The fight against (perceived) intolerance

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I will never be tolerant of people sexually transitioning their kids or allowing them to be involved in drag shows. I am also intolerant of those who are tolerant of it. It is psychological and sexual abuse IMO.
 
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So what does it boil down to?

I assume most everyone conveys a parental message to their kids that rejects, opposes and/or outright condemns the behavior associated with every item listed.

If so, why should my message to society be any different than my message to my kids? Bottom line, own your morals.


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Drugs abuse
Alcohol abuse
Non-marital sex
Multiple perversions
Pornography
Abortions
Laziness
Violence
Lack of Personal responsibility
From the top:

Not enough to count
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check - depending on how you define perversions
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no
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only when warranted
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Oh, I guess you weren't really asking, were you?
I guess your message to your kids is interesting if not downright confusing.

BTW - No across the board.


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Improving since?

There’s no way we’re ”improved” since the 50’s when my parents were raising a family.

If you don’t think the moral decay of society is the root of many of our society’s problems, I can’t help you.


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From various peaks. If you won't accept improvement and just pine for "the good old days" I can't help you either.


Bottom line, “ selective tolerance” (ie.. I’ll tolerate everything but intolerance) is the problem.


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What's your solution here? It should be okay to barge into people's bedrooms and kink shame them?

I've followed the whole French-Amari thing, and every time the post-liberals get asked for their solutions, they're either laughable (Josh Hawley should hold a hearing about Drag Queen Story Hour, mandatory ballroom dancing classes) or they boil down to "We should enforce our moral view of the world on everyone via the power of the government." I'm not really down for the latter as that's not power I want anyone to have.
Enforce? In most cases, no. But a change in the laws regarding pornography, abortions and certain drug offenses need changes.
Reject and/or speak speak out against such behaviors? Absolutely.


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Improving since?

There’s no way we’re ”improved” since the 50’s when my parents were raising a family.

If you don’t think the moral decay of society is the root of many of our society’s problems, I can’t help you.


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From various peaks. If you won't accept improvement and just pine for "the good old days" I can't help you either.


Bottom line, “ selective tolerance” (ie.. I’ll tolerate everything but intolerance) is the problem.


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What's your solution here? It should be okay to barge into people's bedrooms and kink shame them?

I've followed the whole French-Amari thing, and every time the post-liberals get asked for their solutions, they're either laughable (Josh Hawley should hold a hearing about Drag Queen Story Hour, mandatory ballroom dancing classes) or they boil down to "We should enforce our moral view of the world on everyone via the power of the government." I'm not really down for the latter as that's not power I want anyone to have.
Enforce? In most cases, no.
Reject and/or speak speak out against such behaviors? Absolutely.


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I guess your message to your kids is interesting if not downright confusing.

BTW - No across the board.


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Ha, maybe I shouldn't make light of such things and obviously what I did, mostly in my younger days is not what I'm teaching my kid.

If you made it through college with no on all of those you are not only a better person than I am, but better than pretty much anyone I've ever known.
 

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If you're concerned about immorality, in this fairy short video, this anarchist will instruct you on how to have a moral society as well as a free society. Unfortunately, with humans being humans, his vital message falls on deaf ears.

 
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I guess your message to your kids is interesting if not downright confusing.

BTW - No across the board.


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Ha, maybe I shouldn't make light of such things and obviously what I did, mostly in my younger days is not what I'm teaching my kid.

If you made it through college with no on all of those you are not only a better person than I am, but better than pretty much anyone I've ever known.
I’m glad you’re teaching your kid the right things.

Now recognizing and living what my parents taught me allows me to understand and condemn some of my behaviors earlier in life that I knew at the time were wrong.


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So what does it boil down to?

I assume most everyone conveys a parental message to their kids that rejects, opposes and/or outright condemns the behavior associated with every item listed.

If so, why should my message to society be any different than my message to my kids? Bottom line, own your morals.
I think to some extent it boils down to the way someone defines the word intolerance. There's nothing wrong disagreeing with behavior you find amoral. We all do that to some extent. But some people take intolerance much further than that. Take the Middle East for example. There are still places where you can be executed for failing to adhere to strict religious morality. This level of intolerance can be quite dangerous.

What bothers me is that some people act like you're hurting them by disagreeing with their own personal standard of morality. I shouldn't try to force my beliefs on them, and they shouldn't try to force their beliefs on me. The world would be a much better place if we just accepted the fact that we're all different. Being different doesn't have to cause division.
 
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If you're concerned about immorality, in this fairy short video, this anarchist will instruct you on how to have a moral society as well as a free society. Unfortunately, with humans being humans, his vital message falls on deaf ears.

If he's an anarchist then what do you base morals on? With no absolute truth, anyone and everyone is right no matter how much you disagree. No laws are ever true for everyone. You can't have a society like that. This means chaos reigns.

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If he's an anarchist then what do you base morals on? With no absolute truth, anyone and everyone is right no matter how much you disagree. No laws are ever true for everyone. You can't have a society like that. This means chaos reigns.

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If you bothered to gain something by listening to the fairly short video, you'd know morals are based on knowledge of and observance of Natural Law. It's how anarchy would work. Man made laws, especially ones that go against Natural Law would not be needed.

If you really want to get deep into it, he has a nearly 9 hour seminar here on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIEemKcy-4E
 

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If you bothered to gain something by listening to the fairly short video, you'd know morals are based on knowledge of and observance of Natural Law. It's how anarchy would work. Man made laws, especially ones that go against Natural Law would not be needed.

If you really want to get deep into it, he has a nearly 9 hour seminar here on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIEemKcy-4E
No. How anarchy would work is a totalitarian bully comes to dominate and become your ruler
 
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I'm not sure I necessarily believe in the concept of natural law. A year or two ago we had a thread about a remote tribe that lives on an island off the coast of India. They kill anyone that comes to their shoreline. So murder is a natural instinct to someone that hasn't been influenced by religion or society. I'm not sure that everyone is necessarily wired to be good, and understand right from wrong.
 
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If you bothered to gain something by listening to the fairly short video, you'd know morals are based on knowledge of and observance of Natural Law. It's how anarchy would work. Man made laws, especially ones that go against Natural Law would not be needed.

If you really want to get deep into it, he has a nearly 9 hour seminar here on the subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIEemKcy-4E
What's funny is if you wasted 9 hours of your life on that hoooey.