VOTE! Election thread

[CocoCincinnati]

the Republican led Senate investigation didn't turn up anything looking into it, then I suspect there is not much there and Trump is pushing a fake narrative cause "Biden" name is in it and now Trump has you and people like you pushing that boulder up the hill for him

And possibly the reason they found nothing was because if they did, the Dems would turn around and investigate McConnell's wife's dealings with China. There is so much corruption in DC, the Reps and Dems are basically living under the rules of mutually assured destruction at this point.

Anybody who thinks these politicians aren't a major part of our problem is part of the problem themselves. But by all means, let us return to the status quo of the 2 party system run by the same small group off people for the last half a century. I imagine even Putin is jealous of that accumulation of power.

 

[steross]

I’d be surprised if there are still any undecided voters.

Most of those sorts of folks would have already starved trying to figure out what they wanted for dinner.

I'm undecided. I'm figuring out if I am voting tactically for the Libertarian party to maintain their ballot access when I don't think the current libertarian candidate is very engaging, or if I am voting for Biden as the more anti-Trump move even though Biden is well, Biden. It doesn't much matter voting in Oklahoma so I don't want to make it sound like I am deeply pondering this.

But, I am fasting today so the starving thing is spot on!

 

[Rack]

I mean he has golfed at his own personal property, what 279 times? That is right 279 times in 3.75 years. That happens at be his own business that he hosts secret service, cabinet members, and rents carts/rooms to everyone involved. Estimated taxpayer cost is $141,000,000. With a huge portion of that money being spent at his businesses.

And that is just what he does in his spare time. But again you are right he didn't take a salary.

You do know Obama played over 333 rounds of golf during his Presidency and I didn't even know he was a golfer...imagine how many he would have played if he was know as a golfer. Point being, stop falling for stupid arguments without doing some research to see if it's also being done by the other side first. Certainly I don't think the POTUS's should be playing this much golf, but it isn't new.

 

[Binman4OSU]

And possibly the reason they found nothing was because if they did, the Dems would turn around and investigate McConnell's wife's dealings with China. There is so much corruption in DC, the Reps and Dems are basically living under the rules of mutually assured destruction at this point.

Anybody who thinks these politicians aren't a major part if our problem is part of the problem themselves. But by all means, let us return to the status quo of the 2 party system run by the same small group off people for the last half a century. I imagine even Putin is jealous of that accumulation of power.

The 2 party system started in 1790 and became solidified and entrenched in the 1828 election.....but I guess America has been horrible ever since? We've been operating under a 2 party system longer than we have any other system

 

[okstate987]

I'm undecided. I'm figuring out if I am voting tactically for the Libertarian party to maintain their ballot access when I don't think the current libertarian candidate is very engaging, or if I am voting for Biden as the more anti-Trump move even though Biden is well, Biden. It doesn't much matter voting in Oklahoma so I don't want to make it sound like I am deeply pondering this.

But, I am fasting today so the starving thing is spot on!

Vote Libertarian! A 5% finish would do wonders for ballot access and give us public matching funds for the next election. Change has gotta start somewhere.

 

[pokes16]

This is totally legal, and I have no problem with it. But don't act like it is an outrage to legally use the tax code to your benefit when you do exactly the same thing Hiden Joe. Especially when you cry that doing so hurts the elderly blah blah blah...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-bidens-dodged-the-payroll-tax-11597083162

 

[CocoCincinnati]

Trump only wanted to investigate Biden and had no interest in investigating McConnell for that, which is a clear conflict of interest. That is an incredibly poor example.

Why not just admit he is a complete POS? There is pretty much no one who has defended Clinton on here, even if it was temporarily expedient to do so. It is a complete straw man.

See my reply to Binman, once one is seriously investigated, the dominos would start to fall and affect both parties. Not saying this was Trump's intention, he was campaigning against his opponent...all politicians do that.

As to your second point, I've already stated that I think Trump is arrogant, immoral, untrustworthy and a complete ahole. I don't need to admit to something I've already made quite clear.

