NVIDIA is king again!

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This one is interesting take on 3080/3090 availability/cost. Obviously speculation, but some insiders/techgurus have pretty much confirmed this is the case.

https://www.mooreslawisdead.com/post/nvidia-s-ultimate-play

TLDR: FE models are binned and tuned for highest performance at launch. Nvidia is eating a lot of costs on the cooling solution. FE supply will be artificially low/constrained.

Then AIB makers, will have to increase price over MSRP (by way of expensive cooling solutions) in order to maintain performance with (non-available) FEs, or produce something that costs the same as FEs but performs worse.

theory being, - initial impression counts. no one reads reviews after launch. The goal is to present awesome performance/value at launch, then raise costs (ie. protect nvidia margins) later.
 

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This one is interesting take on 3080/3090 availability/cost. Obviously speculation, but some insiders/techgurus have pretty much confirmed this is the case.

https://www.mooreslawisdead.com/post/nvidia-s-ultimate-play

TLDR: FE models are binned and tuned for highest performance at launch. Nvidia is eating a lot of costs on the cooling solution. FE supply will be artificially low/constrained.

Then AIB makers, will have to increase price over MSRP (by way of expensive cooling solutions) in order to maintain performance with (non-available) FEs, or produce something that costs the same as FEs but performs worse.

theory being, - initial impression counts. no one reads reviews after launch. The goal is to present awesome performance/value at launch, then raise costs (ie. protect nvidia margins) later.
I've read availability is going to be absolute shit for awhile, so that makes sense. Let's hope Radeon does a bit better on that front.
 

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I've read availability is going to be absolute shit for awhile, so that makes sense. Let's hope Radeon does a bit better on that front.
it looks like if you want a 3080/3090 - hit nvidia up early and hard as those cards will be a good deal. after those are gone, price/performance of ampere is going to go up.
 

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I mean, this is to be expected when only 30,000 units are available worldwide at launch. I will be waiting a couple months and plan to get the new Radeon flagship card, whatever that ends up being.
 

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I mean, this is to be expected when only 30,000 units are available worldwide at launch. I will be waiting a couple months and plan to get the new Radeon flagship card, whatever that ends up being.
i dont know if i will be getting flagship, but I will be buying AMD. As I said before, FOSS linux drivers are a requirement for me. Rumors seem reasonable. Once Big Navi releases, I'm flashing my 5700 to 5700XT speeds, and handmedowning it to my linux box.
 

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i dont know if i will be getting flagship, but I will be buying AMD. As I said before, FOSS linux drivers are a requirement for me. Rumors seem reasonable. Once Big Navi releases, I'm flashing my 5700 to 5700XT speeds, and handmedowning it to my linux box.
Very nice! I have heard the 5700xt bios runs on regular 5700's just fine, so that is a super economical approach.

I haven't had a top of the line machine since the late 2000's, but with power becoming more affordable and being able to do modular upgrades, I am gonna aim high with the zen 3 and big navi.

I am thinking about a 4800x if it is 10 core, a 4900x or a 4950x if the latter isn't too crazy expensive.
 

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I recently put together a new rig with an nvidia 1660 Ti and that thing is working like a charm. Very economical. Runs much cooler than the AMD pos I had previously. I'm pretty much on the nvidia bandwagon for the rest of time.
 

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The ftw ultra is an absolute beast! Got mine today and it completely blows away my 1080 ftw. My cpu is actually bottlenecking my games alot surprisingly. You are definitely required to get at least a 3900x or better and a 9900k or better to get close to truly seeing this thing shine at 1440p or lower. Atm I have a 6700k so it kinda sucks but it's only a couple more weeks away before I can get my hands on a 5900x.

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Performance leaks are coming out, and Nvidia may not be king for long. Big Navi does seem to have a lot of rasterization muscle.

https://www.igorslab.de/en/3dmark-in-ultra-hd-benchmarks-the-rx-6800xt-without-and-with-raytracing/
Did you see the single and multicore benchmarks for the 5600x? Pretty damn impressive. Multicore even beats the 3700x despite having 2 less cores. https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryz...top-score-in-passmark-single-thread-benchmark

My next purchase is going to be a videocard so this better not be a paper launch.
 
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Did you see the single and multicore benchmarks for the 5600x? Pretty damn impressive. Multicore even beats the 3700x despite having 2 less cores. https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryz...top-score-in-passmark-single-thread-benchmark

My next purchase is going to be a videocard so this better not be a paper launch.
I went to local Microcenter today. They had signs plastered all over the exterior of the building that they had no 3080/3090 stock and will not have any for the foreseeable future. Nvidia pretty much paperlaunched this thing.
 

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I went to local Microcenter today. They had signs plastered all over the exterior of the building that they had no 3080/3090 stock and will not have any for the foreseeable future. Nvidia pretty much paperlaunched this thing.
Damn. I heard that the microcenter in my area got 20 cards at launch and have been receiving 3 per week since. Hundreds of people went when it launched and only 20 got cards.

If Radeon has the stock ready and somewhat similar performance, they are going to kill it.
 

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6900XT. looks like Nvidia may only be the king again until dec 9. (with very limited availability).

Definitely interested in 6800XT.
Yeah, the 6900xt appears to beat the 3090 hands down. the 6800xt is what I am aiming for also, it is on par or slightly beats the 3080 for $649, plus the new sync tech for 5000 series processors could give it another 13% performance.

As long as this is more than a paper launch, it is awesome.