Impeachment or...CIA Coup?

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The bigger problem is not losing Ds it’s the fact that the biggest haul for Ds in the 1/4 is $100MM less than Trump. That’s hard to make up once they get to the end of summer. The real danger for Rs is if Trump resigns and all that cash is lost.
Sorry he will not resign. Too big of a ego. He will fight until the fight is over.
 
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Ok genius, riddle me this.
If the "memo" as you call it is not an accurate reflection of Trump's conversation with the President of Ukraine, why is Schiff now saying he does not need the whistleblower when he has the memo?
And if the "memo" is the only documented version of the call, what do you ever hope to learn or accomplish by claiming it is not accurate?
Also, while you're at it, why are the Ds emphatic Trump broke the law in his call while the DOJ determined long ago there were no laws broken in the conversation between Trunp and Zelensky?
Ok I’ll slow it down for you. The Trump WH labeled that document a Memorandum on the top of the effin page. Not me. Trump’s own people. 2nd read the bottom of the 1st page. The footnote says again it’s a Memorandum and not verbatim. ITS NOT THE ACTUAL WORDS FROM THE CALL. 3rd the memo that was released only reads for 10 minutes while the actual call lasted for 30 minutes. While the Ukr Pres does speak English it is being reported that a translator was used but that doesn’t account for 20 minutes

I think Schiff has misplayed this a few times and at the end of the day am still out on the strategy of not hearing from the WB. This plus the lack of leaks from those testifying to date make me think they are hearing what they need and don’t think they need the WB to testify.

And there’s no way a Billy Barr DoJ is going against DoJ guidelines and charging a sitting POTUS. Hell Barr’s DoJ has been arguing in court that you can’t even investigate one.

In the end the impeachment charges will not just be from this WB. I think they start w Obstruction of Congress. Bring in what they find from these depositions. Possibly the obstruction of Justice from Mueller and if the 2 House Committees are fortunate they get his taxes/financial records sometime this Spring and then I bet he resigns.
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You can make up a scenario (with no facts) to fit any argument. Wild ass conjecture. Of course that kinda describes House Dems and this whole deal, so it kinda fits for you, huh?

I’d love to see Trump removed so we can get a better GOP in the office. But I kinda want the impeachment thingy to fail miserably just to laugh at knuckleheads like you.

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Sorry he will not resign. Too big of a ego. He will fight until the fight is over.
I keep thinking the ego too but a couple of things make me think otherwise. 1st he has a history of settling. He fights until he exhausts all remedies and then settles/files bankruptcy. Not saying that’s a bad thing it’s just what he has done.

And 2nd he’s smart enough to know that in the end if it looks like he loses an election (recession all but assures that) or loses his $ then he will cut bait. Ego aside.
 
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You can make up a scenario (with no facts) to fit any argument. Wild ass conjecture. Of course that kinda describes House Dems and this whole deal, so it kinda fits for you, huh?

I’d love to see Trump removed so we can get a better GOP in the office. But I kinda want the impeachment thingy to fail miserably just to laugh at knuckleheads like you.

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What did I make up? Go read what the WH released.
 
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Lol
You can make up a scenario (with no facts) to fit any argument. Wild ass conjecture. Of course that kinda describes House Dems and this whole deal, so it kinda fits for you, huh?

I’d love to see Trump removed so we can get a better GOP in the office. But I kinda want the impeachment thingy to fail miserably just to laugh at knuckleheads like you.

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What did I make up? Go read what the WH released.
You’re completely making up the idea the transcript does not accurately reflect the conversation. Schiff doesn’t even believe that or he’d have the whistleblower and the transcribers testify. Read the transcript? Yeah I read it. What’s your point?


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You’re completely making up the idea the transcript does not accurately reflect the conversation. Schiff doesn’t even believe that or he’d have the whistleblower and the transcribers testify. Read the transcript? Yeah I read it. What’s your point?


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Doesn’t matter how many times you type or say it, it is not the transcript of the call. It is a legal CYA that the WH calls a memo and says is not word for word. The footnote that Trump’s people wrote say that the memo was taken from notes and recollections and It even says “A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record.”