 

[Rack]

I'm undecided. I'm figuring out if I am voting tactically for the Libertarian party to maintain their ballot access when I don't think the current libertarian candidate is very engaging, or if I am voting for Biden as the more anti-Trump move even though Biden is well, Biden. It doesn't much matter voting in Oklahoma so I don't want to make it sound like I am deeply pondering this.

But, I am fasting today so the starving thing is spot on!

I don't know man, I hope you are right, but Tulsa election board sent out over 150K absentee ballots according to Gwen Freeman with the Tulsa election board (five times more than ever), they are also opening up OneOak field downtown outside on the playing surface for mass voting on election day so you know that they are trying to boost voting in certain segments anyway. It's possible that the entire state could all go red except for Tulsa County due to these "efforts."

 

[Binman4OSU]

See my reply to Binman, once one is seriously investigated, the dominos would start to fall and affect both parties. Not saying this was Trump's intention, he was campaigning against his opponent...all politicians do that.

As to your second point, I've already stated that I think Trump is arrogant, immoral, untrustworthy and a complete ahole. I don't need to admit to something I've already made quite clear.

Trump will get the next SCOTUS pick in before the election and he has effectively stacked the SCOTUS to be more conservative (which I think is a good thing).

Why vote for Trump again if he is all of those things? He did his job and filled the SCOTUS. That legacy will long outlive him and further conservative values more than any POTUS could do alone. Trump got his job done he needed to do in 4 years. Vote Biden, take the hit for 4 years. Know the SCOTUS is in your favor and put forward a better GOP candidate in 4 to get rid of Biden.

 

[steross]

I don't know man, I hope you are right, but Tulsa election board sent out over 150K absentee ballots according to Gwen Freeman with the Tulsa election board (five times more than ever), they are also opening up OneOak field downtown outside on the playing surface for mass voting on election day so you know that they are trying to boost voting in certain segments anyway. It's possible that the entire state could all go red except for Tulsa County due to these "efforts."

Tulsa county does not have an electoral vote so it doesn't matter except obviously for your red pride.

I'm not really a democrat and the things the most liberal of democrats say is revolting. But, the completely one-sided government that Oklahoma has had is devastating. There needs to be some balance. It always makes me wonder when republicans complain about democratically controlled cities and their troubles yet republicans dominate states like Oklahoma and look how poorly we score on so many indicators. It appears to me that one-sided government is the problem.

 

[PF5]

My brother, who lives is a different state received his second mail in ballot yesterday...he's thinking about using both of those and then also vote in-person...(1st statement=true, 2nd statement=joke - just so we're all clear)

 

[Binman4OSU]

This dude
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1310956679966711809

 

[CocoCincinnati]

The 2 party system started in 1790 and became solidified and entrenched in the 1828 election.....but I guess America has been horrible ever since? We've been operating under a 2 party system longer than we have any other system

Right after the civil war is when the reps and Dems pretty much became entrenched...before then there were several instances of one party being replaced by another. That seems impossible today even though most of us agree that both parties suck and that there is at least one 3rd party that could pull voters from both...why is that.

I'm not saying the concept of a two party system is bad, I'm saying our current one is out of freaking control and we the people seem hell bent on keeping it that way. Ticks me off.

 

[Rack]

Tulsa county does not have an electoral vote so it doesn't matter except obviously for your red pride.

I'm not really a democrat and the things the most liberal of democrats say is revolting. But, the completely one-sided government that Oklahoma has had is devastating. There needs to be some balance. It always makes me wonder when republicans complain about democratically controlled cities and their troubles yet republicans dominate states like Oklahoma and look how poorly we score on so many indicators. It appears to me that one-sided government is the problem.

I agree with that. Look at California...But I would argue that Oklahomans typically make better decisions regarding state regulation and taxation than do mostly Blue states. I'd agree that it's better to have balanced governance but would argue that in absence of that I would rather have small government policy (i.e. business friendly, and low taxation) that SHOULD BE typical of red state America. Once again, I agree that balanced governance is best. My fear with the federal elections is that we go hard Blue in two of the three branches (this was my concern with Trump all along because of his bombastic nature personally quite plausibly causing a left swing), I'd prefer the feds be balanced but conservative and right leaning.

