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llcoolw

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Geisler debated a lot of atheists, so his style is a bit argumentative for me. The book we read is this one. It’s an apologetics book that spends roughly half of the book arguing intelligent design.

I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0029RJ7D8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_S0FPJ9Y7J7Z5V31Q4JPJ
Being an atheist is just as difficult for me to believe as to believe man has figured out the correct religion. Maybe even harder to believe.
 

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Being an atheist is just as difficult for me to believe as to believe man has figured out the correct religion. Maybe even harder to believe.
I’m not a fundamentalist myself. I cringed at moments while reading the book. But he also makes some good points. While I have a hard time with ardent atheism, I totally get how someone could be agnostic.
 

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I’m not a fundamentalist myself. I cringed at moments while reading the book. But he also makes some good points. While I have a hard time with ardent atheism, I totally get how someone could be agnostic.
Definitely. Over time, I’ve noticed the great religions, are most likely closer to the truth than we can know. I’m not prepared to call any of them crazy anymore.

I find it difficult that a creator would ignite this universe and then judge you. I don’t do that on simulators or simulations I’ve ever played. I’ve watched. I’ve wondered. I’ve gotten mad at the little fellows and smite them and I’ve also gotten happy with them and gave them prosperity. But in the end, I get bored and moved on. There’s the difference I reckon. Obviously, Mother Nature ( My best word for God presently ) is still around. Agnostic isn’t my word though I completely understand.

Is there a word for believing in a God but just no idea on how, who, what, when or where?
I came across theothanatist, the belief there was once a God, but now it’s gone. But that’s not quite right either.

I guess I’ll call it llcoolism, belief in a creator due to the existing world.
 

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Definitely. Over time, I’ve noticed the great religions, are most likely closer to the truth than we can know. I’m not prepared to call any of them crazy anymore.

I find it difficult that a creator would ignite this universe and then judge you. I don’t do that on simulators or simulations I’ve ever played. I’ve watched. I’ve wondered. I’ve gotten mad at the little fellows and smite them and I’ve also gotten happy with them and gave them prosperity. But in the end, I get bored and moved on. There’s the difference I reckon. Obviously, Mother Nature ( My best word for God presently ) is still around. Agnostic isn’t my word though I completely understand.

Is there a word for believing in a God but just no idea on how, who, what, when or where?
I came across theothanatist, the belief there was once a God, but now it’s gone. But that’s not quite right either.

I guess I’ll call it llcoolism, belief in a creator due to the existing world.
I'm in almost the same boat. If people want to believe in a creator that started the universe that's fine. But all signs point to natural processes since that point.

I don't think there is a word for what your trying to describe. I don't know if it's atheist or agnostic or whatever, but Ricky Gervais has a great bit that we don't have words for things like this and it's only because religions have been in power for so long that we even think about it that way. We don't have words for things that aren't. You're not an aclausian if you don't believe in Santa, abunnian if you don't think the Easter bunny is real. Yet you are branded as an atheist if you don't believe in God(s) and you get all the baggage that comes with the word.

Religious Person: There is a god.
Me: Can you prove that?
Religious Person: No, but I have faith.
Me: Then I don't believe you.
 

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Deism. Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin are two examples of deists.
I’ll take that as a great compliment.
I'm in almost the same boat. If people want to believe in a creator that started the universe that's fine. But all signs point to natural processes since that point.

I don't think there is a word for what your trying to describe. I don't know if it's atheist or agnostic or whatever, but Ricky Gervais has a great bit that we don't have words for things like this and it's only because religions have been in power for so long that we even think about it that way. We don't have words for things that aren't. You're not an aclausian if you don't believe in Santa, abunnian if you don't think the Easter bunny is real. Yet you are branded as an atheist if you don't believe in God(s) and you get all the baggage that comes with the word.

Religious Person: There is a god.
Me: Can you prove that?
Religious Person: No, but I have faith.
Me: Then I don't believe you.
Are you familiar with all of the different views on how we create our own reality? Like in physics on light, sound, taste, smell and touch are all perceived as stimuli and chemically introduced to our brains. The actual light, sound, taste, smell and touch never actually reach the brain. As well as Eastern dogma through various beliefs that our thoughts create our world.

