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Of course, that isn’t as bad as what many are doing now by saying Clinton “spied” on the White House or “hacked” into their servers.
Durham never said this. I don't think he stated much more than DNS info in the white house and trump tower. My thoughts are that they (tech company) DNS info is a smoking gun leading him a direction to investigate it further. They had/have a contract with the government, so yes that DNS info might be in their purview, having the trump tower DNS not so much.
 

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Former Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos slams original Russia probe as 'master class in deception'




EXCLUSIVE: Former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, reacting to Special Counsel John Durham’s latest filing, told Fox News in an exclusive interview that the original Trump-Russia probe was about "manufacturing a situation" around Donald Trump and his associates in an effort to tie them to the Kremlin, calling activities surrounding the origins of the investigation a "master class in deception."
Durham, in a Feb. 11 court filing, first reported by Fox News, alleged "Tech Executive-1," now identified as Rodney Joffe, and his associates, including a lawyer for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, Michael Sussmann, "exploited" internet traffic pertaining to a "particular healthcare provider," Trump Tower, Trump’s Central Park West apartment building, and the Executive Office of the President of the United States in order to "establish ‘an inference’ and ‘narrative’" to then bring to federal government agencies tying Trump to Russia.


"This was literally about manufacturing a situation around Trump and his people that made it seem as if all of them, including the president and his family, were somehow colluding or in the works with the Russians," Papadopoulos told Fox News Wednesday.
"What we’re witnessing was a master class in deception, propaganda and trade craft," Papadopoulos said. "In this case, I think there were so many vested interests in a Hillary Clinton presidency—that’s why you see all of these actors activated the way they were."

In this Oct. 25, 2018, file photo, George Papadopoulos, the former Trump campaign adviser who triggered the Russia investigation, arrives for his first appearance before congressional investigators, on Capitol Hill.
Papadopoulos was referring to Durham’s latest filing, as well as the unverified anti-Trump dossier which was authored by ex-British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, commissioned by opposition research firm Fusion GPS, and funded by the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign through law firm Perkins Coie.
The now-discredited anti-Trump dossier contained claims about alleged ties between Donald Trump and Russia that served as the basis for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants against former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.
"This wasn’t just about collecting dirt. It was about planting dirt," Papadopoulos said of the steps leading up to the opening of the FBI’s original Trump-Russia probe. "This is what people have to understand."
"I was set up," Papadopoulos told Fox News.
Papadopoulos was referring to events leading up to the 2016 presidential election.

In March 2016, as an aide to the Trump campaign focusing on foreign policy, Papadopoulos met with Maltese professor Joseph Mifsud in London, who told him that the Russians had dirt in the form of emails that could damage Clinton’s presidential campaign.

It was Mifsud who allegedly dropped the first hint that the Russians were interfering into the 2016 U.S. presidential election and he has not been seen publicly for nearly a year. (Juan Manuel Herrera/OAS via AP)
Papadopoulos then told Australian diplomat Alexander Downer of the new information. Downer reported Papadopoulos’ comments to him to the FBI.

Papadopoulos was charged in former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation with making a false statement to the FBI. The charging document said the false statement was about the timing of his meeting with Mifsud, and about his knowledge of Mifsud’s connections to Russia. The charging document also claimed he "impeded" the investigation by making his false statement.
"When the FBI came to talk to me, they asked if I ever heard anything about the Russians. I told them Mifsud came to me, and they said I messed up the dates of the meeting," Papadopoulos recalled during the interview with Fox News Wednesday.
Mueller's investigation yielded no evidence of criminal conspiracy or coordination between the Trump campaign and Russian officials during the 2016 presidential election.


But Papadopoulos did not only meet with Mifsud and Downer while overseas. He met with Cambridge professor and longtime FBI informant Stefan Halper and his female associate, who went under the alias Azra Turk. Papadopoulos told Fox News that he saw Turk three times in London: once over drinks, once over dinner and once with Halper.

Papadopoulos, in 2019, told Fox News he always suspected he was being recorded.

