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The best part is that you used Robert Duvall. Even @Cimarron’s own avatar doesn’t believe him! :lol::lol::lol:
Cim has always been about as far right as you can get, but looks like he dove fully down the rabbit hole.

Not that there's any point in trying to apply logic to any of these conspiracy theories--but like what would the point even be here?? The FBI hatched a secret plot to kidnap a governor and blame it on a handful of white supremacists and then just... never do anything else with it or mention it again?? Are we actually living in a reality created by George R. R. Martin and this was just another one of his side plots he started in Chapter 3 then completely forgot about by Chapter 6??

That's the most maddening/terrifying thing about all these conspiracy theorists. How easy it is to pull a cloak over someone's reality when they so desperately want the cloak to be pulled. Their entire world has been boiled down to: Trump Good. Democrats Bad. They can't lose sight of that reality even for a second, and so they end up gulping down these absolutely insane theories as if it's the oxygen they require to keep them alive.
 

Cimarron

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Cim has always been about as far right as you can get, but looks like he dove fully down the rabbit hole.

Not that there's any point in trying to apply logic to any of these conspiracy theories--but like what would the point even be here?? The FBI hatched a secret plot to kidnap a governor and blame it on a handful of white supremacists and then just... never do anything else with it or mention it again?? Are we actually living in a reality created by George R. R. Martin and this was just another one of his side plots he started in Chapter 3 then completely forgot about by Chapter 6??

That's the most maddening/terrifying thing about all these conspiracy theorists. How easy it is to pull a cloak over someone's reality when they so desperately want the cloak to be pulled. Their entire world has been boiled down to: Trump Good. Democrats Bad. They can't lose sight of that reality even for a second, and so they end up gulping down these absolutely insane theories as if it's the oxygen they require to keep them alive.
Trump and Russia!!! And you're lecturing others about conspiracy theories? Seriously.

Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and others in the government were a part of those lies to the American public. I suppose you still believe those lies?

This is the worst President in our history! He hasn't done a thing right!

People voted for this fool in part because he had a grand plan for Covid. It's a disaster and the only thing working in his favor he can thank Trump for.
 

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Cim has always been about as far right as you can get, but looks like he dove fully down the rabbit hole.

Not that there's any point in trying to apply logic to any of these conspiracy theories--but like what would the point even be here?? The FBI hatched a secret plot to kidnap a governor and blame it on a handful of white supremacists and then just... never do anything else with it or mention it again?? Are we actually living in a reality created by George R. R. Martin and this was just another one of his side plots he started in Chapter 3 then completely forgot about by Chapter 6??

That's the most maddening/terrifying thing about all these conspiracy theorists. How easy it is to pull a cloak over someone's reality when they so desperately want the cloak to be pulled. Their entire world has been boiled down to: Trump Good. Democrats Bad. They can't lose sight of that reality even for a second, and so they end up gulping down these absolutely insane theories as if it's the oxygen they require to keep them alive.
You've already forgotten 2016 and conspiracies and elections? Hillary? Stacey Abrams ring a bell?
 
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Trump and Russia!!! And you're lecturing others about conspiracy theories? Seriously.

Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and others in the government were a part of those lies to the American public. I suppose you still believe those lies?

This is the worst President in our history! He hasn't done a thing right!

People voted for this fool in part because he had a grand plan for Covid. It's a disaster and the only thing working in his favor he can thank Trump for.
Go sit back at the kiddies table, the adults are trying to talk in this thread. We're all aware you're too far gone to save as you just keep littering your conspiracy theories around here.

Oh and try reading a government document instead of Gateway Pundit for a change. There were like a dozen government agencies that all concluded Russia supported Trump in 2016. They also supported far left candidates. They also supported Black Lives Matter. Their goal is division. "You can't defeat the giant but you can make him fight himself."
 

Cimarron

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Oh and try reading a government document instead of Gateway Pundit for a change. There were like a dozen government agencies that all concluded Russia supported Trump in 2016. They also supported far left candidates. They also supported Black Lives Matter. Their goal is division. "You can't defeat the giant but you can make him fight himself."
The biggest surprise in this statement? You think it's something new.
 

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Go sit back at the kiddies table, the adults are trying to talk in this thread. We're all aware you're too far gone to save as you just keep littering your conspiracy theories around here.

