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I don't believe I expressed a preference. The libertarian in me wants to know what a truly libertarian system would look like because I don't see one anywhere in the developed world. The pragmatist sees that our system isn't working well. The question is why and how do you fix it? We do have socialized medicine for those over 65, meaning we socialize the most expensive age range, and getting rid of medicare is political suicide because it's so popular. That all brings me back to I don't know.
I'm not sure I buy that logic though. Just because all socialist countries did it, that means it's bad or socialist? They all had/have heavy investments in the military and intelligence networks. In this case, I'm not sure it's a defining feature. That's also the point of distinguishing soviet style socialism from social democracies. One clearly failed and even China abandoned large parts of it (but not Venezuela and for the most part, not Cuba). Social democracies seem to be doing well and have a bunch of different versions. I'm not saying German style social democracy would work here, but it does seem to work for them.
I'm not sure I buy that logic though. Just because all socialist countries did it, that means it's bad or socialist? They all had/have heavy investments in the military and intelligence networks. In this case, I'm not sure it's a defining feature. That's also the point of distinguishing soviet style socialism from social democracies. One clearly failed and even China abandoned large parts of it (but not Venezuela and for the most part, not Cuba). Social democracies seem to be doing well and have a bunch of different versions. I'm not saying German style social democracy would work here, but it does seem to work for them.
No, we really don’t have socialized medicine for over 65.
With socialized medicine you get only the treatment that is allowed, at the time it can be undertaken. We have a choice to go outside Medicare for the treatment, Dr and time of our choice.
Regardless, I’ll put you down as a Social Democrat.
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With socialized medicine you get only the treatment that is allowed, at the time it can be undertaken. We have a choice to go outside Medicare for the treatment, Dr and time of our choice.
Regardless, I’ll put you down as a Social Democrat.
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Pretty sure I was explicit in saying I don't know, but if it makes you feel better to gloss over nuance and put me in a box.
You seem to think there's one version and have some misconceptions. There are so many versions with Germany looking more like us, but with a vastly expanded medicaid, sort of. They aren't really single payer. The UK is more single payer, but also allows private insurance. Australia also has a version of single payer, but also with some private insurance. Each system allows you to choose a provider even when you're on the single payer version, basically like medicare or an enhanced medicaid. There's so much blind hatred toward any (more) government involvement that it seems like people miss all the nuance of how different systems operate in other developed nations.
You seem to think there's one version and have some misconceptions. There are so many versions with Germany looking more like us, but with a vastly expanded medicaid, sort of. They aren't really single payer. The UK is more single payer, but also allows private insurance. Australia also has a version of single payer, but also with some private insurance. Each system allows you to choose a provider even when you're on the single payer version, basically like medicare or an enhanced medicaid. There's so much blind hatred toward any (more) government involvement that it seems like people miss all the nuance of how different systems operate in other developed nations.
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The single-payer model mentioned most often by the left is the Canadian model. My understanding is there you have no option to seek treatment on your own $$. You get in line and get what’s prescribed. And given the class-warfare the likes of AOC champions, I have no doubt the model the left would pursue would provide no treatment advantage for those that could afford it.
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From the data I've seen, I don't think that's accurate either. Primary care doesn't really operate like that.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2835156/#:~:text=4-,Canada,physicians a patient can see.
You might be thinking of delays in getting specialty care. Those wait times are longer, but really only for non emergent care.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7292524/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6117805/
Also, Canada allows private health insurance. So, it doesn't fully operate the way most conservatives or liberals think it does.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2835156/#:~:text=4-,Canada,physicians a patient can see.
You might be thinking of delays in getting specialty care. Those wait times are longer, but really only for non emergent care.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7292524/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6117805/
Also, Canada allows private health insurance. So, it doesn't fully operate the way most conservatives or liberals think it does.
My Canadian buddies tell me you simply cannot go find a doctor on your own nickel. You’re stuck with public healthcare. I guess they could be wrong, but with dual citizenship, they opt for US insurance and care.
Edit: I got clarification. You can purchase private insurance in Canada for dental, prescriptions and items not covered under the public plan such as private rooms and certain highly specialized services. Private insurance is not available for basic services.
This explains my buddies needs for knee surgery and cancer treatment - public option only while you wait in line.
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Edit: I got clarification. You can purchase private insurance in Canada for dental, prescriptions and items not covered under the public plan such as private rooms and certain highly specialized services. Private insurance is not available for basic services.
This explains my buddies needs for knee surgery and cancer treatment - public option only while you wait in line.
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Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene says she reported Jimmy Kimmel's comments to Capitol Police
U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., said she filed comments from late-night host Jimmy Kimmel to the U.S. Capitol Police that she believes are a “threat of violence."
Kimmel, the host of "Jimmy Kimmel Live,” joked this week that Greene was “especially upset with the three Republican senators who said they’ll vote yes on Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, who’s nominated for the Supreme Court.”
