If Football Is Cancelled

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I love to scuba dive and it has risks.
R0=0

My good friend loves to rock climb and it has risks.
R0=0

People BASE jump and love it and it has risks.
R0=0

Playing football has injury risks and yet millions still love to play.
R0=0

"College Football players, if season is canceled, will go to parties, bars, workout in public gyms instead of being in a controlled practice with their teammates every day. The exposure for many may well increase."
A perfect example of sofa stuffing.

How many times will this happen in a bar?
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Dr. Cameron Wolfe, a Duke infectious disease specialist.

"You can't tell me that running onto a football field is supposed to be a zero-risk environment," Wolfe continued. "Look at all of the regular sporting injuries that we accept as a certain level of risk as part and parcel of football. Now the reality is that we have to accept a little bit of COVID risk to be a part of that."

https://apple.news/AY10iUn5uS5Oclw0U_aGW3g

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I don't necessarily agree with everything I've read of @RxCowboy , particularly in the politics section of this forum, but he has by far proclaimed logic and reason throughout this thread.

I'm going to be quite blunt, yet this is not targeted toward any particular person or people. Nor am I judging anyone.. for I don't know any of you in real life. It is quite astonishing to see full grown adults acting like, well, crybabies because the season is in real jeopardy of not being played. Under the current circumstances the world finds itself in, and how people still aren't taking it seriously... collegiate sports is in no way, shape or form a requirement that must be, for the sake of entertainment.

How do people still not understand how viruses work, propagate, infect others, etc? The ONLY WAY viruses stop being a threat, is when people understand their "freedoms" are not under threat because of some sort of conspiracy theory propagated, say, by Dems, as many Republicans hilariously suggest, and start taking social distancing seriously. Covid will NOT go away until fools start acting responsibly. And my goodness, proclaiming the football season should be played, presenting no danger, is the epitome of foolishness.

No one likes how much things have changed.. and that's the thing. Most people can't handle a temporary change of behavior...and in this instance, a temporary change of behavior is a necessity to rid of a virus that far too many people are not taking seriously.

Let's act like mature adults, instead of throwing temper tantrums about the dire situation facing most people of the world, particularly in the US. There's a reason why the US is experiencing a full-steam ahead propagation of covid, with no end in sight.. because of irresponsible, selfish people.
The part that is reckless about your post is when you say “collegiate sports is in no way, shape or form a requirement that must be, for the sake of entertainment.”

“For the sake of entertainment” not only ignores, but tries to sweep under the rug, the major financial impact on universities, the players, and associated businesses. Some, in the words of the great Joe Exotic, will not be able to financially recover from this.

So now one might say. That financial ramifications is no reason to risk someone’s life. The medical community is at odds with that as well.
Dr. Scott Atlas:

We have to become rational here,” he said. “The risk for people that age is less than seasonal influenza. I mean, you have to really look at the data ...You can't say it's all about the science and then act contrary to science.”

“If people are afraid or if they have comorbidities and are afraid, I'm sure it's ok that they can opt out,” he said. “But there's no reason to shut down out of fear here."

Just another...

Dr. Wolfe, an infectious disease specialist from Duke university believes with the proper protocols and procedures that they can safely play football in the fall.

People are charged up about rights because of the political warfare going on in our country. It’s no wonder it would also bleed into someone feeling that a person should be able to decide on the acceptable risk for them as an individual given all information we have.
 
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Honest question to the @snuffy and @RxCowboy and all the people that want football canceled:

If the Big12 plays football in the fall, will you watch? Will you be entertained?

If it comes to the Big12, as @RxCowboy put it, “putting a gun to an athlete’s head for entertainment.” Because if you feel it is that imminent, I would hope that you have the conviction to stand by your beliefs and boycott this season.
 
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Honest question to the @snuffy and @RxCowboy and all the people that want football canceled:

If the Big12 plays football in the fall, will you watch? Will you be entertained?