Oh and try reading a government document instead of Gateway Pundit for a change. There were like a dozen government agencies that all concluded Russia supported Trump in 2016. They also supported far left candidates. They also supported Black Lives Matter. Their goal is division. "You can't defeat the giant but you can make him fight himself."
Hadn't checked in on this thread in a while but it's good to see where the goalposts have moved on the Russia thing. Let's check in with our friends across the pond.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59168626

A Russian analyst who worked on a dossier that made unsubstantiated claims linking Donald Trump to the Kremlin has been arrested in the US.
The Department of Justice charged Igor Danchenko, 43, with lying to the FBI.
He was detained as part of an inquiry into the origins of baseless claims that Mr Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election.


The so-called Steele Dossier was used by the FBI to obtain surveillance warrants on a top Trump aide.
The document was held up by Democrats to paint Mr Trump as a Russian puppet, a narrative amplified in a feedback loop by most US media for much of the president's four years in office.


On Jan 6 a bunch of unhinged idiots hoped to overturn the democratic process. The first year of Trump's term a bunch of Democrats in congress tried to do the same thing. I would expect more from members of congress. They were shocked and embarrassed they lost to a narcissistic jack wagon and the press was embarrassed they got it so wrong. I'm not ready to let them off the hook for that.
 

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Hmmm.


“But a closer look into the foiled kidnapping by BuzzFeed revealed that some of the informants the government used appeared to play a far greater role in the plot than had been previously reported. In fact, the informants had a hand in nearly every aspect of the twisted machination, including its inception.

New information on the extent of the FBI's involvement has raised questions as to whether there would have even been a conspiracy to take down the Democratic governor without their help.

One Wisconsin-based government informant, for example, helped organize a series of cross-country meetings with extremists. Those meetings allegedly laid the groundwork for the multi-part plot. That same informant also paid for hotel rooms and food as an incentive to get people to come, Buzzfeed reported.”


Believe it or not, that is from yahoo news. From this summer.

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-informants-had-bigger-role-213400243.html


Is it such a stretch to suggest LE wouldn’t infiltrate a group that appears to nefarious? Is it possible that group think, mob mentality, doesn’t encourage more weak minded people to do things they normally wouldn’t?

I personally don’t know any of these people. They definitely could’ve cooked it up entirely on their own. But the number of undercover investigators in this mission involved more men than there were original members of the group. I could see open ended lies egging each other on. Haven’t we all read about the lone bomber that makes a friend and soon they are pushing 9 on the phone to set off a fake bomb?
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna33009656

That viral video of the old guy trying to fire up the crowd and tell them instructions on where to go and what to do in numerous locations is very suspect as well as the crowd chanting “Fed” repeatedly back at him.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1451272067173736455?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1451272067173736455%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2Fforum1%2Fmessage4938763%2Fpg1



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Here is the compilation.
 

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That viral video of the old guy trying to fire up the crowd and tell them instructions on where to go and what to do in numerous locations is very suspect as well as the crowd chanting “Fed” repeatedly back at him.
The one who testified before a congressional committee that he is not FBI or an informant for them? I think that’s been addressed.
 
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Hmmm.


“But a closer look into the foiled kidnapping by BuzzFeed revealed that some of the informants the government used appeared to play a far greater role in the plot than had been previously reported. In fact, the informants had a hand in nearly every aspect of the twisted machination, including its inception.

New information on the extent of the FBI's involvement has raised questions as to whether there would have even been a conspiracy to take down the Democratic governor without their help.

One Wisconsin-based government informant, for example, helped organize a series of cross-country meetings with extremists. Those meetings allegedly laid the groundwork for the multi-part plot. That same informant also paid for hotel rooms and food as an incentive to get people to come, Buzzfeed reported.”


Believe it or not, that is from yahoo news. From this summer.

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-informants-had-bigger-role-213400243.html


Is it such a stretch to suggest LE wouldn’t infiltrate a group that appears to nefarious? Is it possible that group think, mob mentality, doesn’t encourage more weak minded people to do things they normally wouldn’t?