It is unclear which of these individuals, if any, may have recorded conversations with Papadopoulos.
But Papadopoulos’s meetings overseas resurfaced in 2019 as part of Durham’s investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe, sources told Fox News at the time.
Fox News reported in 2019 that Durham’s review was zeroing in on transcripts of recordings made by at least one FBI confidential human source who met with Papadopoulos overseas in 2016, specifically looking at why certain "exculpatory" material from them was not presented in subsequent applications for FISA warrants against Trump campaign aide Carter Page.
A source, in 2019, told Fox News that the "exculpatory evidence" that could be included in those transcripts, which were declassified and released in April 2020, was Papadopoulos denying having any contact with the Russians to obtain the supposed "dirt" on Clinton.
Fox News obtained the declassified transcript of the secretly recorded meeting in April 2020. The transcript revealed the confidential human source pressed Papadopoulos on whether the Trump campaign was involved in Russian election meddling—something, the transcript shows, Papadopoulos emphatically denied.


The transcript is of a more than 4-hour long conversation between Papadopoulos and a confidential human source for the FBI on Oct. 31, 2016. According to the obtained transcripts, the confidential human source (CHS) met with Papadopoulos and asked whether he thought Russians hacked the Democratic National Committee (DNC) ahead of the Democratic National Convention.
"No," Papadopoulos replied.
The comments made by Papadopoulos were noteworthy because, according to officials, they were never provided or included in evidence to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) when seeking warrants and warrant renewals to surveil Page over suspicion of Trump campaign ties to Russia.


A Justice Department official in April 2020 confirmed the authenticity of the transcripts. The official, at the time, told Fox News the transcript was just one of a series of productions that the Justice Department made in the wake of DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz's report on his review of misconduct of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
Horowitz wrote in his report, released in December 2019, that "the FBI did not inform of these conversations at the time they occurred" and the "FISA renewal applications on Carter Page did not include these statements."
The transcripts had been classified, but were declassified under former President Trump’s May 2019 move to approve declassification of documents related to the surveillance of his campaign during the 2016 election.

Trump, during an exclusive interview with Fox News this week, demanded that the Justice Department release any remaining records related to the original Trump-Russia probe.

"We all know now it was all fake, and nonsense, and it all makes sense now," Papadopoulos said in the interview with Fox News Wednesday. "This entire thing was manipulated with two goals in mind—to prevent Trump from winning, and 2, if he won, to handcuff him from being able to govern the country properly."
Papadopoulos said he believes "there are no coincidences in this entire saga," and said it will be "important" for Durham to present his findings to the American public at the completion of his investigation.
At this point, Durham has indicted three people as part of his investigation: Michael Sussmann in September 2021, Igor Danchenko on Nov. 4, 2021 and Kevin Clinesmith in August 2020.


The indictment against Sussmann, says he told then-FBI General Counsel James Baker in September 2016, less than two months before the 2016 presidential election, that he was not doing work "for any client" when he requested and held a meeting in which he presented "purported data and 'white papers' that allegedly demonstrated a covert communications channel" between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, which has ties to the Kremlin.

Russian analyst Igor Danchenko arrives at the Albert V. Bryan U.S. Courthouse before being arraigned on November 10, 2021 in Alexandria, Virginia. Danchenko has been charged with five counts of making false statements to the FBI regarding the sources of the information he gave the British firm that created the so-called "Steele Dossier," which alleged potential ties between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
Danchenko was charged with making a false statement and is accused of lying to the FBI about the source of information that he provided to Christopher Steele for the anti-Trump dossier.


Kevin Clinesmith was also charged with making a false statement. Clinesmith had been referred for potential prosecution by the Justice Department's inspector general's office, which conducted its own review of the Russia investigation.

Kevin Clinesmith was charged with making a false statement as part of Special Counsel John Durham's investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe.
Specifically, the inspector general accused Clinesmith, though not by name, of altering an email about Page to say that he was "not a source" for another government agency. Page has said he was a source for the CIA. The DOJ relied on that assertion as it submitted a third and final renewal application in 2017 to eavesdrop on Trump campaign aide Carter Page under FISA.
 

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The New York Times reported overnight:

John H. Durham, the Trump-era special counsel scrutinizing the investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference, distanced himself on Thursday from false reports by right-wing news outlets that a motion he recently filed said Hillary Clinton’s campaign had paid to spy on Trump White House servers.

In the wake of this week’s mania in Republican circles, Sussman’s defense lawyers accused the special counsel’s office of having made needlessly provocative claims in order to “politicize this case, inflame media coverage and taint the jury pool.”

By way of a defense, Durham told the court in a new filing, “If third parties or members of the media have overstated, understated or otherwise misinterpreted facts contained in the government’s motion, that does not in any way undermine the valid reasons for the government’s inclusion of this information.”