They are telling you on page 1 that if the actual transcript ever gets out and there are conflicts between the actual and the memo that they told us it could contain inaccuracies and 1 of the reasons for that is someone’s recollection after the fact maybe wasn’t clear.

And are you really that dense to believe for one second that if Schiff subpoenaed the actual transcribers to testify under oath that Trump would let them? If Trump’s team for 1 second thought he had the upper hand with the actual transcript they would have released that by now. They tried to Bill Barr it w the memo and get out in front.
 
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You’re completely making up the idea the transcript does not accurately reflect the conversation. Schiff doesn’t even believe that or he’d have the whistleblower and the transcribers testify. Read the transcript? Yeah I read it. What’s your point?


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Doesn’t matter how many times you type or say it, it is not the transcript of the call. It is a legal CYA that the WH calls a memo and says is not word for word. The footnote that Trump’s people wrote say that the memo was taken from notes and recollections and It even says “A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record.”

They are telling you on page 1 that if the actual transcript ever gets out and there are conflicts between the actual and the memo that they told us it could contain inaccuracies and 1 of the reasons for that is someone’s recollection after the fact maybe wasn’t clear.

And are you really that dense to believe for one second that if Schiff subpoenaed the actual transcribers to testify under oath that Trump would let them? If Trump’s team for 1 second thought he had the upper hand with the actual transcript they would have released that by now. They tried to Bill Barr it w the memo and get out in front.
Is this Adam Schiff? Because you make stuff up just like him.

1. The transcribers are not Trumps people. They are career NSC staffers not hired or appointed by Trump.
2. The factors affecting accuracy are stated to be telecommunication issues or variations in accent or interpretation. Nothing about recollection as a reason for inaccuracies. Using multiple transcribers significantly reduces the possibility of inaccuracies.
3. Give me a break. Schiff subpoenas everything, even attorney-client privileged documents which he knows he has zero chance of getting, even in a court battle.
4. Memcons ( memorandums of conversations) have been utilized as the official record for decades.
5. Help me out. Has there been a first-hand listener that disputes the content of the memo? Or are you just making up your claim it’s inaccurate?


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Is this Adam Schiff? Because you make stuff up just like him.

1. The transcribers are not Trumps people. They are career NSC staffers not hired or appointed by Trump.
2. The factors affecting accuracy are stated to be telecommunication issues or variations in accent or interpretation. Nothing about recollection as a reason for inaccuracies. Using multiple transcribers significantly reduces the possibility of inaccuracies.
3. Give me a break. Schiff subpoenas everything, even attorney-client privileged documents which he knows he has zero chance of getting, even in a court battle.
4. Memcons ( memorandums of conversations) have been utilized as the official record for decades.
5. Help me out. Has there been a first-hand listener that disputes the content of the memo? Or are you just making up your claim it’s inaccurate?


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Has anyone stated one way or the other if someone was transcribing the call? Generally curios, hadn't seen anyone discuss it.
 
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Is this Adam Schiff? Because you make stuff up just like him.

1. The transcribers are not Trumps people. They are career NSC staffers not hired or appointed by Trump.
2. The factors affecting accuracy are stated to be telecommunication issues or variations in accent or interpretation. Nothing about recollection as a reason for inaccuracies. Using multiple transcribers significantly reduces the possibility of inaccuracies.
3. Give me a break. Schiff subpoenas everything, even attorney-client privileged documents which he knows he has zero chance of getting, even in a court battle.
4. Memcons ( memorandums of conversations) have been utilized as the official record for decades.
5. Help me out. Has there been a first-hand listener that disputes the content of the memo? Or are you just making up your claim it’s inaccurate?


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Has anyone stated one way or the other if someone was transcribing the call? Generally curios, hadn't seen anyone discuss it.
They quit recording calls after Nixon. As I understand it, all calls are now transcribed by at minimum 2 NSC staffers as they occur. To help insure accuracy, the transcribers then compare their transcriptions to create the final version which is then reviewed for further accuracy by Situation Room Duty Officers (listeners), and then finally in certain circumstances is further reviewed by other listeners for final editing and approval.