I personally don’t know any of these people. They definitely could’ve cooked it up entirely on their own. But the number of undercover investigators in this mission involved more men than there were original members of the group. I could see open ended lies egging each other on. Haven’t we all read about the lone bomber that makes a friend and soon they are pushing 9 on the phone to set off a fake bomb?
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna33009656

That viral video of the old guy trying to fire up the crowd and tell them instructions on where to go and what to do in numerous locations is very suspect as well as the crowd chanting “Fed” repeatedly back at him.
"Claiming government entrapment is a common strategy in domestic terrorism cases — in part because it is among the only available defenses if prosecutors have evidence from extensive surveillance. Such defenses usually fail, and most domestic terrorism defendants are convicted."

Seems like a pretty important part of the Buzzfeed article. They're drawing from the defense's claims of entrapment. If you read quotes from those involved in the plot (not the informants) they're pretty gung ho on the kidnapping.

Barry Croft, Jr-
He also discussed creating distractions to divert police in order to “grab a f*cking governor,” mentioning Gretchen Whitmer by name. “I’m going to do some of the most nasty, disgusting things that you have ever read about in the history of your life,” he said.

Adam Fox-
Laughing, Fox said his dream was to “have the governor hogtied down on a table” for public display, the way DEA agents spread seized guns and drugs across a table like trophies after a big bust. “We take the building and then take f*cking hostages,” Fox told Dan. “It’s f*cking wartime.”

Pete Musico-
Conversation instead turned to kidnapping, a prospect favored by Musico, who also suggested they knock on the doors of police or politicians late at night in order to drag them off and kill them. He added that anyone who didn’t feel comfortable attacking politicians should leave the group.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...retchen-whitmer-fbi-informant?utm_source=digg
 
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from my republican sources (friends and family); the first conspiracy theory said it was Antifa that started this insurrection, then it was the crisis actors conspiracy, then it was the false flag conspiracy that the FBI orchestrated it...I'm not sure which one to believe...
 

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from my republican sources (friends and family); the first conspiracy theory said it was Antifa that started this insurrection, then it was the crisis actors conspiracy, then it was the false flag conspiracy that the FBI orchestrated it...I'm not sure which one to believe...
I had this discussion with some of the goofballs on the survivalistboards. The all admit the girl who was shot was Maga all the way. As I pointed out, for their conspiracy to work, the capitol police had to pick the one MAGA person in the whole antifa crowd to shoot. What are the odds?

Now I will say it wouldn't surprise me a bit if sprinkled in were just some career protestors who try to get involved any chance they can but didn't really like Trump, but that was clearly a maga crowd.
 

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"Claiming government entrapment is a common strategy in domestic terrorism cases — in part because it is among the only available defenses if prosecutors have evidence from extensive surveillance. Such defenses usually fail, and most domestic terrorism defendants are convicted."

Seems like a pretty important part of the Buzzfeed article. They're drawing from the defense's claims of entrapment. If you read quotes from those involved in the plot (not the informants) they're pretty gung ho on the kidnapping.

Barry Croft, Jr-
He also discussed creating distractions to divert police in order to “grab a f*cking governor,” mentioning Gretchen Whitmer by name. “I’m going to do some of the most nasty, disgusting things that you have ever read about in the history of your life,” he said.

Adam Fox-
Laughing, Fox said his dream was to “have the governor hogtied down on a table” for public display, the way DEA agents spread seized guns and drugs across a table like trophies after a big bust. “We take the building and then take f*cking hostages,” Fox told Dan. “It’s f*cking wartime.”

Pete Musico-
Conversation instead turned to kidnapping, a prospect favored by Musico, who also suggested they knock on the doors of police or politicians late at night in order to drag them off and kill them. He added that anyone who didn’t feel comfortable attacking politicians should leave the group.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...retchen-whitmer-fbi-informant?utm_source=digg
Of course prosecutors disagree. More than likely these people would do harm. More than likely. Is it right, however, to not only send in spies into the group but spies that are allowed to “play along”?

Furthermore, if they acknowledged this plan with the kidnapping plot. They acknowledged it with lone bombers. Why would it be such a stretch to say there were none in such a large well known event?
 
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Of course prosecutors disagree. More than likely these people would do harm. More than likely. Is it right, however, to not only send in spies into the group but spies that are allowed to “play along”?

Furthermore, if they acknowledged this plan with the kidnapping plot. They acknowledged it with lone bombers. Why would it be such a stretch to say there were none in such a large well known event?
Because Cim and the Fox News crowd aren't trying to say there were FBI informants among those who stormed the Capitol. They're trying to say the FBI was responsible for January 6th.