Matt Gaetz under investigation for sex trafficking

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bleedinorange

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How has Cheney violated her responsibilities to her party or human decency?
One can assume in today's political climate it is expected that members reflect the party line. Look at the dems for reference. The human decency comment was directed at Gaetz. Hopefully you agree with my assessment of his failings in that area.
 

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Aside from not towing the party line nothing as far as I'm concerned. She's no fool and knew what would happen. If one wants to be controversial, one must accept the consequences that come with that decision. So, let her suffer the slings and arrows of her peers.
How is saying Biden won the election controversial?

Do you believe the election was stolen?
 

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One can assume in today's political climate it is expected that members reflect the party line. Look at the dems for reference. The human decency comment was directed at Gaetz. Hopefully you agree with my assessment of his failings in that area.
Yeah. I think he is a scumbag.

I completely disagree that she or anyone else has a responsibility to their party to toe the party line. I also disagree that one can look to the dems for reference. There is significant dissent and disagreement within the Democratic party between the progressive democratic socialist wing of the Democrats and the more moderate, establishment Democratic wing. I don't see anyone calling for removal of anyone else for disagreeing with Biden as Cheney has disagreed with Trump's claims regarding the election.

Besides, even if it is "expected" by the party that it's members will walk lockstep with the "party line", IMO that is an unreasonable expectation not a responsibility for it's individual members to go against their conscience in favor of toeing the party line. An elected official's first and primary....and arguably only....responsibility is to his or her constituents that elected him or her to represent them.

I do agree that the party can attempt to enforce whatever expectations they may have for their members...whether or not they are reasonable. I just don't think Cheney has any responsibility to toe any party line. In fact, I think it would be irresponsible of her to toe the party line in situations where it would violate her personal conscience or her responsibilities to her constituents. Maybe that is what you meant too, I dunno.
 

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This is what makes this issue so much fun for me. Mark my words, Gaetz has a bright future in today's republican party. The only thing that matters is that he will do anything and everything for Trump. They are going to run off Romney, Cheney, and anyone else that dares be honest and decent in favor of guys like this. So any of you that vote republican and have the audacity to wag your fingers at me can GFYS to quote my friend @NotOnTV , wherever the heck he's gone off to.
As a Republican, I think:

1) Gaetz needs to be removed from the Judiciary Committee immediately, removed from office in due time (I'd rather he resign immediately), and jailed if convicted. I have little/no doubt he's guilty, but he's entitled to defend himself in court.
2) I don't like Romney because I think he's a weasel and will do whatever he believes is politically expedient (not unlike most in Congress, but more obvious about it).
3) I don't have an opinion on Cheney, haven't paid much attention to her. Her not supporting Trump isn't an issue for me.
4) I don't care who marries who or what goes on behind closed doors or how individuals identify themselves. I would rather the government stayed out of it.
5) Trump is not a good human being. I wouldn't support him for dog catcher. That said, he had many policies I liked. A closed border with managed immigration. A strong defense but fewer wars. Pro-American stances on trade (in general, not every move he made).
6) I support the police but also support the Chauvin conviction. I know there is racism in America, but don't believe it's 'systemic' within our government or bureaucracies ('systemic' certainly being open to interpretation).
7) lots of other stuff

Despite what you think, I believe there are many more 'moderate' Republicans than extremists, and I believe the same about Democrats. Nobody talks about us because we're not newsworthy.
 
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As a Republican, I think:

1) Gaetz needs to be removed from the Judiciary Committee immediately, removed from office in due time (I'd rather he resign immediately), and jailed if convicted. I have little/no doubt he's guilty, but he's entitled to defend himself in court.
2) I don't like Romney because I think he's a weasel and will do whatever he believes is politically expedient (not unlike most in Congress, but more obvious about it).
3) I don't have an opinion on Cheney, haven't paid much attention to her. Her not supporting Trump isn't an issue for me.
4) I don't care who marries who or what goes on behind closed doors or how individuals identify themselves. I would rather the government stayed out of it.
5) Trump is not a good human being. I wouldn't support him for dog catcher. That said, he had many policies I liked. A closed border with managed immigration. A strong defense but fewer wars. Pro-American stances on trade (in general, not every move he made).
6) I support the police but also support the Chauvin conviction. I know there is racism in America, but don't believe it's 'systemic' within our government or bureaucracies ('systemic' certainly being open to interpretation).
7) lots of other stuff

Despite what you think, I believe there are many more 'moderate' Republicans than extremists, and I believe the same about Democrats. Nobody talks about us because we're not newsworthy.
Agree with all your point except one about Romney. I might not always agree with him, but I respect him.
 

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Yeah. I think he is a scumbag.