If there’s even a remote possibility that’s true, could we extrapolate that to how we create our own deaths? In other words, could our inner thoughts make our world and our after world? Each of us being correct after death?
 

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Are you familiar with all of the different views on how we create our own reality? Like in physics on light, sound, taste, smell and touch are all perceived as stimuli and chemically introduced to our brains. The actual light, sound, taste, smell and touch never actually reach the brain. As well as Eastern dogma through various beliefs that our thoughts create our world.

If there’s even a remote possibility that’s true, could we extrapolate that to how we create our own deaths? In other words, could our inner thoughts make our world and our after world? Each of us being correct after death?

 

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I’ll take that as a great compliment.

Are you familiar with all of the different views on how we create our own reality? Like in physics on light, sound, taste, smell and touch are all perceived as stimuli and chemically introduced to our brains. The actual light, sound, taste, smell and touch never actually reach the brain. As well as Eastern dogma through various beliefs that our thoughts create our world.

If there’s even a remote possibility that’s true, could we extrapolate that to how we create our own deaths? In other words, could our inner thoughts make our world and our after world? Each of us being correct after death?
Cmon. Prove it wrong :p
Do you have faith in that?
 

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Do you have faith in that?
First person to ask me in all this time.

Firstly, Methodist. It was taught to me from birth.

Secondly, I was saved.

Thirdly, I had a serious NDE. And that experience showed me that what I was taught, wasn’t even close.

By this time, I’m in my early 20’s. The greatest way to solve this life changing scenario was to use The Scientific Method. I mean, Jesus said not to test him.

So I did. My hypothesis is obvious but any experiment will be subjective to the designer. So my results are just that and for myself only. I will say, the test was confirmed, at least for myself, that he was part of my existence. So you could say in that light, I’m Christian.

I use him as the target of my intents and gratitude but since I really don’t know his boss so well, he’s as far as I go. But it’s just me. No church. No congregation. No dogma.


So do I have faith that we create our reality? Yes

Do I have faith that the we create our next reality? No idea. Just thought it up for the first time today. But if I can make the first assumption, and I did, why not? Maybe you’re all correct in your beliefs.

And if we really are going to get stoned on this, then take it one more step. It’s better to believe in something next than to believe in nothing is next.
 
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This is a really fun conversation. I’ve never really known what to think. I’m generally a skeptic and have a distrust of the establishment. So I have a hard time taking things through pure faith. But I want to believe there is “something” next, even if I’m skeptical of the mainstream religions out there.
 

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This is a really fun conversation. I’ve never really known what to think. I’m generally a skeptic and have a distrust of the establishment. So I have a hard time taking things through pure faith. But I want to believe there is “something” next, even if I’m skeptical of the mainstream religions out there.
Have you known someone whose had a NDE?

I had one before I ever heard of one. Just thought it was my own special secret. 20 years later when it started being investigated seriously, I finally found out. Completely blown away that not only was my experience in the classic sense of the average variety but the traits and phenomena have been known and written about since the Pharos.
 
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Have you known someone whose had a NDE?

I had one before I ever heard of one. Just thought it was my own special secret. 20 years later when it started being investigated seriously, I finally found out. Completely blown away that not only was my experience in the classic sense of the average variety but the traits and phenomena have been known and written about since the Pharos.
No I don’t know anyone that experienced a NDE. I would be very interested to hear in-depth about something like that. I’ve seen people tell their stories on tv and have always found them compelling & fascinating. That is definitely something that makes me think.
 
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First person to ask me in all this time.

Firstly, Methodist. It was taught to me from birth.

Secondly, I was saved.

Thirdly, I had a serious NDE. And that experience showed me that what I was taught, wasn’t even close.

By this time, I’m in my early 20’s. The greatest way to solve this life changing scenario was to use The Scientific Method. I mean, Jesus said not to test him.

So I did. My hypothesis is obvious but any experiment will be subjective to the designer. So my results are just that and for myself only. I will say, the test was confirmed, at least for myself, that he was part of my existence. So you could say in that light, I’m Christian.