If it comes to the Big12, as @RxCowboy put it, “putting a gun to an athlete’s head for entertainment.” Because if you feel it is that imminent, I would hope that you have the conviction to stand by your beliefs and boycott this season.
What if I'm on the fence and think we need to have students on campus for at least a month before even trying to play the first game and then have flexible scheduling after that where the season would almost certainly get extended into spring from players testing positive? In case that counts, I would be uneasy watching games in September at a minimum.

What if, crazy thought here, it seems like you all just talk past each other? I recognize that players will likely be safer in an environment where they keep their scholarships/aid, get frequent testing, and have motivation to socially distance, but I also recognize that until classes start and we have that spread under control among football players, there's a huge possibility that sick players will travel with the team, play, and be forced into tighter quarters with other staff. That risk will be higher when players, coaches and staff have incentives to minimize or even hide infections. I'd prefer to delay to spring, but I could get on board with a delayed fall approach that recognizes the spread that's about to happen on college campuses, that we'll only be just discovering that spread at the time the first games are scheduled, and that having better data and treatments will be hugely helpful (as I understand it, a bunch of new treatments get read outs from their clinical trials in the next 4 to 8 weeks). Maybe that plan will wind up basically being a delay to spring, which is what most conferences have actually said in the supposed "cancelation" statements. Also keep in mind, if games are played in September, there's virtually no way stands are remotely full and instead may be completely empty. So, you still have large economic losses there, too. Delaying at least keeps the possibility of fans at the games.
 

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Honest question to the @snuffy and @RxCowboy and all the people that want football canceled:

If the Big12 plays football in the fall, will you watch? Will you be entertained?

If it comes to the Big12, as @RxCowboy put it, “putting a gun to an athlete’s head for entertainment.” Because if you feel it is that imminent, I would hope that you have the conviction to stand by your beliefs and boycott this season.
Ah, see, you're starting out dishonestly. No one, and I mean NO ONE wants football canceled. I would much rather we all did what we need to do to get a handle on controlling this pandemic. But there are just too many people who want to be selfish and stubborn and don't want to be "told what to do".

Are you going to take me up on the COVID-19 bravery challenge, or are you going to hide in your fraidy hole? I'm guessing fraidy hole.

Tell me if you're going to take my challenge and then I'll tell you whether or not I'll watch.
 

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https://bigten.org/news/2020/8/11/general-big-ten-statement-on-2020-21-fall-season.aspx
8/11/2020 3:00:00 PM
Big Ten Statement on 2020-21 Fall Season

“As time progressed and after hours of discussion with our Big Ten Task Force for Emerging Infectious Diseases and the Big Ten Sports Medicine Committee, it became abundantly clear that there was too much uncertainty regarding potential medical risks to allow our student-athletes to compete this fall.​
Gee, that sounds familiar...
 

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No one likes how much things have changed.. and that's the thing. Most people can't handle a temporary change of behavior...and in this instance, a temporary change of behavior is a necessity to rid of a virus that far too many people are not taking seriously.
First, thank you for the kind words. It is all about health to me.

Second, there was a time when this country stormed the beaches of Normandy and Guadalcanal to defeat enemies that threatened, truly threatened our way of life. Now we can't stay home for five weeks. When did we become a nation of pansies?
 

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Dr. Cameron Wolfe, a Duke infectious disease specialist.

"You can't tell me that running onto a football field is supposed to be a zero-risk environment," Wolfe continued. "Look at all of the regular sporting injuries that we accept as a certain level of risk as part and parcel of football. Now the reality is that we have to accept a little bit of COVID risk to be a part of that."

https://apple.news/AY10iUn5uS5Oclw0U_aGW3g

;)
Ask him what the R0 of an acl tear is. Go ahead. Here's his contact info:

Cameron Robert Wolfe, MBBS

Associate Professor of Medicine
Campus mail Duke Box 102359, Division of Infectious Diseases, DUMC, Durham, NC 27710
Phone (919) 668-0789
Email address cw74@duke.edu
 
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Ah, see, you're starting out dishonestly. No one, and I mean NO ONE wants football canceled. I would much rather we all did what we need to do to get a handle on controlling this pandemic. But there are just too many people who want to be selfish and stubborn and don't want to be "told what to do".

