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When is this good guy going to stop one of the mass shooters from Murdering innocent people.
Or is it just clever messaging by the gun manufacturers.

In truth!
I believe we already know the answer.
It’s only going to get worse.
 
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When is this good guy going to stop one of the mass shooters from Murdering innocent people.
Or is it just clever messaging by the gun manufacturers.

In truth!
I believe we already know the answer.
It’s only going to get worse.
Says the uninformed poster regarding a tragic event brought on by a nut case in a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Or is it just clever messaging by you?
 
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For states with the loosest gun laws in the nation, maybe gun rights supporters would want to promote gun ownership by the government giving tax rebates for every gun bought.
At this point there's pretty much no reason for additional promotion of gun ownership. Liberal policies throughout the country are doing a magnificant job of that on their own.
 

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When is this good guy going to stop one of the mass shooters from Murdering innocent people.
Or is it just clever messaging by the gun manufacturers.

In truth!
I believe we already know the answer.
It’s only going to get worse.
I’m glad you asked, because it’s the same idiotic question a coworker spouted off after the Uvalde shootings.

Let’s be clear about the logic you’re using here: If someone with a gun doesn’t stop every single shooting, then nobody should have a gun.

That’s genius.


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I’m glad you asked, because it’s the same idiotic question a coworker spouted off after the Uvalde shootings.

Let’s be clear about the logic you’re using here: If someone with a gun doesn’t stop every single shooting, then nobody should have a gun.

That’s genius.


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Unfortunately, in Uvalde the appointed and paid good guys with lots of guns and body armor that are endorsed by the brigade opposing regular citizens having guns were making excuses and rationalizations to not use their many guns and body armor. I guess you're right a good guy with a gun doesn't always take care of business no matter their training.
 

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These Incidents of Defensive Gun Use Prove Armed Civilians Make Situations Safer
Dec 23rd, 2021 6 min read by Amy Swearer@AmySwearer
Legal Fellow, Meese Center for Legal and Judicial Studies
Amy is a legal fellow in the Meese Center for Legal and Judicial Studies.


