Oklahoma State University hosts "Drag Queen Story Hour" for 2-year-olds

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It seems silly. Anyway, drag queens should first have their backgrounds checked for sex crimes. If clear, I don't see it as worth getting upset. Decades ago, my 5th grade teacher made me and the other boys dress in drag to put on a fashion show for the school. I would have regarded that as a lot worse thing to go through than being read a story by a drag queen.
 
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It seems silly. Anyway, drag queens should first have their backgrounds checked for sex crimes. If clear, I don't see it as worth getting upset. Decades ago, my 5th grade teacher made me and the other boys dress in drag to put on a fashion show for the school. I would have regarded that as a lot worse thing to go through than being read a story by a drag queen.
Anyone that reads to children in a public space should have their backgrounds checked for sex crimes or only if a drag queen does it?
 

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There is nothing mandatory about this event. If your first thought is that you want to stop other people from being themselves and conforming to what you think is correct, realize that there are other people out there that think how many of you present yourself is odd also. Prejudice simply isn't a healthy thing, no matter how you justify it to yourself.

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Rhetto: Drag isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. It’s just not, and that’s perfectly alright. But, I would challenge you to get to know a performer on a personal level. Behind the glitz ... we’re just like everyone else, looking for a little bit of acceptance in our own little corner of the universe.
 
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Anyone that reads to children in a public space should have their backgrounds checked for sex crimes or only if a drag queen does it?
My question is, why is this necessary? To impress 'the world' with how "progressive" Stillwater is? What are we progressing toward? Next month, should we bring in cabaret dancers to talk to 2 year olds? After that, let's introduce 1st graders to strippers. After that, porn stars can do a meet and greet with toddlers. Why?

It appears adults like yourself who want drag queens to hang out with children are getting the headlines you want. I guess it doesn't matter that these events are so unpopular that they have to turn off facebook comments when they announce these events. Can't have the local parents voicing their opinions. What would the 'world' think?
 
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Prejudice simply isn't a healthy thing, no matter how you justify it to yourself.
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You have zero prejudices. How impressive. Then I'm sure you'd be okay with bringing in Nazis to talk to children. What a great way to teach kids to be tolerant of extreme views and lifestyles, than have a group of skinheads read "Frog and Toad are Friends" to toddlers. Because this is all about tolerance, right? Being tolerant of people who you don't agree with.

Or would Nazis teaching things to highly impressionable children be worrying?

Don't forget, you have to be tolerant and accepting of all people at all times!
 
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My question is, why is this necessary? To impress 'the world' with how "progressive" Stillwater is? What are we progressing toward? Next month, should we bring in cabaret dancers to talk to 2 year olds? After that, let's introduce 1st graders to strippers. After that, porn stars can do a meet and greet with toddlers. Why?

It appears adults like yourself who want drag queens to hang out with children are getting the headlines you want. I guess it doesn't matter that these events are so unpopular that they have to turn off facebook comments when they announce these events. Can't have the local parents voicing their opinions. What would the 'world' think?
I think the two keys here are:
1) Was this required attendance? It doesn’t appear that it was.
2) Did OSU pay for the performers to read books to kids? I don’t know from the story.

Multiple different types of groups use rooms at OSU and the Student Union. I don’t think OSU should be in the business of censoring outside group meetings based on content.
 
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I think the two keys here are:
1) Was this required attendance? It doesn’t appear that it was.
2) Did OSU pay for the performers to read books to kids? I don’t know from the story.

Multiple different types of groups use rooms at OSU and the Student Union. I don’t think OSU should be in the business of censoring outside group meetings based on content.
Censorship bad, tolerance good. Who could argue with that? Well, here's the thing...

Let's say a KKK group from Georgia decides they want to go on a world tour and talk to children about their beliefs. Would you, a monument to tolerance, be okay with the KKK using OSU facilities to stage their children's event? As long as attendance wasn't 'required'. Do you think OSU should promote this event on social media? Would you click 'interested in going' because you're tolerant and support "tolerance" at every turn?