Are you going to take me up on the COVID-19 bravery challenge, or are you going to hide in your fraidy hole? I'm guessing fraidy hole.

Tell me if you're going to take my challenge and then I'll tell you whether or not I'll watch.
I didn’t let your stupid “challenge” occupy my mind for two seconds....

Okay Mr. Semantic Arguer.... Everyone that wants it “postponed”...

You have zero integrity if you actually feel the way you do and you watch any college football that’s played in the fall.
 

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I didn’t let your stupid “challenge” occupy my mind for two seconds....

Okay Mr. Semantic Arguer.... Everyone that wants it “postponed”...

You have zero integrity if you actually feel the way you do and you watch any college football that’s played in the fall.
If you want to talk about integrity, then take the challenge. Prove to me that you believe the risks are really infinitesimally small. Then you can call me out.
 
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What if I'm on the fence and think we need to have students on campus for at least a month before even trying to play the first game and then have flexible scheduling after that where the season would almost certainly get extended into spring from players testing positive? In case that counts, I would be uneasy watching games in September at a minimum.

What if, crazy thought here, it seems like you all just talk past each other? I recognize that players will likely be safer in an environment where they keep their scholarships/aid, get frequent testing, and have motivation to socially distance, but I also recognize that until classes start and we have that spread under control among football players, there's a huge possibility that sick players will travel with the team, play, and be forced into tighter quarters with other staff. That risk will be higher when players, coaches and staff have incentives to minimize or even hide infections. I'd prefer to delay to spring, but I could get on board with a delayed fall approach that recognizes the spread that's about to happen on college campuses, that we'll only be just discovering that spread at the time the first games are scheduled, and that having better data and treatments will be hugely helpful (as I understand it, a bunch of new treatments get read outs from their clinical trials in the next 4 to 8 weeks). Maybe that plan will wind up basically being a delay to spring, which is what most conferences have actually said in the supposed "cancelation" statements. Also keep in mind, if games are played in September, there's virtually no way stands are remotely full and instead may be completely empty. So, you still have large economic losses there, too. Delaying at least keeps the possibility of fans at the games.
I get what you’re saying... I’m simply stating what the other side of the medical community is saying. It’s always presented as playing goes against “medical advice.” I am simply saying there are highly regarded medical professionals that hold a different opinion than the popular one.

So many people site medical concerns as the reason not to play but even the medical community is at odds. I don’t why it’s acceptable to agree with the position of a physician at Northwestern and simply ignore the position of a physician from Duke.

To answer your question, I think the push to play in the fall is 90% financial, 10% political. If you think for one second that every university has not studied models of the financial impact of playing in the fall vs playing in the spring, you’re fooling yourself. If the overall financial impact was neutral or even in the same stratosphere, universities would be more inclined to postpone as they would tend to be more risk averse. When you have a disagreement within the medical community along with major financial implications, it’s easy to see why most universities are still pushing for college football in the fall.
 
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If you want to talk about integrity, then take the challenge. Prove to me that you believe the risks are really infinitesimally small. Then you can call me out.
It says a lot about your character that you are simply unwilling to stand by your convictions. Instead you create an asinine “challenge” to try to deflect from the argument.

If you honestly believe what you are writing, you would be so disgusted with university for playing that you would not be able to watch. Regardless of what anyone else does...

Sorry... I will take the medical advice as it pertains to risk from a infectious disease specialist at Duke over an internet troll without a backbone.
 
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Snowflake? I’m the one that is wanting to watch football in the fall. You’re the one wanting to read a book in your safe space and talk about feelings.
I’m the one that wants economic recovery. You’re the one that wants to hide under your bed until mommy (Kamala Harris) says it’s safe to come out.