As two robber-hijackers got into a St. Louis woman's car Nov. 9, she had time to grab her own gun and shoot one of them.Glasshouse Images / Getty Images
KEY TAKEAWAYS
Americans routinely use their guns to defend themselves and others from crime, rendering themselves and their communities safer from violence.
Almost every major study on the issue has found that Americans use their firearms in self-defense between 500,000 and 3 million times annually.
The examples below represent only a small portion of the news stories on defensive gun use that we found in November.
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Itestified earlier this month at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in Chicago on underlying causes of the spikes in gun violence in that city and around the country.
Although Sen. Dick Durbin’s interruptions of my opening statement stole the show in many respects, it shouldn’t be overlooked that the Illinois Democrat also solicited disparaging remarks on the right to keep and bear arms from another witness—Chicago Police Superintendent David Brown.
In direct response to one of Durbin’s questions, Brown remarked that armed civilians make police officers’ jobs more difficult, and that he never has seen a lawfully armed civilian make a situation safer.
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This was certainly disappointing and should not take away from Brown’s important points with respect to underlying problems of prosecutorial leniency and anti-police sentiment that devastates police morale.
But Brown also is quite mistaken about the reality of defensive uses of firearms. Americans—including those residing in Chicago—routinely use their guns to defend themselves and others from crime, rendering themselves and their communities safer from violence.
Almost every major study on the issue has found that Americans use their firearms in self-defense between 500,000 and 3 million times annually, according to a 2013 report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
For this reason, The Daily Signal each month publishes an article highlighting some of the previous month’s many news stories on defensive gun use that you may have missed—or that might not have made it to the national spotlight in the first place. (Read other accounts here from 2019, 2020, and so far this year.)
The examples below represent only a small portion of the news stories on defensive gun use that we found in November. You may explore more by using The Heritage Foundation’s interactive Defensive Gun Use Database. (The Daily Signal is the multimedia news organization of The Heritage Foundation.)
  • Nov. 2, Milwaukee: A woman’s ex-boyfriend tried to enter her home without her permission to “get his things,” police said, and he began to fight physically with her when she said she would bring down his possessions but that he could not come inside. Witnesses heard the woman shout, “Don’t come close to me,” before either she or her current boyfriend shot the ex-boyfriend in the leg. At the time, the ex-boyfriend had three open felony cases against him, including for firing a gun at the woman, and was not supposed to be within 500 feet of her home.
  • Nov. 6, Chicago: An elderly man who holds a concealed carry permit was in a parking garage when a vehicle approached and someone with a gun got out and demanded his belongings. The permit holder drew his own gun and fatally shot the robber, police said.
  • Nov. 8, St. Louis: Two persons approached a woman as she walked to her car and asked to use her phone, police said. When the woman said she didn’t have a phone on her, one of them—a 13-year-old boy—pulled out a gun and demanded her car keys and money, which she handed over. As the two robbers got into her car, the teen with the gun became distracted, giving the woman time to grab her own gun and fire at the teen, wounding him. The two fled, but responding officers later found the wounded teen and took him to a hospital before charging him as a juvenile.
  • Nov. 10, Chicago: A man who was sitting on his front steps noticed two people suspiciously crawling under a car and went to confront them, police said. As he walked up, the two pulled out handguns and fired, prompting him to pull his own lawfully possessed gun and fire back, fatally wounding one gunman and causing the other to flee. The lawful gun owner—who had a valid concealed carry permit—was not hurt, police said.
  • Nov. 14, Bossier City, Louisiana: A convenience store clerk fatally shot a man who walked in and demanded money while saying he had a shotgun in his pants. The would-be robber didn’t actually have a gun, police said, but did have part of a tire jack in his pants. He recently had been released from prison after doing time for robbing another convenience store in 2017.
  • Nov. 16, Blytheville, Arkansas: Police said a truck driver pulled off the side of the road to adjust his trailer and someone got into the truck. When the driver attempted to pull him out of the truck’s cab, the stranger shot him. Two witnesses tried to intervene, police said, but the assailant chased them back to their car. One witness was armed, however, and shot the man after repeatedly warning him to stop. The wounded truck driver was released from the hospital; his assailant faces a charge of first-degree battery.
  • Nov. 20, New Port Richey, Florida: A man shot and wounded an acquaintance who stabbed him multiple times during an argument, police said. The acquaintance, armed with a machete, followed the man into his bedroom and stood in the doorway after being told to leave, police said. The intruder stabbed the resident in the hand, chest, and side of the head before the man was able to retrieve his handgun and shoot back in self-defense. Both were treated at a hospital for injuries; the assailant was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon.
  • Nov. 20, Philadelphia: Surveillance video captured the moment that an Uber driver with a concealed carry permit used his gun to fight off three armed robbers who demanded money at gunpoint. He fatally shot one robber and injured another while the third fled, police said.
  • Nov. 21, Des Moines, Washington: A woman exchanged about 15 roundswith two armed intruders, wounding one before calling 911, police said. Responding officers found the second armed suspect outside the woman’s house and fatally shot him. The woman was not injured.