What’s more, while the details get a little complicated, one of the key elements that’s emerged this week is that Trump and other GOP conspiracy theorists had a calendar problem: The relevant White House network data appeared to come from the Obama era, before Trump even took office. Durham’s filing from last week didn’t acknowledge this timeline, which led Republicans and conservative media to make assumptions that were wrong.

With this in mind, the new report from the Times added:

Mr. Durham did not directly address that basic factual dispute. But his explanation for why he included the information about the matter in the earlier filing implicitly confirmed that Mr. Sussmann had conveyed concerns about White House data that came from before Mr. Trump was president.

According to the special counsel’s new filing, Durham was exploring Mr. Sussmann’s potential conflicts of interest, one of which involved a lawyer who worked for the White House “during the relevant events that involved” the White House.

That lawyer worked in Barack Obama’s White House, not Trump’s.

All of which is to say, this week’s far-right conspiracy theories were already difficult to take seriously. In the wake of Durham’s new filing, they suddenly look a little worse
 

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accused the special counsel’s office of having made needlessly provocative claims in order to “politicize this case, inflame media coverage and taint the jury pool.”
In other words they have behaved exactly like previous investigations. What a shocker. Maybe one day well quit paying attention to all these distractions intended to divide us and instead vote all these people out of office.
 

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DURHAM PROBE

Published April 16, 2022 3:31pm EDT
Durham says CIA found data alleging Trump-Russia connection not 'technically plausible,' was 'user created'

Durham says he will seek immunity for a Fusion GPS employee during the trial of Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann

By Brooke Singman | Fox News

What John Durham Wants to Know

Special Counsel John Durham asserted in a court filing Friday that the CIA concluded data from Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann alleging coordination between Donald Trump and Russia was "not technically plausible" and was "user created."
In the filing, Durham responded to objections from Sussmann’s defense regarding what evidence could be admissible at Sussmann's trial, which is scheduled to begin next month. Sussmann is accused of lying to the FBI by saying he was not attending a meeting on behalf of a particular client when he was actually presenting the information on behalf of the HIllary Clinton campaign and a technology executive with whom he worked.





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Durham in February first revealed that the government would establish during trial that among the data "exploited" was domain name system (DNS) internet traffic pertaining to "a particular healthcare provider, Trump Tower, Donald Trump's Central Park West apartment building, and the Executive Office of the President of the United States (EOP)."

In February, Durham said data was exploited "by mining the EOP's DNS traffic and other data for the purpose of gathering derogatory information about Donald Trump," adding the data was used to establish "an inference" and "narrative" tying Trump to Russia.
But Sussmann is moving to preclude evidence concerning the "gathering" of that "DNS data" by "Tech Executive 1," who has been identified as Rodney Joffe, and his associates.

In Friday's filing, Durham argued that the gathering of the data is a "necessary factual backdrop to the charged conduct."
Durham's original indictment alleges Sussmann told then-FBI General Counsel James Baker in September 2016 — less than two months before the 2016 presidential election — he was not doing work "for any client" when he requested and held a meeting where he presented "purported data and 'white papers' that allegedly demonstrated a covert communications channel" between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, which has ties to the Kremlin.
The indictment alleges that Sussmann lied in the meeting, "falsely stating to the general counsel that he was not providing the allegations to the FBI on behalf of any client."

Sussmann has pleaded not guilty and has sought to dismiss the case. The federal judge presiding over the case denied that request this week.


Durham also alleges that Sussmann in February 2017 provided an "updated set of allegations," including the Alfa Bank claims, and additional allegations related to Trump to a second U.S. government agency, which Fox News has confirmed was the CIA.
In his filing Friday, Durham says the government expects to "adduce evidence at trial" that will reflect that the FBI and the CIA "concluded that the Russian Bank 1 allegations were untrue and unsupported.
"For example, while the FBI did not reach an ultimate conclusion regarding the data’s accuracy or whether it might have been in whole or in part genuine, spoofed, altered, or fabricated, Agency 2 concluded in early 2017 that the Russian Bank 1 data and Russian Phone Provider 1 data was not ‘technically plausible,’ did not ‘withstand technical scrutiny,’ ‘contained gaps,’ ‘conflicted with [itself],’ and was ‘user created and not machine/tool generated," Durham wrote.
However, Durham states that "the Special Counsel’s Office has not reached a definitive conclusion in this regard."
But Durham argued that "separate and apart from whether the data was actually unreliable or provided a motive" for Sussmann to lie, evidence concerning the steps the FBI and CIA took to "investigate these matters is critical to establishing materiality."
Durham said that information will "enable the jury to evaluate those steps, which, in turn, will inform their conclusions about whether the defendant’s alleged false statement was material and could tend to influence or impair government functions."