I don't think you would. And I think OSU would likely find a legal way to avoid having the KKK show up and stage story-time with Stillwater children. I'm confident OSU would avoid promoting a KKK event on facebook. And the rational majority of Stillwater citizens would quietly support OSU's decision to block (censor) an extremist organization, even though it is technically an 'intolerant' position.

The point is, the word 'tolerance' has been turned into a weapon by people who want to proselytize extreme views. The problem with that is, the opposite side of your preferred extreme will eventually use the same weaponized language.
 
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Censorship bad, tolerance good. Who could argue with that? Well, here's the thing...

Let's say a KKK group from Georgia decides they want to go on a world tour and talk to children about their beliefs. Would you, a monument to tolerance, be okay with the KKK using OSU facilities to stage their children's event? As long as attendance wasn't 'required'. Do you think OSU should promote this event on social media? Would you click 'interested in going' because you're tolerant and support "tolerance" at every turn?

I don't think you would. And I think OSU would likely find a legal way to avoid having the KKK show up and stage story-time with Stillwater children. I'm confident OSU would avoid promoting a KKK event on facebook. And the rational majority of Stillwater citizens would quietly support OSU's decision to block (censor) an extremist organization, even though it is technically an 'intolerant' position.

The point is, the word 'tolerance' has been turned into a weapon by people who want to proselytize extreme views. The problem with that is, the opposite side of your preferred extreme will eventually use the same weaponized language.
As long as OSU is not paying for it and doesn’t promote it…if someone from the Nazi Party, the Communist Party, Putin Fan Boys, the Brad Underwood is a Hero group, or the Che Guevara love group wanted to rent and use a room at the Student Union ..then I think that OSU should allow it.

Groups that utilize OSU facilities need to follow reasonable guidelines and procedures (ie no weapons, no violence, insurance, security deposit, setup and cleanup fees, etc)

Now if OSU is paying for it or promoting it — different answer.
 
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My question is, why is this necessary? To impress 'the world' with how "progressive" Stillwater is? What are we progressing toward? Next month, should we bring in cabaret dancers to talk to 2 year olds? After that, let's introduce 1st graders to strippers. After that, porn stars can do a meet and greet with toddlers. Why?

It appears adults like yourself who want drag queens to hang out with children are getting the headlines you want. I guess it doesn't matter that these events are so unpopular that they have to turn off facebook comments when they announce these events. Can't have the local parents voicing their opinions. What would the 'world' think?
What does necessity have to do with it? People trying to be themselves and be nice to kids needs to be necessary in your opinion to happen? It needs to be popular with other random people? Why?

You are allowed to voice your opinion. And "people like" me are allowed to say what we think of your opinion. I don't "want" drag queens to hang out with children. I'm just not a ninny that for some reason cares what other people do with their time. And finally, some of us went and fought for the freedoms in this country that allow people to do what they want even if some others want to shut them down due to prejudices.

Several years ago I was showing some overseas friends pics like this from The Walk.
Their responses:
"It looks like you joined a cult."
"Why would you spend time and money to do that?"

Again as I said, what seems normal to you to expose children to can seem very odd to others. What is the necessity of lining a street wearing bright orange to watch college athletes stroll down a road?

I can't understand why people can't live and let live.


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You have zero prejudices. How impressive. Then I'm sure you'd be okay with bringing in Nazis to talk to children. What a great way to teach kids to be tolerant of extreme views and lifestyles, than have a group of skinheads read "Frog and Toad are Friends" to toddlers. Because this is all about tolerance, right? Being tolerant of people who you don't agree with.

Or would Nazis teaching things to highly impressionable children be worrying?

Don't forget, you have to be tolerant and accepting of all people at all times!
You are going to have to quote where I said I have zero prejudices or admit your argument is so very weak that you have to resort to strawmen. I have prejudices. I've even mentioned them on this message board. But, I work on correcting them instead of posting hoping I can find others with the same prejudices to make me feel better about it.

At the point that drag queens are preaching hate, violence, and repression of other people your Nazi analogy would actually make a tiny bit of sense. But, being that I even quoted one saying the EXACT opposite, it simply looks like a foolish attempt to justify treating someone poorly by falsely aligning them with someone else. Putin teach you that?