  • Nov. 23, Coldwater, Michigan: A man arrived home to discover an intruder in his living room armed with a hatchet, police said. The man returned to his truck, retrieved a handgun, and held the intruder at gunpoint until police arrived.
  • Nov. 26, Forest, Virginia: When a woman’s estranged husband forced his way inside her home and attacked her with a knife, another resident retrieved a handgun and fatally shot him, police said. At the time of the attack, investigators said, the estranged husband was subject to a restraining order that he already had violated several times.
  • Nov. 30, Thomaston, Georgia: An armed resident shot and wounded a would-be car thief in a shootout, police said. The resident, who was not harmed, had confronted the thief after seeing him try to break into a vehicle.
  • Dec. 4, Wichita, Kansas: A gunowner used his firearm to hold a man until police arrived after catching him trying to break into a vehicle. Officers cited the man, a parolee, for misdemeanor tampering with an automobile and took him to a hospital for treatment of an unrelated injury. Unfortunately, the man wasn’t formally arrested or booked. He now is accused of stabbing a woman to death just hours later.
  • Dec. 5, Dickson, Texas: After a man shot his son and daughter-in-law during a domestic dispute, armed neighbors held him at gunpoint until police arrived. The wounded relatives were expected to survive, and the couple’s children—home at the time—were uninjured, police said.
  • Dec. 6, Philadelphia: After armed robbers targeted predominantly Latino-owned businesses more than a dozen times in just three weeks, police said, one merchant turned the tables by shooting and wounding a 20-year-old man who tried to rob his corner store.
  • Dec. 8, Bolivar, Tennessee: When a man tried to rob a Domino’s Pizza outlet, police said, an armed employee drew his own gun and fatally shot the robber. An accomplice who fled had not been caught.
  • Dec. 11, Chicago: Surveillance video captured the moment two thieves broke into display cases at a store dealing in luxury cars and watches, only to be confronted by several armed employees who promptly chased them out. Although the thieves escaped with some luxury watches, police said, the store escaped the sort of ransacking seen at many other high-end businesses in Chicago’s famed Loop.
  • Dec. 12, Fairfax, Virginia: Police said a burglar armed with a knife entered a home through an unlocked door and refused to leave after residents confronted him. When the burglar lunged toward one resident with the knife, the resident—armed with a gun—fired a warning shot into the floor. The resident then held the burglar at gunpoint until police arrived.
  • Dec. 14, Lawrence, Indiana: Three muggers approached a pawn shop employee who was walking behind the store and tried to rob him at gunpoint. The employee drew his own gun and exchanged fire with the would-be robbers, wounding one before they all fled in a car. Police said they later arrested the wounded suspect, a 14-year-old boy left behind after the getaway car crashed.
  • Dec. 15, Lakeland, Florida: A homeowner shot an intruder who used a flowerpot to smash through a glass door. Police arrested the intruder, who had an extensive criminal history including 14 felony convictions. The homeowner “did exactly what he had a right to do,” Sheriff Grady Judd said in a press release. “I commend him for protecting himself and defending his home.”
  • Dec. 17, Garden Grove, California: Police said a man with a history of criminal violence, subject to an active restraining order for domestic violence, broke into an ex-girlfriend’s home and stabbed her new boyfriend several times. The boyfriend survived, but his assailant escaped. A week later, the ex-boyfriend returned, kicked in the woman’s door, and attacked the couple again. The new boyfriend, armed with a handgun, fatally shot the intruder, police said.
  • Dec. 18, Cairo, Georgia: An elderly woman, awakened by noise in the middle of the night, confronted several armed intruders who had broken in. At least one intruder opened fire and wounded the woman, but she shot back with her own gun, prompting the intruders to flee. Police later arrested seven suspects in the home invasion, including five under age 16.
  • Dec. 20, Johnson City, Tennessee: A man and woman, after arriving home, discovered an armed felon hiding behind their house. Police said the felon was wanted on several domestic violence charges and also the subject of a protection order issued for the woman. Assaulted by the trespasser, the man shot and wounded him. The felon faced additional charges, police said.
  • Dec. 22, Abbottstown, Pennsylvania: A disturbed man wearing nothing but a shirt broke into an elderly couple’s home and violently assaulted them, police said. The woman’s husband was able to grab a handgun from the bedroom and fatally shot the attacker as he beat her. The husband and wife suffered serious injuries, but were expected to recover.
  • Dec. 25, Laneville, Texas: Early Christmas morning, a visiting relative alerted a homeowner to a suspicious light under another house on the property. When the relative investigated, police said, he found a burglar inside and repeatedly ordered him to “get on the floor.” The burglar reached into a pocket and charged at the relative, who fatally shot him.
  • Dec. 29, Biloxi, Mississippi: Law enforcement officers responded to a call regarding gunshots and an unresponsive man outside an apartment complex. They determined that the man had forced his way inside his ex-girlfriend’s home, where a resident fatally shot him in self-defense.
It’s possible that Brown, Chicago’s police superintendent, is unaware how routine these types of defensive gun uses are, both in his city and around the nation.
And it’s certainly true that armed criminals make life more difficult for law enforcement officers, and that sometimes officers make tragic mistakes in the heat of the moment, mistaking lawful gun owners for criminals.
But, respectfully, law enforcement officers already have little idea who around them is carrying a firearm, whether lawfully or unlawfully.
The fact that it might be more difficult to tell a “good guy” with a gun from a “bad guy” with a gun is not a valid reason for government to further restrict the exercise of constitutional rights.
It certainly doesn’t negate the plethora of times that law-abiding citizens swiftly and safely act as their own first line of defense against criminals when police can’t get there in time.
 