Meanwhile, Durham outlines the connection between Sussmann and the now-infamous and discredited anti-Trump dossier, which contained allegations of purported coordination between Trump and the Russian government.
The unverified dossier was authored by ex-British Intelligence agent Christopher Steele and commissioned by opposition research firm Fusion GPS. The law firm Perkins Coie is the firm that the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign funded the anti-Trump dossier through.
In Durham’s filing Friday, he revealed that Sussmann met in the summer of 2016 with Steele at the Perkins Coie offices, where he told Steele about the Alfa Bank allegations.

Durham states that after their meeting, personnel from the "U.S. Investigative Firm," which Fox News previously reported is Fusion GPS, tasked Steele to "research and produce intelligence reports" about Alfa Bank, "which he did."
Durham, in his filing, states that Sussmann "represented and worked for the Clinton campaign in connection with its broader opposition research efforts" and "took steps to integrate" the Alfa Bank allegations "into those opposition research efforts."
Durham argued that the evidence is "highly probative" because it establishes that Sussmann "represented and worked for the Clinton campaign with its broader opposition research efforts."


Christopher Steele, a former British spy who wrote a 2016 dossier about alleged links between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, arrives at the High Court in London for a hearing in the libel case brought against him by Russian businessman Aleksej Gubarev. (Aaron Chown/PA Images via Getty Images)
Durham also states the evidence establishes that Sussmann "carried out his September 19, 2016, meeting with the FBI in order to, among other things, further the interests of the Clinton campaign with assistance from" Fusion GPS.

In the filing, Durham also points to notes from a former FBI assistant director that state, among other things, that "the dossier’s author was hired" by Fusion GPS to "dig up dirt on Trump for an unnamed U.S. client."
"The fact that FBI headquarters received on the same date both sets of information involving the same political campaign (Clinton campaign), the same law firm [Perkins Coie] and the same investigative firm [Fusion GPS] makes Steele’s involvement in these matters relevant," Durham wrote.
Meanwhile, Sussmann’s defense has made a motion to give immunity to Tech Executive 1, Rodney Joffe, who has not been charged with a crime.
In Durham’s filing, however, he reveals that Joffe is "a subject" of the investigation and has been since prior to Sussmann’s indictment in 2021. Durham says this has been communicated with Joffe’s counsel, and that he still remains a subject, even one month short of trial.
Durham said that the decision not to grant Joffe immunity was "entirely reasonable and consistent with the Department of Justice’s practices," given that he "played a critical leadership role in assembling and submitting the allegations at issue, and therefore would likely carry greater criminal exposure and potential culpability in the event the government’s investigation were to reveal or confirm the commission of crimes other than the offense currently charged."


Durham, though, revealed that the only witness for Sussmann’s trial "immunized by the government" was "Researcher 2," whose identity is unknown. That individual’s immunity began in July 2021, over a month before Sussmann’s indictment.
Durham said the government immunized "Researcher 2" because "at least five other witnesses who conducted work relating to the Russian Bank 1 allegations invoked their right against self-incrimination."

"The government therefore pursued Researcher 2’s immunity in order to uncover otherwise unavailable facts underlying the opposition research project that Tech Executive 1 and others carried out in advance of the defendant’s meeting with the FBI," Durham states.

In the filing, though, Durham also reveals that the government "intends to seek immunity at trial for an individual who was employed at the U.S. investigative firm," Fusion GPS.
"But unlike Tech Executive 1, that individual is considered a ‘witness’ and not a ‘subject’ of the government’s investigation based on currently known facts," Durham states.
Meanwhile, Durham says the government, during trial, plans to offer redacted, non-privileged documents containing communications between Sussmann and Joffe and redacted billing records reflecting Sussmann’s work "on behalf of the Clinton campaign" and Joffe.

Durham says prosecutors also plan to offer communications between Sussmann, Joffe and "Campaign Lawyer 1," who sources tell Fox News is Perkins Coie partner and Clinton lawyer Marc Elias, as well as employees of Fusion GPS.
Sussmann’s trial is scheduled to begin May 16.
Durham, since 2019, has been investigating the origins of the FBI’s original Russia probe, or Crossfire Hurricane, which began in July 2016 through the appointment of Special Counsel Robert Mueller in May 2017. That was shortly after Mueller completed his years-long investigation into whether Trump's campaign colluded or coordinated with the Russians to influence the 2016 presidential election.
Mueller's investigation found no evidence of illegal or criminal coordination between Trump or the Trump campaign and Russia in 2016.
Durham has indicted three people as part of his investigation: Sussmann in September 2021, Igor Danchenko in November 2021 and Kevin Clinesmith in August 2020.

