Kasey Dunn

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He was hurt two full games and part of a third game. By the way, we won all three with Illingworth. When Sanders exited in Norman for Illingworth moved the team until we turtled up and Sanders came back in. I know there is a fascination with the Run/Pass qb, but it's not always pretty.
You’d better go look at that game again. Shane moved the team on one drive- all the rest were CRAP ! ! !
 

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You’d better go look at that game again. Shane moved the team on one drive- all the rest were CRAP ! ! !
He gets a little more credit than he deserves. He stepped in against Tulsa last year and that was awesome. He was decent against WVU and wrecked a Kansas team that I could have thrown for 300 and a score against. But for the cards we have been dealt this year this is Sanders team. A wrecking crew of an offensive line and full health at WR it's arguable that the QB who could sit in the pocket and pick defenses apart is the better option. But right now we need a guy who is mobile and trusts his first or second reads.


Don't get me wrong. I think we will be fine when it's his time but this year isn't his time.
 

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That exciting trend began with Weeden during the 2nd half of the Colorado game. It was not Gundy preference initially.

It gotten better when Dana came. Inherited and improvised by Todd Monken thru Weeden. Try it with Lunt, but continued with Chelf and Mason and Cornelius. It went dead with Spencer Sanders cause SS cannot read and anticipate plays nor sling the football all over the field.

This SS offense is the original Gundy Ball. It can be interesting with a dominant running game, stud receivers and most importantly a mobile QB that can read defense, good scrambler and only to run when really needed or on broken plays.
So have we completely lost our identity then? I didn't mind the ZR years either or Fedora's offenses once he got rolling. The glaring differences in style between SS and the rest of the QB's on the roster really make one scratch their head. Who are we trying to be? Does it change the type of OL you recruit? I would think so. How does one go out and hire the up and coming OC's that have proven success and then tell them we expect them to learn what we do and adapt to us. Why not pick a style of play, go find the best OC's and personnel to fit that style and stick to it?

I maintain Gundy smashed it out of the park when he saw the opportunity and need to maximize our athletes in space and minimize our inability to consistently recruit enough play makers up front to compete with the big boys.

Are we asking SS to do more than he can or are we limiting him by trying to get him to do things Weeden and Mason could do that he can't? He took over up on Corvalis and while it was a crap team we were playing, it was exciting. He's got more experience now but I don't see that spark he had then. I also don't see that same spark out of Gundy.

Appreciate the dialogue.
 
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So have we completely lost our identity then? I didn't mind the ZR years either or Fedora's offenses once he got rolling. The glaring differences in style between SS and the rest of the QB's on the roster really make one scratch their head. Who are we trying to be? Does it change the type of OL you recruit? I would think so. How does one go out and hire the up and coming OC's that have proven success and then tell them we expect them to learn what we do and adapt to us. Why not pick a style of play, go find the best OC's and personnel to fit that style and stick to it?

I maintain Gundy smashed it out of the park when he saw the opportunity and need to maximize our athletes in space and minimize our inability to consistently recruit enough play makers up front to compete with the big boys.

Are we asking SS to do more than he can or are we limiting him by trying to get him to do things Weeden and Mason could do that he can't? He took over up on Corvalis and while it was a crap team we were playing, it was exciting. He's got more experience now but I don't see that spark he had then. I also don't see that same spark out of Gundy.

Appreciate the dialogue.
If a P5 qb can't or you don't trust him to throw balls over the middle then a change needs to be made...simple as that. Our offense is so easy to defend when you don't have to worry about anything between the numbers or a TE.
 

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That exciting trend began with Weeden during the 2nd half of the Colorado game. It was not Gundy preference initially.

It gotten better when Dana came. Inherited and improvised by Todd Monken thru Weeden. Try it with Lunt, but continued with Chelf and Mason and Cornelius. It went dead with Spencer Sanders cause SS cannot read and anticipate plays nor sling the football all over the field.

