DNC has truly become a parody of itself

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I don't think it's partisan or disingenuous to say Democrats have a little more faith in Government to make things better and Republican's lean more towards corporations.
I just don’t think either side cares about making things better. They care only about obtaining & keeping power, and getting wealthy while doing it. So the actions they take are aimed at those goals. I guess you could look at it as “who could do more damage?”. In my mind that’s probably the Dems because they seem to fall in line more & play better as a team than the R’s (who always seem to be fighting amongst themselves). So they seem to get more done when they do have the power.

Honestly, if the Dems had better leadership they would be overpowering the R’s far more due to their built in advantages like their partnership with the MSM & Hollywood. And maybe better leadership isn’t the word, but leaders that appeal more to the middle and not the base.
 

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I don't think it's partisan or disingenuous to say Democrats have a little more faith in Government to make things better and Republican's lean more towards corporations.
As @steross and others have said many times lately.

Other than long-term political spin, can you show that republicans actually do anything to stop the government from "fixing" problems? IS making law allowing one citizen to sue another about something they think happened "small" government? Is passing laws that limit what teachers can say small government? Is limiting the medical care that doctors can provide to certain individuals through legislation small government? Large tariffs?

All I see are both sides using government for their desires. When Ds have desires, Rs call it "big government." Yet, I point out the big government of Rs here all the time yet nobody seems to notice and this same tired diatribe gets pulled out.

 

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I just don’t think either side cares about making things better. They care only about obtaining & keeping power, and getting wealthy while doing it. So the actions they take are aimed at those goals. I guess you could look at it as “who could do more damage?”. In my mind that’s probably the Dems because they seem to fall in line more & play better as a team than the R’s (who always seem to be fighting amongst themselves). So they seem to get more done when they do have the power.

Honestly, if the Dems had better leadership they would be overpowering the R’s far more due to their built in advantages like their partnership with the MSM & Hollywood. And maybe better leadership isn’t the word, but leaders that appeal more to the middle and not the base.
I don't like to get too caught up in lumping all politicians together, whether by party or not. Some are good people trying to do as they say, many are not. Taking the politicians out of the equation, the everyday people who are Republicans are more geared towards free enterprise solutions where the Democrats lean towards government solutions.

Is that a mischaracterization?
 
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I don't like to get too caught up in lumping all politicians together, whether by party or not. Some are good people trying to do as they say, many are not. Taking the politicians out of the equation, the everyday people who are Republicans are more geared towards free enterprise solutions where the Democrats lean towards government solutions.

Is that a mischaracterization?
I think republican voters want to espouse free enterprise ideals until the ish hits the fan, then they look for Uncle Sam to bail them out. In that way, I think they want a more hybrid solution than they realize. And honestly, i think the same of Dem voters. They think they want more of a european socialism, but when they realize what it takes to fund it they will yearn for a degree of capitalism. I actually think both sides mostly want the same things in the end, but they are so easily distracted and divided by issues that impact only a sliver of the population. And that’s how the game is played.
 

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How are you thinking @Jostate changed the context? Jostate was talking about government --- isn't that was you believe Obama was saying....or you implying the context was something completely different?
The whole thing of you didn’t build that was dishonest. It was selective editing to get people like you to think Obama said you didn’t build your business and that isn’t at all what he said. If you want to get the true context watch the whole speech. But you won’t or you’ll still be dishonest and say he was saying the government built the businesses.
 
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The whole thing of you didn’t build that was dishonest. It was selective editing to get people like you to think Obama said you didn’t build your business and that isn’t at all what he said. If you want to get the true context watch the whole speech. But you won’t or you’ll still be dishonest and say he was saying the government built the businesses.
When did jostate, or me, make any reference about Obama saying “government built the businesses”?
You speak of “context”, but you accused jostate of changing the context…which he didn’t. He was talking about government spending —— which I assume you are agreeing that is what Obama was talking about (ie government built roads and bridges).

It still is odd to me that so many posters appear to be defensive against items posted in a DNC parody thread. In case it was hard to tell, the MC Hammer song was a parody.
 
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I seriously didn't think it was controversial to say Democrats traditionally lean towards government while Republicans lean towards capitalist solutions. The both have their points. Unless you are on the extremist fringe both political perspectives recognize a place for both institutions. Why would anyone be defensive about this?
 

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I seriously didn't think it was controversial to say Democrats traditionally lean towards government while Republicans lean towards capitalist solutions. The both have their points. Unless you are on the extremist fringe both political perspectives recognize a place for both institutions. Why would anyone be defensive about this?
The issue is this line of thinking is about a quarter of a century old. Republicans haven't been pro-small goverment in almost 20-25 years and are pushing for big government every bit as much as the democrats. Both like a large and intrusive goverment, it is just in different places or sectors.
 

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When did jostate, or me, make any reference about Obama saying “government built the businesses”?
You speak of “context”, but you accused jostate of changing the context…which he didn’t. He was talking about government spending —— which I assume you are agreeing that is what Obama was talking about (ie government built roads and bridges).

It still is odd to me that so many posters appear to be defensive against items posted in a DNC parody thread. In case it was hard to tell, the MC Hammer song was a parody.
He literally brought up Obama saying you didn’t build that. But go ahead and make posts arguing what you want instead of what was said.
 
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I seriously didn't think it was controversial to say Democrats traditionally lean towards government while Republicans lean towards capitalist solutions. The both have their points. Unless you are on the extremist fringe both political perspectives recognize a place for both institutions. Why would anyone be defensive about this?
Only if you pretend the military and police aren't parts of the government. You also have the problem of most Republicans being opposed to reducing social security or Medicare. Together, that's the majority of federal spending. I'll concede that those who wanted to cut government have really only existed in the republican party for 20 years, but they've largely been in the minority in terms of actual spending legislation.
 

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Wait…is your position that Obama didn’t say “you didn’t build that” in a speech?

Yes, jostate quoted Obama and yes, Obama said it.

What jostate didn’t do was place it out of context.
No what I’m saying is by only using the you didn’t build that words from the speech it takes out all context of that statement.
 

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The issue is this line of thinking is about a quarter of a century old. Republicans haven't been pro-small goverment in almost 20-25 years and are pushing for big government every bit as much as the democrats. Both like a large and intrusive goverment, it is just in different places or sectors.
I know one who is still small government.
 
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A little. You and conservatives completely changed the context. It’s dishonest and the reason for many of my zzz’s to you and others.
Here’s the specific comment, so please tell us what specifically is out of context.

“Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
 

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I know one who was pro death buss.

One person doesn't equal a platform.
I don't think I'm really the only one.

I post a comic (with no political party references) in the thread about Democrats and it breaks into personal jabs, defensive responses and a couple of pages of debates about nothing.

Someone posts the same thing in the thread about Republicans and the people there to defend Republicans go, "meh".
 
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Here’s the specific comment, so please tell us what specifically is out of context.

“Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't build that."
Ok listen carefully. You didn’t build that was not about the business it was about the rest of it.
 
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Ok listen carefully. You didn’t build that was not about the business it was about the rest of it.
Yea, keep telling yourself that. :lol:. I believe one of your posting buddies once stated that words have meaning. What Obama stated, which I highlighted, is called a complete sentence that is independent of everything that precedes it, and he knew it when he made the comment.