Danchenko was charged with making a false statement and is accused of lying to the FBI about the source of information he provided to Christopher Steele for the anti-Trump dossier.

Kevin Clinesmith was also charged with making a false statement. Clinesmith had been referred for potential prosecution by the Justice Department's inspector general's office, which conducted its own review of the Russia investigation.
Specifically, the inspector general accused Clinesmith, though not by name, of altering an email about Trump campaign aide Carter Page to say that he was "not a source" for another government agency. Page has said he was a source for the CIA. The DOJ relied on that assertion as it submitted a third and final renewal application in 2017 to eavesdrop on Page under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
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Does anyone actually read this horse feces that the wingers cut/paste on this message board?
I seriously doubt it. Anybody that’s paying any attention knows that the Russians pulled out all the stops to help trump get elected in 2016. Fortunately for the United States. The Russian hand picked asset lost in 2020.
 

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Does anyone actually read this horse feces that the wingers cut/paste on this message board?
I seriously doubt it. Anybody that’s paying any attention knows that the Russians pulled out all the stops to help trump get elected in 2016. Fortunately for the United States. The Russian hand picked asset lost in 2020.
You got antennas on the tin foil hat?
 

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You got antennas on the tin foil hat?
Honestly it's the best content he has posted here in a while so let him run with it. Far more entertaining than pictures of excrement.

This forum is supposed to be about political information but it's turned into trolls gonna troll. To be fair it's far less combative than most political forums these days which is sad but true. That being said here, if the trolls want to troll and the admins are good with it, let them do their thing and just point and laugh.
 

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Does anyone actually read this horse feces that the wingers cut/paste on this message board?
I seriously doubt it. Anybody that’s paying any attention knows that the Russians pulled out all the stops to help trump get elected in 2016. Fortunately for the United States. The Russian hand picked asset lost in 2020.
Maybe you could cut and paste some proof of that.
 
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After multiple years and tens of millions of dollars spent on an investigation - both by the government and by the press….plus using even a small amount commons sense and not being beholden to news only from the fringe …

is it fair to say that people that still believe in Russian Collusion are roughly equally to QANon believers?
 

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After multiple years and tens of millions of dollars spent on an investigation - both by the government and by the press….plus using even a small amount commons sense and not being beholden to news only from the fringe …

is it fair to say that people that still believe in Russian Collusion are roughly equally to QANon believers?
It demonstrates, at best, that the power elite in the US have ties to the power elite in Russia. Not trying to go all whataboutism but the same could clearly be said for the Bidens and the Clintons. Even in his hand picked response I didn't see what helped get Trump elected or how this manifested itself in any policy decisions towards Russia.
 

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After multiple years and tens of millions of dollars spent on an investigation - both by the government and by the press….plus using even a small amount commons sense and not being beholden to news only from the fringe …

is it fair to say that people that still believe in Russian Collusion are roughly equally to QANon believers?
So, on one hand, something was investigated by the Justice Department and the special prosecutor said Trump could be charged after leaving office. A Marco Rubio-led senate intelligence committee found “grave National security threats” with ties between Russian oligarchs, government officials, and top members of the Trump campaign involving tens of millions of dollars.

On the other hand, we have internet rumors about a satanic, cannibalistic, pedophile ring of democrats ruling the world.

Sounds comparable.
 
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So, on one hand, something was investigated by the Justice Department and the special prosecutor said Trump could be charged after leaving office. A Marco Rubio-led senate intelligence committee found “grave National security threats” with ties between Russian oligarchs, government officials, and top members of the Trump campaign involving tens of millions of dollars.

On the other hand, we internet rumors about a satanic, cannibalistic, pedophile ring of democrats ruling the world.

Sounds comparable.
While obviously not exactly the same, it was certainly being played up like they had massive evidence that just simply wasn’t ready for release.
Either that was a lie or the powers that be decided the fallout would be too great. Either way, it really looks like a big nothingburger built up for political reasons not truthseeking.
Neither side is trustable at this point. Both are gonna lie for their own benefit. In a way, these lies that seemed probably real are worse than the outlandish crap that only the true believers grab on to.