I use him as the target of my intents and gratitude but since I really don’t know his boss so well, he’s as far as I go. But it’s just me. No church. No congregation. No dogma.


So do I have faith that we create our reality? Yes

Do I have faith that the we create our next reality? No idea. Just thought it up for the first time today. But if I can make the first assumption, and I did, why not? Maybe you’re all correct in your beliefs.

And if we really are going to get stoned on this, then take it one more step. It’s better to believe in something next than to believe in nothing is next.
This is the easiest way for me to explain my faith to someone

https://youtu.be/a_-BOvWVycM
 

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BRIGHTEST FLASH EVER SEEN



The burst of gamma-rays -- the most intense form of electromagnetic radiation -- was first detected by orbiting telescopes on October 9, and its afterglow is still being watched by scientists across the world.

Astrophysicist Brendan O'Connor told AFP that gamma-ray bursts that last hundreds of seconds, as occurred on Sunday, are thought to be caused by dying massive stars, greater than 30 times bigger than our Sun.

The star explodes in a supernova, collapses into a black hole, then matter forms in a disk around the black hole, falls inside, and is spewed out in a jet of energy that travels at 99.99 percent the speed of light.

The flash released photons carrying a record 18 teraelectronvolts of energy -- that's 18 with 12 zeros behind it -- and it has impacted long wave radio communications in Earth's ionosphere.


The burst of gamma-rays -- the most intense form of electromagnetic radiation -- was first detected by orbiting telescopes on October 9, and its afterglow is still being watched by scientists across the world.

Astrophysicist Brendan O'Connor told AFP that gamma-ray bursts that last hundreds of seconds, as occurred on Sunday, are thought to be caused by dying massive stars, greater than 30 times bigger than our Sun.

The star explodes in a supernova, collapses into a black hole, then matter forms in a disk around the black hole, falls inside, and is spewed out in a jet of energy that travels at 99.99 percent the speed of light.

The flash released photons carrying a record 18 teraelectronvolts of energy -- that's 18 with 12 zeros behind it -- and it has impacted long wave radio communications in Earth's ionosphere.

"It's really breaking records, both in the amount of photons, and the energy of the photons that are reaching us," said O'Connor, who used infrared instruments on the Gemini South telescope in Chile to take fresh observations early Friday.

"Something this bright, this nearby, is really a once-in-a-century event," he added.

"Gamma-ray bursts in general release the same amount of energy that our Sun produces over its entire lifetime in the span of a few seconds -- and this event is the brightest gamma ray burst."

The gamma-ray burst, known as GRB 221009A, was first spotted by telescopes including NASA's Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope, Neil Gehrels Swift Observatory, and Wind spacecraft on Sunday morning Eastern time.

1.9 billion-year-old movie

It originated from the direction of the constellation Sagitta, and traveled an estimated 1.9 billion years to reach Earth -- less than the current distance of its starting point, because the universe is expanding.

Observing the event now is like watching a 1.9 billion-year-old recording of those events unfold before us, giving astronomers a rare opportunity to glean new insights into things like black hole formation.

"That's what makes this sort of science so addictive -- you get this adrenaline rush when these things happen," said O'Connor, who is affiliated with the University of Maryland and George Washington University.

He added that though the initial burst may have been visible to lucky amateur astronomers, it has since faded out of their view.

Over the coming weeks, he and others will continue watching for the signatures of supernovas at optical and infrared wavelengths, to confirm that their hypothesis about the origins of the flash are correct, and that the event conforms to known physics.

Unfortunately, while the initial burst may have been visible to amateur astronomers, it has since faded

Supernova explosions are also predicted to be responsible for producing heavy elements -- such as gold, platinum, uranium -- and astronomers will also be on the hunt for their signatures.

Astrophysicists have written in the past that the sheer power of gamma-ray bursts could cause extinction level events here on Earth.

But O'Connor pointed out that because the jets of energy are very tightly focused, and aren't likely to arise in our galaxy, this scenario is not something we should worry much about.

© 2022 AFP


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