 

[Rack]

Right after the civil war is when the reps and Dems pretty much became entrenched...before then there were several instances of one party being replaced by another. That seems impossible today even though most of us agree that both parties suck and that there is at least one 3rd party that could pull voters from both...why is that.

I'm not saying the concept of a two party system is bad, I'm saying our current one is out of freaking control and we the people seem hell bent on keeping it that way. Ticks me off.

As I understand it we are going to have four or five POTUS candidates on the ballot in Oklahoma. Not that any have a chance by the two main party guys...this is indeed an issue that we need to evolve out of...voting independent may help that process if enough people did it to make a blip on the radar.

 

[steross]

Right after the civil war is when the reps and Dems pretty much became entrenched...before then there were several instances of one party being replaced by another. That seems impossible today even though most of us agree that both parties suck and that there is at least one 3rd party that could pull voters from both...why is that.

I'm not saying the concept of a two party system is bad, I'm saying our current one is out of freaking control and we the people seem hell bent on keeping it that way. Ticks me off.

Yang advocated ranked-choice voting and democracy dollars and had a lot of other shake-the-system ideas but his mistake was pushing only the UBI. If ever there is going to be a third party candidate that wins (except possibly a billionaire celeb which has its own issues) ranked-choice voting and a change in campaign finance need to occur.

Otherwise, we are like someone sitting at Tucker's eating a massive burger and complaining that we can't lose weight.

 

[Alex Fenton]

I'm undecided. I'm figuring out if I am voting tactically for the Libertarian party to maintain their ballot access when I don't think the current libertarian candidate is very engaging, or if I am voting for Biden as the more anti-Trump move even though Biden is well, Biden. It doesn't much matter voting in Oklahoma so I don't want to make it sound like I am deeply pondering this.

But, I am fasting today so the starving thing is spot on!

I don’t think that someone who is ardently anti-Trump is “undecided.”

It’s similar to disliking both team in the OU-Texas game: You can say that you just won’t watch or that you hope that a big bird swoops down, steals the ball and the game doesn’t count; but in reality one team or the other will win.

A sane person roots for OU to lose every time, even though it’s against Texas. That’s not really undecided.

 

[CocoCincinnati]

Trump will get the next SCOTUS pick in before the election and he has effectively stacked the SCOTUS to be more conservative (which I think is a good thing).

Why vote for Trump again if he is all of those things? He did his job and filled the SCOTUS. That legacy will long outlive him and further conservative values more than any POTUS could do alone. Trump got his job done he needed to do in 4 years. Vote Biden, take the hit for 4 years. Know the SCOTUS is in your favor and put forward a better GOP candidate in 4 to get rid of Biden.

I can't vote for a Democrat on a national level right now...they are just too far out in radical left field for me. And I refuse to vote for any candidate, R or D, who has been in DC for 40 years.

I could easily get to the polling place and decide to vote Libertarian though. As Steross said Trump's going to win oklahoma anyway.

 

[steross]

I agree with that. Look at California...But I would argue that Oklahomans typically make better decisions regarding state regulation and taxation than do mostly Blue states. I'd agree that it's better to have balanced governance but would argue that in absence of that I would rather have small government policy (i.e. business friendly, and low taxation) that SHOULD BE typical of red state America. Once again, I agree that balanced governance is best. My fear with the federal elections is that we go hard Blue in two of the three branches (this was my concern with Trump all along because of his bombastic nature personally quite plausibly causing a left swing), I'd prefer the feds be balanced but conservative and right leaning.

With first-hand knowledge of the long term high-salary, low knowledge devastation that is happening to our state agencies as we speak, I'm just going to have to disagree that right is better than left on that. People are people. The extreme partisans seek power for themselves and see the other side as the enemy. That desire harms the people as they are a pawn in the power struggle.

 

[Binman4OSU]

I could easily get to the polling place and decide to vote Libertarian though. As Steross said Trump's going to win oklahoma anyway.

True Trump will win Oklahoma. Tulsa which is about the bluest part of Oklahoma was won by Trump by 50K+ votes in 2016. Biden may trim that voting margin a bit this year but Tulsa will still go to Trump by a wide margin.

About the only viable option in Oklahoma is to vote 3rd party to keep them on the ballot if you can't bring yourself to vote for Trump