This SS offense is the original Gundy Ball. It can be interesting with a dominant running game, stud receivers and most importantly a mobile QB that can read defense, good scrambler and only to run when really needed or on broken plays.
There’s a lot of context missing here. The biggest being that Big12 defenses as a whole didn’t evolve until about 2018 or 2019 to really take away the passing attacks that we saw with Weeden, Rudolph, and Cornelius. Scoring has gone down across the league in the last couple of years…not just at OSU.

Holgorsen, Monken, and Yurcich for the most part all had the advantage of their evolved spread offenses, RPOs, etc that made reads extremely simple for the QBs going against defenses that, for the most part, just didn’t match up well schematically or in personnel.

And this year, specifically, Gundy is trying to make it work with several receivers injured in the two deep. SS is still producing, though. Over 12 yards per completion against Boise State with an adjusted 70% completion percentage.
 

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There’s a lot of context missing here. The biggest being that Big12 defenses as a whole didn’t evolve until about 2018 or 2019 to really take away the passing attacks that we saw with Weeden, Rudolph, and Cornelius. Scoring has gone down across the league in the last couple of years…not just at OSU.

Holgorsen, Monken, and Yurcich for the most part all had the advantage of their evolved spread offenses, RPOs, etc that made reads extremely simple for the QBs going against defenses that, for the most part, just didn’t match up well schematically or in personnel.

And this year, specifically, Gundy is trying to make it work with several receivers injured in the two deep. SS is still producing, though. Over 12 yards per completion against Boise State with an adjusted 70% completion percentage.
Yeah, well I have an adjusted IQ of 200.
 

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I think their situation was more desperate than ours, which usually happens when you hold your opponent to fewer points than you score.

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So we should keep plays in our hip pocket because they trailed by a point?
 
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There’s a lot of context missing here. The biggest being that Big12 defenses as a whole didn’t evolve until about 2018 or 2019 to really take away the passing attacks that we saw with Weeden, Rudolph, and Cornelius. Scoring has gone down across the league in the last couple of years…not just at OSU.

Holgorsen, Monken, and Yurcich for the most part all had the advantage of their evolved spread offenses, RPOs, etc that made reads extremely simple for the QBs going against defenses that, for the most part, just didn’t match up well schematically or in personnel.

And this year, specifically, Gundy is trying to make it work with several receivers injured in the two deep. SS is still producing, though. Over 12 yards per completion against Boise State with an adjusted 70% completion percentage.
I think there is some truth that the D has catch-up to the O. Everybody seem to somewhat adopt and adapt the Matt Campbell 3 set LBs to off-set the spread and the RPO. But the quality of QBs in the league is not like what it was.

Not too sure, it is like chicken and egg stuff.

Don't know but we moved up and down the field on Matt Campbell 2016, 17 and '18 team. Scored 38, 49 and 42 points respectively?
 

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I think there is some truth that the D has catch-up to the O. Everybody seem to somewhat adopt and adapt the Matt Campbell 3 set LBs to off-set the spread and the RPO. But the quality of QBs in the league is not like what it was.

Not too sure, it is like chicken and egg stuff.

Don't know but we moved up and down the field on Matt Campbell 2016, 17 and '18 team. Scored 38, 49 and 42 points respectively?
See, I don’t know if the quality of the QBs is less or if QB stats from 2010-2017ish were inflated because their job was easier then than the job is now.

Probably some of both.
 

Cimarron

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Damn straight.

Those are the "only if we're behind" plays.
You’re up 1 point and then suddenly you find yourself down by two and the clock shows 0:01 left in the game……. Pull it out of your hip pocket now you say?
 

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Non sequitur. We've lost many 40+ point shootouts. We've never lost a game where we held the opponent to 20 or less, even against top 25 teams. If the other team can't score they can't beat you.
If you can’t score you can’t beat them either. The fact is a 1 point lead with 1/2 the game left is never safe regardless of the history.
 
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Non sequitur. We've lost many 40+ point shootouts. We've never lost a game where we held the opponent to 20 or less, even against top 25 teams. If the other team can't score they can't beat you.
If you can’t score you can’t beat then either. The fact is a 1 point lead with 1/2 the game left is never safe regardless of the history.
Still undefeated when holding opponents to 20 or less.

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