Russia invades Ukraine

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Their nuclear forces are by far the most well funded portion of their military. The success rate for intercepting icbm's is not good. What we have is fine for NK when they have a half dozen or so. Not a conflict with a near peer nuclear force. Even a couple getting through would be catastrophic, and way more than that would.

Its a good thing you are nowhere near our decisionmakers on this, just like its good you are nowhere close to our football coaches. You're a bad ideas machine.
Nice. I thought you were just a football expert. Had no idea you were also a foreign policy and nuclear warfare expert as well. Do you also happen to be an astrophysicist, financial wizard, or really good at Magic the Gathering?

Better question; in what areas are you NOT an expert?
 

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A very interesting podcast here helping to explain the Ukraine War. Putin wouldn't have minded Ukraine joining NATO if Russia was allowed to join as well. But Russia has been denied from doing that since the 1990s. EU, too. Such a union would have had only China as the only possible major military power opposing it. But from being denied that and as a result of the Ukraine War, Russia is aligning itself with China, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Brazil.

The Progressive Commentary Hour - 09.27.22 - Progressive Radio Network (prn.live) with background on Gorbachev.
 
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A very interesting podcast here helping to explain the Ukraine War. Putin wouldn't have minded Ukraine joining NATO if Russia was allowed to join as well. But Russia has been denied from doing that since the 1990s. EU, too. Such a union would have had only China as the only possible major military power opposing it. But from being denied that and as a result of the Ukraine War, Russia is aligning itself with China, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Brazil.

The Progressive Commentary Hour - 09.27.22 - Progressive Radio Network (prn.live) with background on Gorbachev.
That's it. If we would have just allowed Russia into NATO and not cared that they attack their neighbors to take over land (like Georgia and Crimea) then I'm sure the militant dictator would have been very pleased.
 

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A very interesting podcast here helping to explain the Ukraine War. Putin wouldn't have minded Ukraine joining NATO if Russia was allowed to join as well. But Russia has been denied from doing that since the 1990s. EU, too. Such a union would have had only China as the only possible major military power opposing it. But from being denied that and as a result of the Ukraine War, Russia is aligning itself with China, India, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Brazil.

The Progressive Commentary Hour - 09.27.22 - Progressive Radio Network (prn.live) with background on Gorbachev.
The EU is not a nation and does not have a military, if the euros federalize the individual nations would be replaced by the EU Ambassador to NATO and the EU military.

Minimum Requirements to join NATO (Madrid Summit 1997)

While there is no membership checklist for interested nations, NATO has made clear that candidates for membership must meet the following criteria. Interested nations must:

Uphold democracy, including tolerance for diversity;
Be progressing toward a market economy;
Have their military forces under firm civilian control;
Be good neighbors and respect the sovereignty of other nations; and
Work toward interoperability with NATO forces.

Again, while these criteria are essential, they do not constitute a checklist leading automatically to NATO membership.

New members must be invited by a consensus of current members.

https://1997-2001.state.gov/regions/eur/fs_970815members.html
 
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The EU is not a nation and does not have a military, if the euros federalize the individual nations would be replaced by the EU Ambassador to NATO and the EU military.

Minimum Requirements to join NATO (Madrid Summit 1997)

While there is no membership checklist for interested nations, NATO has made clear that candidates for membership must meet the following criteria. Interested nations must:

Uphold democracy, including tolerance for diversity;
Be progressing toward a market economy;
Have their military forces under firm civilian control;
Be good neighbors and respect the sovereignty of other nations; and
Work toward interoperability with NATO forces.

Again, while these criteria are essential, they do not constitute a checklist leading automatically to NATO membership.

New members must be invited by a consensus of current members.

https://1997-2001.state.gov/regions/eur/fs_970815members.html
I would presume that it would wind up just like them in the UN security council: they get more power to do what they want consequence free. So, yeah, Putin would have been happy, especially if they got to join before Ukraine. The US and Europe couldn't take Ukraine's side as easily because they'd be helping someone fight a NATO country.
 

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Interesting read

https://mobile.twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1575853684852150272

As I said from day 1, the purpose of what Putin is doing in Ukraine is to throw the West off its pedestal. This isn't about NATO or Ukraine, this is the big play to replace the current world order.
interesting take.
Yea while I think that sure Putin is attempting that as a side mission, his main goal and always has been the near $14 trillion in raw resources that the donbas regions currently contains. If Ukraine were to develop that with western money, not only would Ukraine outgrow Russia within several decades, it would eliminate the need for Russian energy for the foreseeable future thus dooming Russia to a limited regional power. This war is the last gasp of a dying superpower. Started with the collapse of the soviet union and is ending with this. If Russia collapses I could see many new regions and countries formed from their carcass.

