The fight against (perceived) intolerance

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CocoCincinnati

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The fight against perceived intolerance is designed to never be won....it's a campaign tool. Which is a shame because without that, we might have a shot of actually making real progress on the issue.
 
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Requires absolute intolerance.

Think about it.


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Then quit worrying about how people look, what they think or how they indulge in consensual sex as adults.
Yeah, why worry about an amoral society all in the name of tolerance? Kids and many adults don’t stand a chance.


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Jostate

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I would just prefer people not dress in spangled under things and stick their tongues down each others throats in public.

Behind closed doors you can do whatever you want (as long as no kids are involved ). I'll still judge you, but I don't want to legislate it.
 
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"Don't tread on me" & "live & let live" are good creeds to live by. I've always believed that people should be free to do whatever they choose in life as long as they aren't harming others. Morality should be a choice made by free will. It shouldn't be forced on people through legislation.
 
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Yeah, why worry about an amoral society all in the name of tolerance? Kids and many adults don’t stand a chance.


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Amoral society? As in we have an amoral POS as our CIC? Or are you talking about those darn gay people?
Let me count the ways....., society in general just doesn’t care.
Drugs abuse
Alcohol abuse
Non-marital sex
Multiple perversions
Pornography
Abortions
Laziness
Violence
Lack of Personal responsibility

You know, the things responsible parents (used to) actively and repeatedly attempt to teach against.




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"Don't tread on me" & "live & let live" are good creeds to live by. I've always believed that people should be free to do whatever they choose in life as long as they aren't harming others. Morality should be a choice made by free will. It shouldn't be forced on people through legislation.
Don’t disagree, but society facilitates and encourages amoral behavior.


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Let me count the ways....., society in general just doesn’t care.
Drugs abuse
Alcohol abuse
Non-marital sex
Multiple perversions
Pornography
Abortions
Laziness
Violence

You know, the things responsible parents (used to) actively and repeatedly attempt to teach against.




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At least as it relates to teens, drug and alcohol abuse, and sex are down. Abortions are at their lowest level since Roe v. Wade, violence is down. "Laziness" is kind of in the eye of the beholder, labor productivity is up.

Seems like things are improving on the scale you've laid out.
 
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Let me count the ways....., society in general just doesn’t care.
Drugs abuse
Alcohol abuse
Non-marital sex
Multiple perversions
Pornography
Abortions
Laziness
Violence

You know, the things responsible parents (used to) actively and repeatedly attempt to teach against.




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At least as it relates to teens, drug and alcohol abuse, and sex are down. Abortions are at their lowest level since Roe v. Wade, violence is down. "Laziness" is kind of in the eye of the beholder, labor productivity is up.

Seems like things are improving on the scale you've laid out.
If you accept “lack of means” to be the single biggest concept targeted by politicians, and therefore what often separates us, what are the situations that lead to “lack of means”?
I submit, in large part, they are the following:
- Single parent homes
- laziness facilitated by government backstops
- substance abuse

And what are the factors that lead to such situations?

Drugs abuse
Alcohol abuse
Non-marital sex
Multiple perversions
Pornography
Abortions
Laziness
Violence
Lack of personal responsibility



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Let me count the ways....., society in general just doesn’t care.
Drugs abuse
Alcohol abuse
Non-marital sex
Multiple perversions
Pornography
Abortions
Laziness
Violence

You know, the things responsible parents (used to) actively and repeatedly attempt to teach against.
Don’t disagree, but society facilitates and encourages amoral behavior.
That's an interesting discussion. For a long time I believed that people were inherently good. But in hindsight, I understand that I was wrong. Historically things like murder, rape, & cannibalism were very prevalent, and even accepted in some societies. You still see this in under developed regions throughout the world. IMO, the main reason we saw a shift away from these things was the worldwide spread of religion.

Many people are strongly influenced by religious morality, even if they aren't religious. The shift away from traditional morality we're seeing now is directly related to the decay of religion.
 
