vote was a supermajority. I was just trying to say that it should take more than 51% of the voters to change something like that.
of the 34% of registered voters that turned out. The defunding of the Library ballot measure passed 63% to 37% so it was well past a super majority for the turn out.

I agree with you in I think they did the process right.

However, I think it GREATLY exposes their local Conservative movement as Anti LGBT since they were willing to shut the whole library down over sexually explicit LGBT material in the adult section of their library while at the same time overlooking the SAME sexually depicted topics for GENERATIONS in which the char of the story of Heterosexual in the SAME library

Does anyone else understand the Hypocrisy in this. My wife is a librarian and that is why is bothers me I guess. She deals with this kind of crap on a daily basis here in Oklahoma and these type of people and she is beyond scared that extremist will end up costing her a job she loves in Oklahoma at some point.

I point this issue out on this little town in Michigan, but if you go do some research etc you will find this exact same process is ongoing widespread across many many many states right now.
 

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of the 34% of registered voters that turned out. The defunding of the Library ballot measure passed 63% to 37% so it was well past a super majority for the turn out.

I agree with you in I think they did the process right.

sexually explicit LGBT material in the adult section of their library while at the same time overlooking the SAME sexually depicted topics for GENERATIONS in which the char of the story of Heterosexual in the SAME library
It doesn't sound like this is the case. Still