A materially inaccurate transcription (memcon) is highly unlikely as it would likely require a massive conspiracy amongst all transcribers, situation room personnel, other listeners (in this case interpreters, State Dept officials, NSA personnel, and multiple CIA personnel) The President and in some circumstances the other party to the call and their respective listeners.

Hackman is just making stuff up, just like his idol, Adam Schiff.


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Is this Adam Schiff? Because you make stuff up just like him.

1. The transcribers are not Trumps people. They are career NSC staffers not hired or appointed by Trump.
2. The factors affecting accuracy are stated to be telecommunication issues or variations in accent or interpretation. Nothing about recollection as a reason for inaccuracies. Using multiple transcribers significantly reduces the possibility of inaccuracies.
3. Give me a break. Schiff subpoenas everything, even attorney-client privileged documents which he knows he has zero chance of getting, even in a court battle.
4. Memcons ( memorandums of conversations) have been utilized as the official record for decades.
5. Help me out. Has there been a first-hand listener that disputes the content of the memo? Or are you just making up your claim it’s inaccurate?


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Has anyone stated one way or the other if someone was transcribing the call? Generally curios, hadn't seen anyone discuss it.
Someone is ALWAYS transcribing an official presidential call. And NSA and others are listening in as well.

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Is this Adam Schiff? Because you make stuff up just like him.

1. The transcribers are not Trumps people. They are career NSC staffers not hired or appointed by Trump.
2. The factors affecting accuracy are stated to be telecommunication issues or variations in accent or interpretation. Nothing about recollection as a reason for inaccuracies. Using multiple transcribers significantly reduces the possibility of inaccuracies.
3. Give me a break. Schiff subpoenas everything, even attorney-client privileged documents which he knows he has zero chance of getting, even in a court battle.
4. Memcons ( memorandums of conversations) have been utilized as the official record for decades.
5. Help me out. Has there been a first-hand listener that disputes the content of the memo? Or are you just making up your claim it’s inaccurate?


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You are getting closer. It clearly says a number of factors can influence the accuracy of the record including ....That memo is one giant CYA attempt.

Nowhere does it say it’s limited to the reasons you state. Go ahead and keep your head up your ass if you think this call happened the way Trump says it did.
 
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Is this Adam Schiff? Because you make stuff up just like him.

1. The transcribers are not Trumps people. They are career NSC staffers not hired or appointed by Trump.
2. The factors affecting accuracy are stated to be telecommunication issues or variations in accent or interpretation. Nothing about recollection as a reason for inaccuracies. Using multiple transcribers significantly reduces the possibility of inaccuracies.
3. Give me a break. Schiff subpoenas everything, even attorney-client privileged documents which he knows he has zero chance of getting, even in a court battle.
4. Memcons ( memorandums of conversations) have been utilized as the official record for decades.
5. Help me out. Has there been a first-hand listener that disputes the content of the memo? Or are you just making up your claim it’s inaccurate?


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You are getting closer. It clearly says a number of factors can influence the accuracy of the record including ....That memo is one giant CYA attempt.

Nowhere does it say it’s limited to the reasons you state. Go ahead and keep your head up your ass if you think this call happened the way Trump says it did.
“A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections, and variations in accent and/or interpretation.” Since multiple people are transcribing real time, I don’t think recollection is an issue.
But in your world, I guess the phase of the moon can affect accuracy.

Regardless, give me one single FACT that even suggests the memo is inaccurate. Yeah, you can’t. Thus you’re entire position is yet another made-up story and the Dems current wet dream.


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“A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections, and variations in accent and/or interpretation.” Since multiple people are transcribing real time, I don’t think recollection is an issue.
But in your world, I guess the phase of the moon can affect accuracy.

Regardless, give me one single FACT that even suggests the memo is inaccurate. Yeah, you can’t. Thus you’re entire position is yet another made-up story and the Dems current wet dream.


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Why do you think they added that footnote w the language they used. Recollection is used as the “get my ass out of trouble card” and the fact they put that and made sure it’s clear as day that the memo is not the actual transcript and not verbatim. Sure there will be some that nitpick words and phrases but the use of the word recollection is the key.

You are right nothing we’ve heard/seen contradicts the fact the WB was right and the memo lays out an impeachable offense. What we have seen so far lays that out and there have been no contradictions to the memo.

