Hofmeister to run for governor

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Save yourself some angst and unnecessary gnashing of teeth. Stitt will be re-elected comfortably, book it!
Oh, I absolutely expect Stitt will be re-elected just like I figured Trump would. To me, Stitt is a mini-Trump and they share a voting base. I wouldn't expecting anything different out of my fellow Oklahomans unfortunately. At least I don't really worry about anyone rushing the capital if he loses though. We're AT LEAST better than that...
 
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Oh, I absolutely expect Stitt will be re-elected just like I figured Trump would. To me, Stitt is a mini-Trump and they share a voting base. I wouldn't expecting anything different out of my fellow Oklahomans unfortunately. At least I don't really worry about anyone rushing the capital if he loses though. We're AT LEAST better than that...
You mean even if he copies him word for word? "Peacefully and patriotically march to the Capital”
 

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You mean even if he copies him word for word? "Peacefully and patriotically march to the Capital”
Well Stitt's not actively engaging in misinformation to make his supporters question our election process enough for them believe their government is being "stolen" from them... Stitt is smarter than Trump in that regard because he doesn't feel the need to constantly stroke his ego just so he knows people are talking about him...
 
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I would say the average low information voter fully supports both of those moves by Stitt.
I think you can even take away the word "low".
Although Stitt's moves certainly may qualify as controversial and certainly antagonistic to tribal leaders, his views on McGirt and casinos are probably supported by most.

The McGirt ruling (not saying the ruling was right or wrong) is a huge issue for the state. To have a Governor not get involved would be sleeping on the wheel. The McGirt ruling has and is changing the actions of law enforcement and is adding a lot of cost to government. It is actually a much-bigger issue than we see in the media --- it is just not a story that produces exciting headlines or get clicks.
 
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Who’s the one with the R by their name? They are the one that will win, always a chance fir a primary, but there is no chance a Democrat wins in Oklahoma right now, she would have a better chance running independent. Team loyalty is way to strong here
 

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Who’s the one with the R by their name? They are the one that will win, always a chance fir a primary, but there is no chance a Democrat wins in Oklahoma right now, she would have a better chance running independent. Team loyalty is way to strong here
I think she has more of a chance than people are giving her credit for but I don't she will win. Stitt will win but I don't think it's going to be some landslide victory like some people apparently think it will be.
 

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I think Stitt has messed with education enough that his re-election is not a sure thing, that is not saying it will be Joy.
 
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Well Stitt's not actively engaging in misinformation to make his supporters question our election process enough for them believe their government is being "stolen" from them... Stitt is smarter than Trump in that regard because he doesn't feel the need to constantly stroke his ego just so he knows people are talking about him...
When he first came to office I would believe that. Now, not so much.
 
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I think Stitt has messed with education enough that his re-election is not a sure thing, that is not saying it will be Joy.
I am interested in the views people have about Joy that are not from the eastern side of the state.

The educators I know best are from the exact same school district in which Joy started on the public school board. I bet she went from near 100% approval among educators in that school to less than half support over the past few years. Her support is very small now.

A good example is the two new Jenks city council members that were added last year in the elections. One is teacher and the other sat on the same school board with Joy. Both are very much against her now -- after being strong proponents of her when she ran against Barresi.
 

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I am interested in the views people have about Joy that are not from the eastern side of the state.

The educators I know best are from the exact same school district in which Joy started on the public school board. I bet she went from near 100% approval among educators in that school to less than half support over the past few years. Her support is very small now.

A good example is the two new Jenks city council members that were added last year in the elections. One is teacher and the other sat on the same school board with Joy. Both are very much against her now -- after being strong proponents of her when she ran against Barresi.
I really do find your take here interesting because I get the exact opposite feel from central OK teachers. What has she done that's upset NE OK so much?
 
