Gundy/HC threads merged

[CocoCincinnati]

Listening to the radio today and at halftime, they said Gundy told them we need to do a better job of running the football. in the 3rd quarter, we ran up the middle on 4 straight 1st down plays and 2 of 4 2nd down plays. The result; 1 first down in 3 possessions as TCU took the lead after being down 2 scores. I'm done with Gundy until he does two things. 1. consider special teams as important as O or D and name a special teams coordinator. 2. Let the offensive coordinator put his own stamp on things with no interference......if Dunn isn't the answer, then hire a big name, not somebody from Division 3 who will just do what Gundy says. Gundy has had almost complete control of the offense for what, 8 years now? Too many teams have figured it out and we need a change. I don't mind Gundy being head coach, but he can't be defacto offensive coordinator any more.

 

[Keller Poke]

I wonder who would be Gundy’s choice to replace him.

 

[packerart]

In my mind the problem continues to be Gundy’s unwillingness to change. Does anyone truly believe we will make a appearance in the Big 12 championship game once in the next five years? Gundy’s not going to change his recruiting or his hiring of assistant coaches!! I’am calling no better than 8 & 4 next year!!!

 

[cowboyinexile]

I wonder who would be Gundy’s choice to replace him.

It's going to be someone like this:

Y'all be careful what you wish for.

 

[wrenhal]

After watching “OUR TIME” on ESPN, Gundy sounds like a broken record. He repeats the same speech day in and day out. I understand I don’t see everything but from a high level, Gundy is on cruise control. I cannot blame him if he is ready to move to different ventures; I simply ask OSU to provide a clean amicable exit.

To be truthful, when you are instilling a culture, being repetitive of the mission statements is common. That's what he's been doing with those mantras.

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[osucowboy80]

Making a coaching change is risky. Just ask Michigan, Texas, Florida State, Tennessee, etc.

We've gotten comfortable with the success we've had under Gundy. Prior to that, we were mostly mediocre or worse. Bowl eligibility has been a given since HCMG took over.

Unfortunately, he hit his ceiling. We're a middle of the pack B12 team. That's as far as he can get it. We want more. Expect more. But he clearly doesn't have what it takes to build an elite program. Not many do.

Definitely tempting to say it's time to make a change. Would be great to make a homerun hire and see our program take the next step. But for every Dabo Swinney, there are many more Charlie Strongs, Willie Taggarts, Lane Kiffins, etc.

Are you willing to risk sliding back to Bob Simmons era obscurity for a shot at elevating the program to the next level?

 

[OstatePokes]

Making a coaching change is risky. Just ask Michigan, Texas, Florida State, Tennessee, etc.

We've gotten comfortable with the success we've had under Gundy. Prior to that, we were mostly mediocre or worse. Bowl eligibility has been a given since HCMG took over.

Unfortunately, he hit his ceiling. We're a middle of the pack B12 team. That's as far as he can get it. We want more. Expect more. But he clearly doesn't have what it takes to build an elite program. Not many do.

Definitely tempting to say it's time to make a change. Would be great to make a homerun hire and see our program take the next step. But for every Dabo Swinney, there are many more Charlie Strongs, Willie Taggarts, Lane Kiffins, etc.

Are you willing to risk sliding back to Bob Simmons era obscurity for a shot at elevating the program to the next level?

I would be up for the risk.

 

[Jostate]

It doesn't seem very intellectually honest to use COVID as an excuse. .

It's an excuse to the extent that financially we are in no position to make any big moves right now.

 

[Coolfogg]

I think a lot has to d

Making a coaching change is risky. Just ask Michigan, Texas, Florida State, Tennessee, etc.

We've gotten comfortable with the success we've had under Gundy. Prior to that, we were mostly mediocre or worse. Bowl eligibility has been a given since HCMG took over.

Unfortunately, he hit his ceiling. We're a middle of the pack B12 team. That's as far as he can get it. We want more. Expect more. But he clearly doesn't have what it takes to build an elite program. Not many do.

Definitely tempting to say it's time to make a change. Would be great to make a homerun hire and see our program take the next step. But for every Dabo Swinney, there are many more Charlie Strongs, Willie Taggarts, Lane Kiffins, etc.

Are you willing to risk sliding back to Bob Simmons era obscurity for a shot at elevating the program to the next level?

I think a lot of has to do with his control. He had coordinators that were good (holgy, monken) a d they got the fanfare. He has control issues and needs to understand being a ceo. You have to trust the people you hired.

 

[OstatePokes]

When is the last time the program overachieved and exceeded expectations? We have probably been overrated more often than not most years since 2013.

 

[OSUgradndad85]

If you told me right now we have the money to buy out Gundy’s contract, I’d hope they would act on it and go after Phillip Montgomery.

 

[PF5]

the only team to score less pts. than we did vs. ou was Kansas and MO State...let that sink in...

 

[PF5]

If you told me right now we have the money to buy out Gundy’s contract, I’d hope they would act on it and go after Phillip Montgomery.

that's the best you could come up with??? I'll stick with Gundy then....

 

[snuffy]

If you told me right now we have the money to buy out Gundy’s contract, I’d hope they would act on it and go after Phillip Montgomery.

You want a guy who in 6 years at Tulsa has not gone .500?

 

[AI-Cowboy]

The next couple of years will be rebuilding years. As someone else pointed out, we got a preview of next year when Tylan went down today. And it was anemic. Do we want Gundy rebuilding or the next head coach? If it’s Gundy, he’d have to whole-heartedly commit to at least 3 more years. 2 for reloading and 1 or 2 to have a slight shot at making the CCG. This forum (me included) couldn’t take that. I know Gundy’s not going anywhere, but he better start producing or this program will have a hard time getting back to relevance.


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[OSUgradndad85]

You want a guy who in 6 years at Tulsa has not gone .500?

I’m looking beyond the image of “Tulsa” and his record there given the recruiting limitations he has due to academics.

 

[Fly]

Jamey Chadwell HC of Coastal Carolina is helluva a coach. Congrats on being undefeated. I know OSU won’t make a change but this is a guy who’s going to be a power 5 coach soon.

 

[PF5]

I’m looking beyond the image of “Tulsa” and his record there given the recruiting limitations he has due to academics.

so what exactly are you looking at...what do you see in this guy?

 

[OSUgradndad85]

so what exactly are you looking at...what do you see in this guy?

Just based on my observation I see the following:
1. A coach who is close to and genuinely cares about his players
2. A coach who stresses academics first
3. A coach who represents his team and university well outside of Tulsa
4. A coach who isn’t complacent and is still focused on winning
5. A coach who wouldn’t come across as content being the #2 or worse team in the state
6. A coach who understands what a diverse offensive scheme is
7. A coach who recruits speed and intensity on defense
8. A coach who can recruit even better athletes without the rigid academic standards of TU
9. A coach who I think would stay longer in Stillwater than many other coaching options, and who would appreciate and embrace the family atmosphere this university provides.

 

[PF5]

Hmmmm, let’s see. Just based on my observation I see the following:
1. A coach who is close to and genuinely cares about his players
2. A coach who stresses academics first
3. A coach who represents his team and university well outside of Tulsa
4. A coach who isn’t complacent and is still focused on winning
5. A coach who wouldn’t come across as content being the #2 or worse team in the state
6. A coach who understands what a diverse offensive scheme is
7. A coach who recruits speed and intensity on defense
8. A coach who I think would stay longer in Stillwater than many other coaching options, and who would appreciate and embrace the family atmosphere this university provides.

well, they ain't going after montgomery...sorry