“She tweeted ‘Murkowski, Collins, and Romney are pro-pedophile,’” Kimmel said.
“Wow, where is Will Smith when you really need him?” Kimmel said, appearing to reference Will Smith slapping Chris Rock onstage at the Oscars last month.
Greene shared a clip of the comments on Twitter, adding “this threat of violence against me by @jimmykimmel has been filed with the @CapitolPolice."
threat of violence...lol...if she gets re-elected, I'll be shocked...no, disappointed...no, not surprised (which leads me to my next point; we need to have people pass a literacy test and a mental health test and a 'common sense' test in order to vote...that's all.
U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., said she filed comments from late-night host Jimmy Kimmel to the U.S. Capitol Police that she believes are a “threat of violence."
Kimmel, the host of "Jimmy Kimmel Live,” joked this week that Greene was “especially upset with the three Republican senators who said they’ll vote yes on Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, who’s nominated for the Supreme Court.”
“She tweeted ‘Murkowski, Collins, and Romney are pro-pedophile,’” Kimmel said.
“Wow, where is Will Smith when you really need him?” Kimmel said, appearing to reference Will Smith slapping Chris Rock onstage at the Oscars last month.
Greene shared a clip of the comments on Twitter, adding “this threat of violence against me by @jimmykimmel has been filed with the @CapitolPolice."
threat of violence...lol...if she gets re-elected, I'll be shocked...no, disappointed...no, not surprised (which leads me to my next point; we need to have people pass a literacy test and a mental health test and a 'common sense' test in order to vote...that's all.
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Here's the thing, I used to fall completely in the camp of our healthcare system, h*ll I work in it...However, healthcare cost for early retirement is going to drive many people my age overseas for their retirement. You can buy nearly a full coverage private designer plan for a family of four in Portugal for $1,500 A YEAR! This is in addition to the public healthcare which is totally free, no copays or nothing. On top of that in many other countries you don't need a doctors prescription (Spain, Greece, Ecuador, MANY others) to go get your normal maintenance drugs and things like antibiotics. Plus when you go buy these drugs they are close to free in comparison to the "good ole" USA. We have a MAJOR problem with massive amounts of greed within our system (drug companies, insurance companies, hospital administrators) and it's making Americans leave. It's going to have to be fixed sooner or later. Btw, most international rating organizations rate our system about 33rd (see my last link below) in the world, Portugal is rated 13th. Certainly your point about major surgery could be accurate, I need to study that more...however, bottom line, we have a cost problem...it's very financially unhealthy for any American wishing to leave the workforce early and stay here. Overseas, however, if you pick the right country your healthcare cost will be a 1/4 or what it will be here in retirement, plus you can also get equal or better care depending on the area you pick to move and where you are moving from. Our system from a cost comparison standpoint is very broken and is a loser when comparing it to many many others.
Ranking Best Health Care Systems in the World by Country (internationalinsurance.com)
Best Healthcare in the World 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com)
Health Care Index by Country 2022 (numbeo.com)
Ranking Best Health Care Systems in the World by Country (internationalinsurance.com)
Best Healthcare in the World 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com)
Health Care Index by Country 2022 (numbeo.com)
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I haven't really dug into her actual full length quotes for context. I don't really care about her. To be honest, my life has been pretty busy the last 3 weeks to have time for it.
And funny you call me a trumpster. I've specifically said I liked his policies, but he needed to shut his mouth more and just do the job. As for 2024, I've also said, he needs to back away and let someone else take over.
So much for a trumpster.
Sorry I don't have time in my day to read 5 international news sites on every subject and watch hours of CNN and others, and STILL have time for children, personal life, and work. So funny how once you label someone you can't ever seen to understand that they just believe different than you for a different reason. It's either insults about pigeons, or they aren't intelligent and informed.
Have a blessed Sunday.
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And funny you call me a trumpster. I've specifically said I liked his policies, but he needed to shut his mouth more and just do the job. As for 2024, I've also said, he needs to back away and let someone else take over.
So much for a trumpster.
Sorry I don't have time in my day to read 5 international news sites on every subject and watch hours of CNN and others, and STILL have time for children, personal life, and work. So funny how once you label someone you can't ever seen to understand that they just believe different than you for a different reason. It's either insults about pigeons, or they aren't intelligent and informed.
Have a blessed Sunday.
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If you had any credibility before this, it’s gone now. If you cannot condemn MTG for all the conspiratorial nonsense and flat-out lies she has told, then you’re more gullible and partisan than I gave you credit for. She is ridiculous.
She’s been doing this crap much longer than 3 weeks, so busyness is a poor excuse. She ran on Qanon conspiracies to get elected. This isn’t new.
(cue up the whataboutisms…)
She’s been doing this crap much longer than 3 weeks, so busyness is a poor excuse. She ran on Qanon conspiracies to get elected. This isn’t new.
(cue up the whataboutisms…)
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