Israel conducts air strikes in Gaza

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“Israel has the right to defend itself.”
These are the words we hear from both Democratic and Republican administrations whenever the government of Israel, with its enormous military power, responds to rocket attacks from Gaza.
Let’s be clear. No one is arguing that Israel, or any government, does not have the right to self-defense or to protect its people. So why are these words repeated year after year, war after war? And why is the question almost never asked: “What are the rights of the Palestinian people?”
And why do we seem to take notice of the violence in Israel and Palestine only when rockets are falling on Israel?
In this moment of crisis, the United States should be urging an immediate cease-fire. We should also understand that, while Hamas firing rockets into Israeli communities is absolutely unacceptable, today’s conflict did not begin with those rockets.

Palestinian families in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah have been living under the threat of eviction for many years, navigating a legal system designed to facilitate their forced displacement. And over the past weeks, extremist settlers have intensified their efforts to evict them.
And, tragically, those evictions are just one part of a broader system of political and economic oppression. For years we have seen a deepening Israeli occupation in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and a continuing blockade on Gaza that make life increasingly intolerable for Palestinians. In Gaza, which has about two million inhabitants, 70 percent of young people are unemployed and have little hope for the future.

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Further, we have seen Benjamin Netanyahu’s government work to marginalize and demonize Palestinian citizens of Israel, pursue settlement policies designed to foreclose the possibility of a two-state solution and pass laws that entrench systemic inequality between Jewish and Palestinian citizens of Israel.
None of this excuses the attacks by Hamas, which were an attempt to exploit the unrest in Jerusalem, or the failures of the corrupt and ineffective Palestinian Authority, which recently postponed long-overdue elections. But the fact of the matter is that Israel remains the one sovereign authority in the land of Israel and Palestine, and rather than preparing for peace and justice, it has been entrenching its unequal and undemocratic control.
Over more than a decade of his right-wing rule in Israel, Mr. Netanyahu has cultivated an increasingly intolerant and authoritarian type of racist nationalism. In his frantic effort to stay in power and avoid prosecution for corruption, Mr. Netanyahu has legitimized these forces, including Itamar Ben Gvir and his extremist Jewish Power party, by bringing them into the government. It is shocking and saddening that racist mobs that attack Palestinians on the streets of Jerusalem now have representation in its Knesset.
These dangerous trends are not unique to Israel. Around the world, in Europe, in Asia, in South America and here in the United States, we have seen the rise of similar authoritarian nationalist movements. These movements exploit ethnic and racial hatreds in order to build power for a corrupt few rather than prosperity, justice and peace for the many. For the last four years, these movements had a friend in the White House.
At the same time, we are seeing the rise of a new generation of activists who want to build societies based on human needs and political equality. We saw these activists in American streets last summer in the wake of the murder of George Floyd. We see them in Israel. We see them in the Palestinian territories.
With a new president, the United States now has the opportunity to develop a new approach to the world — one based on justice and democracy. Whether it is helping poor countries get the vaccines they need, leading the world to combat climate change or fighting for democracy and human rights around the globe, the United States must lead by promoting cooperation over conflict.
In the Middle East, where we provide nearly $4 billion a year in aid to Israel, we can no longer be apologists for the right-wing Netanyahu government and its undemocratic and racist behavior. We must change course and adopt an evenhanded approach, one that upholds and strengthens international law regarding the protection of civilians, as well as existing U.S. law holding that the provision of U.S. military aid must not enable human rights abuses.
This approach must recognize that Israel has the absolute right to live in peace and security, but so do the Palestinians. I strongly believe that the United States has a major role to play in helping Israelis and Palestinians to build that future. But if the United States is going to be a credible voice on human rights on the global stage, we must uphold international standards of human rights consistently, even when it’s politically difficult. We must recognize that Palestinian rights matter. Palestinian lives matter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/opinion/bernie-sanders-israel-palestine-gaza.html
 

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This is applicable to more than this conflict.
When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
Golda Meir, A Land of Our Own: An Oral Autobiography
 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-disinformation.html