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Binman4OSU

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Are you smurfing kidding me?!?!?!?? :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

At this point, he had already shot at bystanders outside the school. YOU.DROP.THE.MFER!!! :mad:
The Mayor is now convinced there is some kind of Coverup going on in the Texas DPS targeting him and his officers...however, this report is the 4th different Report to show his cities officers failed horribly . This report was done by Texas State University


UVALDE, Texas – Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlinsaid he suspects Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCrawis “covering up” details of the Robb Elementary School massacre.
McLaughlin spoke with CNN Tuesday and said he suspects McCraw is covering up for his agency.
“It’s always hard when you tell a lie that you have to keep telling a lie. I’m not saying he’s lying. Maybe he was misled with information,” McLaughlin said.
McCraw has placed blame for the bungled handling of the active shooter scenario on May 24 squarely on Uvalde schools police Chief Pete Arredondo. He has maintained that Arredondo is responsible in the weeks since, calling the response to the shooting an “abject failure” during a special Texas Senate committee hearingon June 21.
“You know, every agency in that hallway is gonna have to share the blame,” McLaughlin said. “And like I said again, I’ll go back to when have you ever seen a federal or state law enforcement officer take their cues from local law enforcement?”

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/202...ps-is-covering-up-details-of-uvalde-shooting/
 

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The Mayor is now convinced there is some kind of Coverup going on in the Texas DPS targeting him and his officers...however, this report is the 4th different Report to show his cities officers failed horribly . This report was done by Texas State University


UVALDE, Texas – Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlinsaid he suspects Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCrawis “covering up” details of the Robb Elementary School massacre.
McLaughlin spoke with CNN Tuesday and said he suspects McCraw is covering up for his agency.
“It’s always hard when you tell a lie that you have to keep telling a lie. I’m not saying he’s lying. Maybe he was misled with information,” McLaughlin said.
McCraw has placed blame for the bungled handling of the active shooter scenario on May 24 squarely on Uvalde schools police Chief Pete Arredondo. He has maintained that Arredondo is responsible in the weeks since, calling the response to the shooting an “abject failure” during a special Texas Senate committee hearingon June 21.
“You know, every agency in that hallway is gonna have to share the blame,” McLaughlin said. “And like I said again, I’ll go back to when have you ever seen a federal or state law enforcement officer take their cues from local law enforcement?”

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/202...ps-is-covering-up-details-of-uvalde-shooting/
I'm curious as to how exposing all of the inaction and missteps that local law enforcement took would be considered a "cover up". Wouldn't it be flat out untrue or just lying? With every stone that gets turned over in this investigation, it sure appears that Chief Arrendondo was not fit for the position. I initially thought that his inactions "may have" caused more casualties... now today they come out and state that this possibly could have been stopped altogether?!???! Smurfing ludicrous... and unacceptable.

A whole lotta people need to lose their jobs!