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Oklahoma lawmaker Rob Standridge (R-Norman) has introduced a bill that would give any parent the power to ban a book from any public school district, public charter school, or public school library. The legislation would also give parents the ability to seek “monetary damages including a minimum of $10,000 per day,” if the book requested for removal is not removed.

State Sen. Rob Standridge introduced Senate Bill 1142, which would allow parents to request that a book be removed from libraries in a school district.
No way will they pass that. At least not with me around. I’ll challenge every single book.
 

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No way will they pass that. At least not with me around. I’ll challenge every single book.
Actually, the bill specifically is about Sexually Explicit materials. It is written with things in mind such as having books in elementarys that give explicit details on how to have an*l s*x with someone, as one example
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Actually, the bill specifically is about Sexually Explicit materials. It is written with things in mind such as having books in elementarys that give explicit details on how to have an*l s*x with someone, as one example
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I saw some of those. While I agree some are pornography or close to it, I’m against banning any. So I would abuse the law and go after them all until common sense makes a comeback. Adult materials have always been marked as such. If we can’t agree on what adult material is, then we should ban it all until we decide.
 

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I saw some of those. While I agree some are pornography or close to it, I’m against banning any. So I would abuse the law and go after them all until common sense makes a comeback. Adult materials have always been marked as such. If we can’t agree on what adult material is, then we should ban it all until we decide.
I think the bill is redundant, because there are rules regarding the kinds of things that can/can't be in schools regarding being age appropriate. The problem is that things are being considered age appropriate by the teachers/librarians placing the books there, without oversight of anyone in authority.
 

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I think the bill is redundant, because there are rules regarding the kinds of things that can/can't be in schools regarding being age appropriate. The problem is that things are being considered age appropriate by the teachers/librarians placing the books there, without oversight of anyone in authority.
That bolded part is the kink in the rope pardner. In a truly free society, that authority is where? Obviously, there’s no truly free society. Which makes the answer to the question ten x worse.
 

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Actually, the bill specifically is about Sexually Explicit materials. It is written with things in mind such as having books in elementarys that give explicit details on how to have an*l s*x with someone, as one example
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No, the bill isn't specifically about sexually explicit materials. I've read it, and you haven't.

The Bible has rape, murder, and incest in it. You for banning it from libraries....and you can't say it's already banned, because that simply isn't true.
 

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I think the bill is redundant, because there are rules regarding the kinds of things that can/can't be in schools regarding being age appropriate. The problem is that things are being considered age appropriate by the teachers/librarians placing the books there, without oversight of anyone in authority.
That bolded part is the kink in the rope pardner. In a truly free society, that authority is where? Obviously, there’s no truly free society. Which makes the answer to the question ten x worse.
In a school there is always supposed to be oversight of everything. The buck stops with someone just like in a business.

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Actually, the bill specifically is about Sexually Explicit materials. It is written with things in mind such as having books in elementarys that give explicit details on how to have an*l s*x with someone, as one example
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No, the bill isn't specifically about sexually explicit materials. I've read it, and you haven't.

The Bible has rape, murder, and incest in it. You for banning it from libraries....and you can't say it's already banned, because that simply isn't true.
I won't say it's banned. But it's it in elementary school libraries? Are teachers trying to slip in those parts of the Bible into their teaching at the elementary level?
It's about being age appropriate.
And I'll have to go back and read the bill, I will admit I read a summary article only.

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In a school there is always supposed to be oversight of everything. The buck stops with someone just like in a business.

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Right? I had to do the private school route and was very good friends with our librarian, believe it or not, she was the final authority on what books were allowed. I’m sure there were problems but they were kept private and books were never banned. Nothing was kept secret. Or hidden away. Picture books showing the art of fellatio are nothing compared to the Masters.
Public school authority is completely another matter. As we see today, the battle for that authority isn’t over. Or decided.
 

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I won't say it's banned. But it's it in elementary school libraries? Are teachers trying to slip in those parts of the Bible into their teaching at the elementary level?
It's about being age appropriate.
And I'll have to go back and read the bill, I will admit I read a summary article only.

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Bill isn't restricted to elementary schools, nor books actually being taught in the classroom or curriculum, or age appropriateness.

Any book, any reason, any public school district.
 

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Stupid about AGW!!
Bill isn't restricted to elementary schools, nor books actually being taught in the classroom or curriculum, or age appropriateness.