There should then be no problem w letting us see everyone that was listening to the call. Letting them testify under oath. And letting us see the actual transcript.
 
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You are right nothing we’ve heard/seen contradicts the fact the WB was right and the memo lays out an impeachable offense. What we have seen so far lays that out and there have been no contradictions to the memo.

There should then be no problem w letting us see everyone that was listening to the call. Letting them testify under oath. And letting us see the actual transcript.
Okay Adam, there you go again misrepresenting what someone (me) says. BTW, the whistleblower provided no facts (hearsay is not a fact) other than his/her use of previously published press reports.
Give us one FACT the memo was inaccurate.
Give us the sections of the memo verbatim that lays out an impeachable offense.
I have no problem letting all the listeners testify, but apparently Mr. Schiff does. Your argument should be with him.
 
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Why do you think they added that footnote w the language they used. Recollection is used as the “get my ass out of trouble card” and the fact they put that and made sure it’s clear as day that the memo is not the actual transcript and not verbatim. Sure there will be some that nitpick words and phrases but the use of the word recollection is the key.

You are right nothing we’ve heard/seen contradicts the fact the WB was right and the memo lays out an impeachable offense. What we have seen so far lays that out and there have been no contradictions to the memo.

There should then be no problem w letting us see everyone that was listening to the call. Letting them testify under oath. And letting us see the actual transcript.
Everyone knows and acknowledges the memo is not verbatim. The footnote correctly explains the complete accuracy of the memo can be affected by bad transmission and interpretation. Nobody is betting their career on the "cell signal" or their understanding of a foreign person's ability to accurately convey a thought in a manner understood by everyone.
So now your position is the transcribers and their supervisor(s) all recalled the same materially inaccurate substance of the call? And that's reason to impeach the President?
 
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Everyone knows and acknowledges the memo is not verbatim. The footnote correctly explains the complete accuracy of the memo can be affected by bad transmission and interpretation. Nobody is betting their career on the "cell signal" or their understanding of a foreign person's ability to accurately convey a thought in a manner understood by everyone.
So now your position is the transcribers and their supervisor(s) all recalled the same materially inaccurate substance of the call? And that's reason to impeach the President?
So you finally acknowledge it’s not the transcript and it’s not verbatim and it can be inaccurate. Keep feeding the hamster and you will eventually see that yes while the memo correctly states it’s accuracy can be influenced by the factors you mention it is not a self limiting document in that regard. It’s good lawyering.

And I’m not calling into question anything regarding the transcribers and neither should anyone be basing a defense off of the transcribers because we haven’t seen what they transcribed.

It’s funny that Trumpers bring up this deep state stuff and needing to bring it to the light of day when isn’t that 1 of the things that is exactly what trump is accused of in regards to Ukraine? Also where are all those indictments we were promised a month or more ago that were days away? Deep state exposed my ass.
 
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So you finally acknowledge it’s not the transcript and it’s not verbatim and it can be inaccurate. Keep feeding the hamster and you will eventually see that yes while the memo correctly states it’s accuracy can be influenced by the factors you mention it is not a self limiting document in that regard. It’s good lawyering.

And I’m not calling into question anything regarding the transcribers and neither should anyone be basing a defense off of the transcribers because we haven’t seen what they transcribed.

It’s funny that Trumpers bring up this deep state stuff and needing to bring it to the light of day when isn’t that 1 of the things that is exactly what trump is accused of in regards to Ukraine? Also where are all those indictments we were promised a month or more ago that were days away? Deep state exposed my ass.
Yet you're calling into question the MATERIAL accuracy of the memo, while maintaining the transcribers did nothing wrong. Are you saying the transcript is materially inaccurate by simple bad recollection? In other words, the transcribers and their supervisor(s) all recalled the same materially inaccurate substance of the call? Stay focused and answer a question since heretofore you have all the answers.

Remember, you told me I have my head up my ass because I believe it is accurate.
 

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Let’s not forget the obstruction charges spelled out in the Mueller report either. Or campaign finance violations via Stormy and McDougal. Impeachment is the only solution, and the sooner the better.