I completely disagree that she or anyone else has a responsibility to their party to toe the party line. I also disagree that one can look to the dems for reference. There is significant dissent and disagreement within the Democratic party between the progressive democratic socialist wing of the Democrats and the more moderate, establishment Democratic wing. I don't see anyone calling for removal of anyone else for disagreeing with Biden as Cheney has disagreed with Trump's claims regarding the election.

Besides, even if it is "expected" by the party that it's members will walk lockstep with the "party line", IMO that is an unreasonable expectation not a responsibility for it's individual members to go against their conscience in favor of toeing the party line. An elected official's first and primary....and arguably only....responsibility is to his or her constituents that elected him or her to represent them.
I don't disagree with anything you said.
Like I said earlier, she well knew where her comments would lead.
So if it's ok for you to say that, then why isn't it for a congresswoman to say the same?
Duh. Read the post where I responded directly to this question. I said; : "Aside from not towing the party line nothing as far as I'm concerned". Can't make it any clearer than that.
 
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As a Republican, I think:

1) Gaetz needs to be removed from the Judiciary Committee immediately, removed from office in due time (I'd rather he resign immediately), and jailed if convicted. I have little/no doubt he's guilty, but he's entitled to defend himself in court.
2) I don't like Romney because I think he's a weasel and will do whatever he believes is politically expedient (not unlike most in Congress, but more obvious about it).
3) I don't have an opinion on Cheney, haven't paid much attention to her. Her not supporting Trump isn't an issue for me.
4) I don't care who marries who or what goes on behind closed doors or how individuals identify themselves. I would rather the government stayed out of it.
5) Trump is not a good human being. I wouldn't support him for dog catcher. That said, he had many policies I liked. A closed border with managed immigration. A strong defense but fewer wars. Pro-American stances on trade (in general, not every move he made).
6) I support the police but also support the Chauvin conviction. I know there is racism in America, but don't believe it's 'systemic' within our government or bureaucracies ('systemic' certainly being open to interpretation).
7) lots of other stuff

Despite what you think, I believe there are many more 'moderate' Republicans than extremists, and I believe the same about Democrats. Nobody talks about us because we're not newsworthy.
No argument about any of the above, except how are his recent decisions politically expedient? He just got booed by his own party for twice voting to impeach a president of his own party. He knows he's getting primaried in the next election because of it and hasn't backed down. He seemed much more that way in 2012, but seems clearly focused on legacy and history of late.
 

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As a Republican, I think:

1) Gaetz needs to be removed from the Judiciary Committee immediately, removed from office in due time (I'd rather he resign immediately), and jailed if convicted. I have little/no doubt he's guilty, but he's entitled to defend himself in court.
2) I don't like Romney because I think he's a weasel and will do whatever he believes is politically expedient (not unlike most in Congress, but more obvious about it).
3) I don't have an opinion on Cheney, haven't paid much attention to her. Her not supporting Trump isn't an issue for me.
4) I don't care who marries who or what goes on behind closed doors or how individuals identify themselves. I would rather the government stayed out of it.
5) Trump is not a good human being. I wouldn't support him for dog catcher. That said, he had many policies I liked. A closed border with managed immigration. A strong defense but fewer wars. Pro-American stances on trade (in general, not every move he made).
6) I support the police but also support the Chauvin conviction. I know there is racism in America, but don't believe it's 'systemic' within our government or bureaucracies ('systemic' certainly being open to interpretation).
7) lots of other stuff

Despite what you think, I believe there are many more 'moderate' Republicans than extremists, and I believe the same about Democrats. Nobody talks about us because we're not newsworthy.
https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/1389711566409539584?s=19
 

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No argument about any of the above, except how are his recent decisions politically expedient? He just got booed by his own party for twice voting to impeach a president of his own party. He knows he's getting primaried in the next election because of it and hasn't backed down. He seemed much more that way in 2012, but seems clearly focused on legacy and history of late.
I don't totally disagree, but I view his recent decisions as expedient in that they align with the party that won the presidency and with the MSM, therefore "the majority." It absolutely does open him up to getting primaried, but we shall see. Maybe 2% chance it happens, but I could see him switching parties before then.
 
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I don't totally disagree, but I view his recent decisions as expedient in that they align with the party that won the presidency and with the MSM, therefore "the majority." It absolutely does open him up to getting primaried, but we shall see. Maybe 2% chance it happens, but I could see him switching parties before then.
Unless I missed something where Biden or any other Democrat won statewide office in Utah, it is not politically expedient to do what he's doing there. Maybe if he were in a swing state, but his greatest threat to losing an election is from another Republican and will be for the foreseeable future.