Any book, any reason, any public school district.
And or you complain and it isn't removed the school owes you $10k per day....aren't schools public funded? Doesn't this mean the Oklahoma tax payers would be on the hook for the fine???
 

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I won't say it's banned. But it's it in elementary school libraries? Are teachers trying to slip in those parts of the Bible into their teaching at the elementary level?
It's about being age appropriate.
And I'll have to go back and read the bill, I will admit I read a summary article only.

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Just a word of advice.

Maybe don't make claims about what a bill says or does without, you know....actually reading the actual bill.

Seems like that would be a good idea....going to the original source instead of accepting your biased media sites of choice as gospel.
 
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Just a word of advice.

Maybe don't make claims about what a bill says or does without, you know....actually reading the actual bill.

Seems like that would be a good idea....going to the original source instead of accepting your biased media sites of choice as gospel.
Likewise never say what the Bible says without reading the Bible>
 

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Likewise never say what the Bible says without reading the Bible>
I've read the Bible.

Likewise never make mental health diagnosis that you are in no way qualified to make over viewing someone on TV. You've already violated that one.
 

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Actually, the bill specifically is about Sexually Explicit materials. It is written with things in mind such as having books in elementarys that give explicit details on how to have an*l s*x with someone, as one example
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I don't know what the author had in mind but, here is the bill. Only 3 pages with the crux of the bill being section 1 paragraph A.
 

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I'd say the crux of the bill is paragraph B...if a parent "believes" the book violates paragraph A (which is already very broad. I could argue/believe that just about any book fits in there somewhere)....s/he can ask that it be banned and removed from the shelf...and if the employee doesn't comply with that request based upon the belief of a single parent within 30 days the employee "shall" be dismissed.
 

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I'd say the crux of the bill is paragraph B...if a parent "believes" the book violates paragraph A (which is already very broad. I could argue/believe that just about any book fits in there somewhere)....s/he can ask that it be banned and removed from the shelf...and if the employee doesn't comply with that request based upon the belief of a single parent within 30 days the employee "shall" be dismissed.
I'm not surprised at all someone would come up with this bill. What really stands out to me though is that there's no oversight whatsoever. No process for review, validation or anything. Just "I think this book is about sex, remove it!", "OK". How is there not some type of system laid out to actually review the complaint and determine if it has any merit to it? There's nothing in this bill that allows the school to actually determine if the book meets the requirements or not. They're just required to pull it off the shelf based on a parent complaint, as valid or invalid as it might be.

What I'm getting at, is that it looks like it's written by someone that thinks they're a congress-person or a middle/high school assignment or something. It doesn't look like it was written with any thought to how it would actually work.
 
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Stupid about AGW!!
I'm not surprised at all someone would come up with this bill. What really stands out to me though is that there's no oversight whatsoever. No process for review, validation or anything. Just "I think this book is about sex, remove it!", "OK". How is there not some type of system laid out to actually review the complaint and determine if it has any merit to it? There's nothing in this bill that allows the school to actually determine if the book meets the requirements or not. They're just required to pull it off the shelf based on a parent complaint, as valid or invalid as it might be.

What I'm getting at, is that it looks like it's written by someone that thinks they're a congress-person or a middle/high school assignment or something. It doesn't look like it was written with any thought to how it would actually work.
Hence why it is in this Thread. If it had been a well thought out bill with good oversight and detailed and thought out processes then it would have its own thread to discuss it merits and issues.

This is nothing more than a bill that says "If I, ME, MYSELF, do NOT Like something, then I can demand it be removed and you MUST comply with my Demands or lose your job!!"

Talk about the triggered snowflake bill. It is just political nonsense, and this guy is getting PAID by us taxpayers to write this crap.

It has NO Conservative principles to support it, has zero research or information to back up why this would be a good bill for Oklahoma and is the ultimate "Lets protect our conservative Karen's out there right to complain about ANYTHING and get their WAY"

It is the Get my way or you get fired bill.......AND opens a door for Dem & Republican activist in the state to use it to start a knowledge sharing war of what our kids can and can not read or see....talk about the ultimate Nanny state bill.

It baffles me that a GOP rep in Oklahoma wrote this bill and it baffles me that GOP party members in Oklahoma haven't been strongly speaking out against this