I appreciate the sincerity here. I'm still struggling to fit point 5 with the others. If this is a moral issue where the fetuses (I use the word for clarity) are babies with the same rights as infants, it would follow that they then have all of the same Constitutional protections as infants. If you're willing to be flexible on that issue about fundamental rights because it's controversial and has enormous disagreement, does that not apply to things that have been controversial throughout our history like segregation? How are those different? The legal and logical flow seems the same to me about this and segregation as it stood 60 years ago.
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I do think exceptions will be made and amendments to these laws after reviews as they are inevitably challenged in the courts and likely promptly. This is the system we have, right? I ask because I’m making an assumption that laws like ours when compared to laws like California will both be challenged and made less controversial over time. But I do understand as well that drama is going to ensue…especially when the politicians and pundits thrive off of it.
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Agree…
Yes it does…that is why I’m conflicted. To me it’s pretty cut and dry that a baby at least at a certain point should be consider a person and have all the same rights as any of us. But at the same time I’m worried about unity with our brothers and sisters on the other side of the argument. This is why I currently have such a problem with some of our extremist politicians who paint the others as evil. Are they evil? Maybe some are, but I don’t think it’s wise to paint with a broad brush like that and throw unity out the door. Once again I’m conflicted about this and the disunity these things cause while understanding it has to happen for justice to eventually be served.
Yes it does…that is why I’m conflicted. To me it’s pretty cut and dry that a baby at least at a certain point should be consider a person and have all the same rights as any of us. But at the same time I’m worried about unity with our brothers and sisters on the other side of the argument. This is why I currently have such a problem with some of our extremist politicians who paint the others as evil. Are they evil? Maybe some are, but I don’t think it’s wise to paint with a broad brush like that and throw unity out the door. Once again I’m conflicted about this and the disunity these things cause while understanding it has to happen for justice to eventually be served.
And in the meantime...
"Mam, I'm so sorry that you were raped and got pregnant, but since it's been 6wks you're gonna have to just tough it out while we let politicians hash this out in court. Could take weeks, could take months, who knows. Have a nice day though!"
You really don't see a problem here?
"Mam, I'm so sorry that you were raped and got pregnant, but since it's been 6wks you're gonna have to just tough it out while we let politicians hash this out in court. Could take weeks, could take months, who knows. Have a nice day though!"
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And in the meantime...
"Mam, I'm so sorry that you were raped and got pregnant, but since it's been 6wks you're gonna have to just tough it out while we let politicians hash this out in court. Could take weeks, could take months, who knows. Have a nice day though!"
You really don't see a problem here?
"Mam, I'm so sorry that you were raped and got pregnant, but since it's been 6wks you're gonna have to just tough it out while we let politicians hash this out in court. Could take weeks, could take months, who knows. Have a nice day though!"
You really don't see a problem here?
RIGHT On topic. Louisiana GOP members are now trying to stop their OWN bill so they can change it because they say it is was too strict and classifies all abortion as Homicide. Yet while these people piddle away over words and meaning and changing their minds and then court challenges.
Republican lawmakers in Louisiana who are anti-abortion say a proposed bill in the state that would classify abortion as murder goes too far, and they are hoping to change the bill before a vote, signaling a divide even among anti-abortion lawmakers over how extreme abortion laws should be in the future.
Republican lawmakers in Louisiana who are anti-abortion say a proposed bill in the state that would classify abortion as murder goes too far, and they are hoping to change the bill before a vote, signaling a divide even among anti-abortion lawmakers over how extreme abortion laws should be in the future.
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Slow your roll. Where did I say as you suggest that all women are pro choice?
Also, I’m not on the left and I don’t discount women who are anti abortion.
I’ve stayed out of this thread on the main topic mainly bc we are so focused on Court and the leak and the protests that we have completely lost sight that there are 600,000 or so women (some are pro choice and yes some claim to be pro life) who are faced w the most hellish decision in their life. Many are alone, abused, poor and/or undereducated. They are forgotten. And this court decision and these laws (both protecting choice and protecting life) won’t make them any less forgotten.
Also, I’m not on the left and I don’t discount women who are anti abortion.
I’ve stayed out of this thread on the main topic mainly bc we are so focused on Court and the leak and the protests that we have completely lost sight that there are 600,000 or so women (some are pro choice and yes some claim to be pro life) who are faced w the most hellish decision in their life. Many are alone, abused, poor and/or undereducated. They are forgotten. And this court decision and these laws (both protecting choice and protecting life) won’t make them any less forgotten.
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Isn't this a good thing? Louisiana was just discussed in this thread a few pages back about the possibility their laws go too far with regards to potentially banning IUDs. Maybe they can fix any potential problems with that or something else.
It does make we wonder though if a lot of state level republicans ran on a pro life platform thinking it was one thing they could promise but wouldn't have to follow through on for re-election because of Roe v Wade. Now all of a sudden there is this possibility that they will have to answer for it. They're scrambling.
It does make we wonder though if a lot of state level republicans ran on a pro life platform thinking it was one thing they could promise but wouldn't have to follow through on for re-election because of Roe v Wade. Now all of a sudden there is this possibility that they will have to answer for it. They're scrambling.
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I don't believe it is a good thing to knee jerk a law that goes way to far. Dems and GOP alike have been rightfully blasted in the recent past for doing this....Abortion is the ONE place you don't want to rush into it.
They can't introduce it, then realize you went way to far and try to beat out your own bill so you can change it and make adjustments with something like Abortion.
#1 That kind of inefficiency is one of the biggest issues our Govt has had for decades
#2 that still costs taxpayers money and now your spending your productivity reworking your own mistake
#3 I think the first draft was their "true" intentions and showed just how far they want to go with it and when they found out there was pushback they crumbled easily.
We have to keep in mind that 74 million voted for Trump and 81 million voted for Biden
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103.3 million that didn't vote. a topic like RvW could spur many of those 100million + people who don't vote most years to really get involved. I would caution the GOP to tread ahead slowly, because I don't think anyone knows where that non voting population is standing with RvW.
GOP pushes too hard on this, they might find a huge backlash from what were traditional non voters
They can't introduce it, then realize you went way to far and try to beat out your own bill so you can change it and make adjustments with something like Abortion.
#1 That kind of inefficiency is one of the biggest issues our Govt has had for decades
#2 that still costs taxpayers money and now your spending your productivity reworking your own mistake
#3 I think the first draft was their "true" intentions and showed just how far they want to go with it and when they found out there was pushback they crumbled easily.
We have to keep in mind that 74 million voted for Trump and 81 million voted for Biden
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103.3 million that didn't vote. a topic like RvW could spur many of those 100million + people who don't vote most years to really get involved. I would caution the GOP to tread ahead slowly, because I don't think anyone knows where that non voting population is standing with RvW.
GOP pushes too hard on this, they might find a huge backlash from what were traditional non voters
Oklahoma legislators didn't make any compromises. Now Oklahoma Republicans will find out from the result if they get voted out in unusual numbers in the June primary as what happened to them in the 2018 primary. Back then they got voted out due to votes against teacher pay and other issues. Getting voted out to an unusual extent will possibly act as a counter balance against further extremes, due to Roe v. Wade being overturned when they resume session in 2023.
Stitt said he will sign anything that is pro-life, so women better worry about what else extreme that may mean next year if reelected. None of his Democrat opponents have indicated they support the extreme anti-abortion bills he has signed.
Stitt said he will sign anything that is pro-life, so women better worry about what else extreme that may mean next year if reelected. None of his Democrat opponents have indicated they support the extreme anti-abortion bills he has signed.