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Russia’s Fast Retreat: A Day After Putin Announces Annexation, Troops Forced Out Of Lyman

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereks...ounces-annexation-troops-forced-out-of-lyman/
They weren't just routed. All reports reveal a massacre in the eastern and northern sections of the Lyman area. The audio that came out last night of a night battle was freaking terrifying. The Ukrainians SOF are decked out in all the latest gear including night vision and they put it to use. Hundreds of Russians chased down and eliminated. Don't let the Russia MOD " retreat" fool you. It was an honest to God massacre of those LPR and Russian units.

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Yea while I think that sure Putin is attempting that as a side mission, his main goal and always has been the near $14 trillion in raw resources that the donbas regions currently contains. If Ukraine were to develop that with western money, not only would Ukraine outgrow Russia within several decades, it would eliminate the need for Russian energy for the foreseeable future thus dooming Russia to a limited regional power. This war is the last gasp of a dying superpower. Started with the collapse of the soviet union and is ending with this. If Russia collapses I could see many new regions and countries formed from their carcass.

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I'm not sure about that. Currently it must irritate Biden and NATO to no end that the Russian Ruble still hasn't become rubble. No wonder why. Some major countries, such as China and India, are paying for their Russian oil imports in Rubles. So better hope the American dollar can remain strong.

Quite unlike Ukraine, Russia is by far the largest country in the world and from being that way has huge oil and natural gas reserves yet to be exploited or discovered. But as with Ukraine, it takes billions to develop them. As a major exporter of energy, I won't be surprised if Russia can get enough income to develop more of its untapped resources. Don't underestimate what Russia can do for itself, like Napoleon and Hitler did.
 
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United Nations: India has abstained on a draft resolution tabled in the UN Security Council which condemned Russia's "illegal referenda" and annexation of four Ukrainian territories and called for an immediate cessation of violence while underlining the need to find pathways for a return to the negotiating table. The 15-nation UN Security Council on Friday voted on the draft resolution tabled by the US and Albania that condemns Russia's "organization of illegal so-called referenda in regions within Ukraine's internationally recognized borders." The resolution declares that Russia's "unlawful actions" with regards to the "illegal so-called referenda" taken on September 23 to 27 this year in parts of Ukraine's regions of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhya that are under Russia's temporary control can have "no validity" and cannot form the basis for any alteration of the status of these regions of Ukraine, including any "purported annexation" of any of these regions by Moscow. The resolution failed to get adopted as Russia vetoed it. Of the 15-nation Council, 10 nations voted for the resolution while China, Gabon, India and Brazil abstained.

Link: India Abstains In UN Vote Against Russia's "Illegal Referenda" On Ukraine (ndtv.com)

Maybe why China abstained: China Is Quietly Reselling Its Excess Russian LNG To Europe | OilPrice.com
 
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United Nations: India has abstained on a draft resolution tabled in the UN Security Council which condemned Russia's "illegal referenda" and annexation of four Ukrainian territories and called for an immediate cessation of violence while underlining the need to find pathways for a return to the negotiating table. The 15-nation UN Security Council on Friday voted on the draft resolution tabled by the US and Albania that condemns Russia's "organization of illegal so-called referenda in regions within Ukraine's internationally recognized borders." The resolution declares that Russia's "unlawful actions" with regards to the "illegal so-called referenda" taken on September 23 to 27 this year in parts of Ukraine's regions of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhya that are under Russia's temporary control can have "no validity" and cannot form the basis for any alteration of the status of these regions of Ukraine, including any "purported annexation" of any of these regions by Moscow. The resolution failed to get adopted as Russia vetoed it. Of the 15-nation Council, 10 nations voted for the resolution while China, Gabon, India and Brazil abstained.

Link: India Abstains In UN Vote Against Russia's "Illegal Referenda" On Ukraine (ndtv.com)

Maybe why China abstained: China Is Quietly Reselling Its Excess Russian LNG To Europe | OilPrice.com
Maybe someone in the energy industry can comment, but I hadn't considered the amount of money China could make as middleman for Russian LNG