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What will be the results of todays vote?

  • Trump wins big

    Votes: 11 14.1%
  • Trump wins small

    Votes: 12 15.4%
  • No decision by tomorrow morning

    Votes: 29 37.2%
  • Biden wins small

    Votes: 17 21.8%
  • Biden wins big

    Votes: 9 11.5%

  • Total voters
    78
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The Keystone pipeline was going to be really good for Oklahoma...Paris accord is a big group hug that means little else, except for a bunch of wasted money that does focus as much on the problem children as it does on the countries who are mass polluters or are working to fix things anyway...also a national top down mask at the end of a pandemic is purely a political statement that will face legal and local challenges all over the nation (in other words a waste of time). Not that I have a problem with state and local mask mandates, I don't they have a real place...otherwise on these first few days...meh.
END OF A PANDEMIC?
 

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"Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream." -- David Cameron

"[Multiculturalism] is a failure." -- Nicolas Sarkozy

"Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies, and therefore multiculturalism remains a grand delusion." -- Angela Merkel

"Our model is universalist, not multiculturalist." -- Emmanuel Macron
This is an interesting discussion for another day...BUT...it is STILL a very interesting one.

Can we all agree that inclusion of all diverse groups in the ever evolving American Dream is the goal of all (at least MOST) of us despite our political differences?

We can call it multiculturalism, but it's more aptly defined as inclusion.

We are seeing a ton of attempted cultural reshaping going on these days, and when we see this we will inevitably see a change in the definition of what it means to be an American and to achieve the American Dream. We shouldn't have a problem with embracing all types of people in the American Dream, but it's ok to question the cultural tactics and direction of changes that are being driven. Not that they have evil intent, because I don't believe they do have that, but because it's interesting to study social change. It's incumbent on a society to embrace and preserve the positives of it's past YET still make progress into to a loving future. This is a balance.

One of the biggest real world areas we are seeing this hard drive for cultural change/progress/inclusion is in our entertainment industry and commercials. Just watch any commercial today and you will notice it's undertones of social and societal change that are being fed non stop to the American public. Most of this is good and aimed at justice and peace, but the speed and force at which it is being employed can be troubling and off-putting to those with more traditional values, which also have a place and should be preserved. The key is finding balance, and that's hard to achieve when industry starts to become as active an agent in social justice as is parts of it's government.

Once again, a long discussion on another day would be a good one.
 

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END OF A PANDEMIC?
Damn straight! We have a vaccine and we are nearing the end...we better be anyway. In six months this SHOULD be a thing of our past. In Oklahoma we have given over 200K shots and had over 350K cases...with a population of 4 million that means we very basically have about 550K known people who should currently have some form of immunity. Once we get to 70-75% herd immunity we should be golden...this doesn't mean that we are currently golden...just that we should be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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Damn straight! We have a vaccine and we are nearing the end...we better be anyway. In six months this SHOULD be a thing of our past. In Oklahoma we have given over 200K shots and had over 350K cases...with a population of 4 million that means we very basically have about 550K known people who should currently have some form of immunity. Once we get to 70-75% herd immunity we should be golden...this doesn't mean that we are currently golden...just that we should be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
if you draw out a linear line of the current deathrate to zero in 6 months that is 225k more people dead, I am not a hawk on Covid but I think it isn't quite time to hang the mission accomplished banner yet.
 

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How would it be good for Oklahoma?
Of course it depends on who you believe and if it runs through your property or not I would assume. But the state has mostly been for it per my understanding as are most of my friends who work in the industry. I'll have to talk to others to see if they oppose due to their own companies pipeline contracts and intrest. I would bet that it is an overall loss/gain argument depending on how it effects each company and person. Maybe I'm just guilty of assuming it was good for us...Thoughts?
https://www.koco.com/article/energy...peline-project-could-be-problematic/35259149#
https://www.globalenergyinstitute.org/benefits-keystone-xl
 

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if you draw out a linear line of the current deathrate to zero in 6 months that is 225k more people dead, I am not a hawk on Covid but I think it isn't quite time to hang the mission accomplished banner yet.
This outlook is why I'm such a big support of getting the vaccine. I see this as out biggest, by far, tool to lower death rate and get past this.
 
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This outlook is why I'm such a big support of getting the vaccine. I see this as out biggest, by far, tool to lower death rate and get past this.
Is anyone not in favor of Vaccine Development? You also Cite how many doses have been given out in Oklahoma, How many were first doses in anticipation of an increased supply that was promised by the trump administration that doesn't exist? Do we know if the vaccine is effective if the second dose is delayed? How many people are going to be delayed their first dose because of the lack of supply? We have a Long, Long, Long way to go before this thing is over by any stretch of the imagination. I think we have turned a corner after the Glut of cases and death after the holidays and winter, and the Vaccine eventually hitting critical mass, but its is not time to celebrate by any means
 
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