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I really do find your take here interesting because I get the exact opposite feel from central OK teachers. What has she done that's upset NE OK so much?
Because she started in public school in the district I am in, people around here know her well. Many attended her local stump speeches during her run against Barresi. People wanted change from Barresi

Why do so many not support her now?
1) She strongly spoke about reducing administrative costs. One of her hooks was that OK was 49th in teacher salaries, but top 10 in administrative expenses. Result: She has done nothing to reduce administrative expenses.
2) Teachers did get a raise, but not because of her push. And she has largely dropped the issue even though teacher pay is still embarrassingly low. This is the #1 item I hear from them.
3) She completely dropped the ball during the pandemic. What a wonderful time to help support schools with cost and supervision. Instead, each school was left to create their own online distance learning program. A huge lack of leadership.
4) Masks guidelines: I know Joy reached out to a couple of school board members about the law about no mask mandates imposed by school boards. The people she reached out to largely told her not to argue it because it would be a ___show if they had to debate their own local mask mandate and the law helped them not be the bad guy. She asked them but then voted against the other state education board members even though the local school board members advised her otherwise (note: this was prior to Delta variant rise. I imagine school board members had a change of heart when that occurred)
5) School district consolidation. This goes with reducing administrative costs, but she spoke about this constantly during her campaign. Result: She did nothing.

Basically, she is viewed as not following her word. (Yes, I know many politicians are guilty of that —-but she was a friend to them and probably the closest politician they will ever know)
 
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Because she started in public school in the district I am in, people around here know her well. Many attended her local stump speeches during her run against Barresi. People wanted change from Barresi

Why do so many not support her now?
1) She strongly spoke about reducing administrative costs. One of her hooks was that OK was 49th in teacher salaries, but top 10 in administrative expenses. Result: She has done nothing to reduce administrative expenses.
2) Teachers did get a raise, but not because of her push. And she has largely dropped the issue even though teacher pay is still embarrassingly low. This is the #1 item I hear from them.
3) She completely dropped the ball during the pandemic. What a wonderful time to help support schools with cost and supervision. Instead, each school was left to create their own online distance learning program. A huge lack of leadership.
4) Masks guidelines: I know Joy reached out to a couple of school board members about the law about no mask mandates imposed by school boards. The people she reached out to largely told her not to argue it because it would be a ___show if they had to debate their own local mask mandate and the law helped them not be the bad guy. She asked them but then voted against the other state education board members even though the local school board members advised her otherwise (note: this was prior to Delta variant rise. I imagine school board members had a change of heart when that occurred)
5) School district consolidation. This goes with reducing administrative costs, but she spoke about this constantly during her campaign. Result: She did nothing.

Basically, she is viewed as not following her word. (Yes, I know many politicians are guilty of that —-but she was a friend to them and probably the closest politician they will ever know)
Thank you for that info. Do you have a feel for why people would support her? IE any positives. Sounds like she had some good ideas that were not followed through, which is unfortunate.
 
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Thank you for that info. Do you have a feel for why people would support her? IE any positives. Sounds like she had some good ideas that were not followed through, which is unfortunate.
IMHO, and as the husband of a recently retired public middle school teacher, she has a good messaging team that ensures she verbally addresses key items of concern with the public and makes them feel comfortable with it; then.........nothing.
 
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IMHO, and as the husband of a recently retired public middle school teacher, she has a good messaging team that ensures she verbally addresses key items of concern with the public and makes them feel comfortable with it; then.........nothing.
Bummer, as they are all great ideas in theory. Thanks for the reply.

I wonder if some of those plans/ideas were hamstrung by other entities. Essentially the politics getting in the way. No idea if that is true or not, but it would not surprise me. While I know it is impossbile to quantify it, in general, I would be curious to know what average percentage of any politician's plan gets implemented.
 
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Bummer, as they are all great ideas in theory. Thanks for the reply.

I wonder if some of those plans/ideas were hamstrung by other entities. Essentially the politics getting in the way. No idea if that is true or not, but it would not surprise me. While I know it is impossbile to quantify it, in general, I would be curious to know what average percentage of any politician's plan gets implemented.
For me it gets down to three things that turn me off of her: 1) pretty much what cableok listed; 2) Epic's financial influence in her campaigns; and 3) her strong resistance to Stitt's demand for an audit of OSDE.
 

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For me it gets down to three things that turn me off of her: 1) pretty much what cableok listed; 2) Epic's financial influence in her campaigns; and 3) her strong resistance to Stitt's demand for an audit of OSDE.
Details on this one?... That's first I've heard of any friendliness between her and Epic so I don't know if it just happened before all the Epic scandals and I didn't notice or what.
 
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Details on this one?... That's first I've heard of any friendliness between her and Epic so I don't know if it just happened before all the Epic scandals and I didn't notice or what.
She accepted a small campaign donation from Epic. I may not be a fan of Hofmeister as a Superintendent, but I don't at all think she is unethical.