Media around the world are mad because they released the story of Israel’s start of ground operations. Israel told them they were starting and they believed it without any verification. Media spread the story. Hamas goes to their attack tunnels. The tunnels are turned into mass graves. Shouldn’t the media be mad at themselves for falling for such a 18th century trick?
 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-disinformation.html


Media around the world are mad because they released the story of Israel’s start of ground operations. Israel told them they were starting and they believed it without any verification. Media spread the story. Hamas goes to their attack tunnels. The tunnels are turned into mass graves. Shouldn’t the media be mad at themselves for falling for such a 18th century trick?
There are no winners here. But it looks like Israel was playing chess while Hamas was playing checkers.

The moral of this story is don't mess with Israel when it comes to war.
 

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Let me fix that for you. The moral of the story is that Israel without the support of US taxpayer funded billions of dollars, combined with US as an ally, would get their butt kicked easily. Israel is nothing without our money and US' military.
This all boils down to Israel not taking crap off an Iranian funded terrorist organization. It's amazing that this stuff goes on after the creepster and cackler get in office.
 

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Let me fix that for you. The moral of the story is that Israel without the support of US taxpayer funded billions of dollars, combined with US as an ally, would get their butt kicked easily. Israel is nothing without our money and US' military.
I’d agree with that if we didn’t do it for any other country. I believe that if we packed up and pulled out military wise, they’d probably be able to stand on their own. Mainly since the lead the rest of the world in several key aerospace technologies. So maybe it is time.

I’d also agree that the US was the sole veto in the UN against a cease fire. The only humor I saw in that was the effect it had on the party members who are actually in control. You can see why the world really hates us. The American people can claim peace all they want but it always comes down to what the party wants. Act big in the press and say peace peace peace but it’s actually bomb bomb bomb. This time, it’s solely on the Dems. Turns out, DJT somehow kept the fires tamed. Who knew?
 

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https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/isr...hamas-in-ap-office-tower-officials-say-668303

Story about IDF talking with Biden admin before the bombing of the media building. Proof offered that Hamas was using it as a shield. The AP itself is incensed at this barbaric attack that’s obviously an attack on the media so the world doesn’t know the truth.

Now if the AP members looked out their windows ( which I got to believe reporters would do in a war conflict ) and they see a rocket launcher next to their building firing, they would normally protest. Or flee. It’s considered a war crime to fire artillery next to civilian structures. Full well knowing that modern militaries can target a launch site in seconds. They didn’t flee. They didn’t even protest. They were there intentionally. Just like many other organizations. Knowing their presence causes a hesitation from return fire. This story is now that the BIDEN administration gave the go ahead to hit that building.
 

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Seems to me, somebody got caught trying to have it both ways. On one hand trying to say you’re an impartial observer getting information out to the world. On the other, you’re an active participant in an armed conflict. Extremely lucky that Israel does roof knocks. I wouldn’t be so nice.
 
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Let me fix that for you. The moral of the story is that Israel without the support of US taxpayer funded billions of dollars, combined with US as an ally, would get their butt kicked easily. Israel is nothing without our money and US' military.
Israelis invented the UZI which was the most produced/sold gun for decades. Still used, they also developed others since including the Galil which makes most top-10 lists and the TAVOR which is one of the premier "bullpup" style assault rifles, also on most top-10 lists. They do not use US personal arms at all, relying on their own designs as well as several FN products from Belgium.

They rolled out the Merkava main battle tank about 15 years ago which makes everyone's top 10 MBT list. Iran for instance took old Russian T-90 tanks and dropped on a new turret. Russians are even moving away from the T-90 with their newest offering, the T-14 Armata.

They have developed their own shoulder-launched missile systems, their own laser-guided bombs, ground-to-ground, ground-to-air, air-to-air and air-to-ground rockets, littoral combat ships that fully armed are faster than most recreational boats in the US. They have their own satellites including the capability to launch them, UAVs and the ubiquitous Iron Shield. You do not F with Israel unless you are into Pyrrhric victories.

Outside of aircraft, of which Israel is a contributor to the F-35 program along with dozens of other countries, Israel gets very little of its arms from the US.