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If you accept “lack of means” to be the single biggest concept targeted by politicians, and therefore what often separates us, what are the situations that lead to “lack of means”?
I submit, in large part, they are the following:
- Single parent homes
- laziness facilitated by government backstops
- substance abuse

And what are the factors that lead to such situations?

Drugs abuse
Alcohol abuse
Non-marital sex
Multiple perversions
Pornography
Abortions
Laziness
Violence
Lack of personal responsibility



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Again, the vast majority of the statistics on all of these are improving. If these are the measures you want to use, we're becoming more moral and not less, on the whole.
 

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That's an interesting discussion. For a long time I believed that people were inherently good. But in hindsight, I understand that I was wrong. Historically things like murder, rape, & cannibalism were very prevalent, and even accepted in some societies. You still see this in under developed regions throughout the world. IMO, the main reason we saw a shift away from these things was the worldwide spread of religion.

Many people are strongly influenced by religious morality, even if they aren't religious. The shift away from traditional morality we're seeing now is directly related to the decay of religion.
If you are interested in this there is a theory of why religion is so ubiquitous in human society that is interesting:

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/628792048/creating-god
 
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If you accept “lack of means” to be the single biggest concept targeted by politicians, and therefore what often separates us, what are the situations that lead to “lack of means”?
I submit, in large part, they are the following:
- Single parent homes
- laziness facilitated by government backstops
- substance abuse

And what are the factors that lead to such situations?

Drugs abuse
Alcohol abuse
Non-marital sex
Multiple perversions
Pornography
Abortions
Laziness
Violence
Lack of personal responsibility



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Again, the vast majority of the statistics on all of these are improving. If these are the measures you want to use, we're becoming more moral and not less, on the whole.
Improving since?

There’s no way we’re ”improved” since the 50’s when my parents were raising a family.

If you don’t think the moral decay of society is the root of many of our society’s problems, I can’t help you.


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Let me count the ways....., society in general just doesn’t care.
Drugs abuse
Alcohol abuse
Non-marital sex
Multiple perversions
Pornography
Abortions
Laziness
Violence

You know, the things responsible parents (used to) actively and repeatedly attempt to teach against.
Don’t disagree, but society facilitates and encourages amoral behavior.
That's an interesting discussion. For a long time I believed that people were inherently good. But in hindsight, I understand that I was wrong. Historically things like murder, rape, & cannibalism were very prevalent, and even accepted in some societies. You still see this in under developed regions throughout the world. IMO, the main reason we saw a shift away from these things was the worldwide spread of religion.

Many people are strongly influenced by religious morality, even if they aren't religious. The shift away from traditional morality we're seeing now is directly related to the decay of religion.
Winner, winner, chicken dinner!


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Improving since?

There’s no way we’re ”improved” since the 50’s when my parents were raising a family.

If you don’t think the moral decay of society is the root of many of our society’s problems, I can’t help you.


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From various peaks. If you won't accept improvement and just pine for "the good old days" I can't help you either.


Bottom line, “ selective tolerance” (ie.. I’ll tolerate everything but intolerance) is the problem.


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What's your solution here? It should be okay to barge into people's bedrooms and kink shame them?

I've followed the whole French-Amari thing, and every time the post-liberals get asked for their solutions, they're either laughable (Josh Hawley should hold a hearing about Drag Queen Story Hour, mandatory ballroom dancing classes) or they boil down to "We should enforce our moral view of the world on everyone via the power of the government." I'm not really down for the latter as that's not power I want anyone to have.
 

Jostate

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Drugs abuse
Alcohol abuse
Non-marital sex
Multiple perversions
Pornography
Abortions
Laziness
Violence
Lack of Personal responsibility
From the top:

Not enough to count
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check - depending on how you define perversions
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no
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only when warranted
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Oh, I guess you weren't really asking, were you?