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Wrobleski was leaving OSU whether he got hurt, drafted or neither. Not many of the pitchers care for Walton and his “old school” approach. Wrobleski is a driveline disciple and was forced to change his training and lost 4-5 mph from the fall to spring. Almost every kid that comes in gets stripped down and “fixed” by Walton. He has a 1 size fits all approach to pitching and frankly, it doesn’t work with kids that do driveline, heavy ball training or are considered “velo” guys. Walton calls an inordinate number of breaking balls. He starts most batters off with a breaking ball or 2 which extends pitch counts and gets guys behind or deep in counts too often. A finesse pitcher is fine with him but that’s about it.
These young guys understand their spin rates and how that changes pitches for each of them. Walton doesn’t know anything about spin rates etc. He has no idea how to call a game for 1 level of spin rate vs the other bc he actually doesn’t analyze any data to help the pitchers succeed or understand the variations. It’s 1 size fits all.
Apparently OSU has $250k worth of equipment for an incredible pitching lab and Walton doesn’t know how to turn on the equipment. Some of it has never been taken out of the box and set up. They are recruiting kids by telling them we have this great pitching lab, access to all the data, which is what they have grown up doing, and they don’t get to use any of it. It’s long toss and foul poles. I was told he actually belittles guys that do driveline warmups etc.
Walton calls every pitch. No one is allowed to shake. Every opposing team knows the signs, including UCSB. The only guy that stands a chance on the staff is the Friday night guy and he may have 3-4 innings before they’re sure they have the signs and start relaying to the batters. This is a running joke amongst Big 12 schools in particular bc Walton hasn’t changed signs in years. Ginther at WVU joked that they couldn’t hit it even though they knew exactly what was coming.

This is from another OSU board, how do you guys feel about this and what is says for Walton's future?
 
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Wrobleski was leaving OSU whether he got hurt, drafted or neither. Not many of the pitchers care for Walton and his “old school” approach. Wrobleski is a driveline disciple and was forced to change his training and lost 4-5 mph from the fall to spring. Almost every kid that comes in gets stripped down and “fixed” by Walton. He has a 1 size fits all approach to pitching and frankly, it doesn’t work with kids that do driveline, heavy ball training or are considered “velo” guys. Walton calls an inordinate number of breaking balls. He starts most batters off with a breaking ball or 2 which extends pitch counts and gets guys behind or deep in counts too often. A finesse pitcher is fine with him but that’s about it.
These young guys understand their spin rates and how that changes pitches for each of them. Walton doesn’t know anything about spin rates etc. He has no idea how to call a game for 1 level of spin rate vs the other bc he actually doesn’t analyze any data to help the pitchers succeed or understand the variations. It’s 1 size fits all.
Apparently OSU has $250k worth of equipment for an incredible pitching lab and Walton doesn’t know how to turn on the equipment. Some of it has never been taken out of the box and set up. They are recruiting kids by telling them we have this great pitching lab, access to all the data, which is what they have grown up doing, and they don’t get to use any of it. It’s long toss and foul poles. I was told he actually belittles guys that do driveline warmups etc.
Walton calls every pitch. No one is allowed to shake. Every opposing team knows the signs, including UCSB. The only guy that stands a chance on the staff is the Friday night guy and he may have 3-4 innings before they’re sure they have the signs and start relaying to the batters. This is a running joke amongst Big 12 schools in particular bc Walton hasn’t changed signs in years. Ginther at WVU joked that they couldn’t hit it even though they knew exactly what was coming.

This is from another OSU board, how do you guys feel about this and what is says for Walton's future?
What's the potential downside of replacing Walton? Do we really think it would have a negative impact on recruiting and/or player development? Does anyone outside our program think of OSU as a pitching factory??

Would be interesting to compare how many pitchers OSU has put into the pro's vs. other second tier programs like us since Walton joined the staff. We're clearly not an "Omaha caliber" program right now so let's not compare ourselves to Arizona or Vanderbilt. How does Walton stack up with the rest of his peers in terms of developing professional caliber players?

Professional teams have wholly adopted sabermetrics to the point it's just part of the game now. I don't think there's any room for "old school" pitching coaches at the major league level. Probably not even in the high minors. There probably shouldn't be at the college level either. Not if you want to consistently recruit top caliber talent.
 
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The obvious downside is that you end up taking a step backward, but if there's truth to the post above regarding Walton's approach then it may be worth the risk. It's undeniable that Walton's had success in his tenure here, but we've invested in the facilities to become a perennial top 10-15 program - so the bar has risen.
 
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Why recruit a kid that is not your own type of kid? Who are they recruiting and shouldn’t they fit into the style of play you’re trying to utilize?

If that is true of Walton, then we need to move on, IMO.

They mentioned on the tv broadcast in our matchup with UCSB that they have 2 staffers devoted to analytics. We need to be doing the same. There’s a reason why the teams who utilize advanced data and stats are the teams that are the most successful. The teams that have been slow to embrace analytics have fallen behind and struggle to keep pace with the others.
 

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I thought nothing could be worse than losing 14-4 and 13-3 to UCSB until I saw what Stanford did to the Tortilla Throwers. That was an absolute obliteration! Apparently looking at TCU, Tech, our Cowboys and even #2 Texas wildly celebrating a comeback win over a lowly #4 seed, the Big 12 is not nearly as good as we thought. Stanford vs. Vandy in the final ought to be quite a barnburner!
 
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I thought nothing could be worse than losing 14-4 and 13-3 to UCSB until I saw what Stanford did to the Tortilla Throwers. That was an absolute obliteration! Apparently looking at TCU, Tech, our Cowboys and even #2 Texas wildly celebrating a comeback win over a lowly #4 seed, the Big 12 is not nearly as good as we thought. Stanford vs. Vandy in the final ought to be quite a barnburner!
So based on the post season conference performance, combined with our 12-12 conference record, this season is even less impressive than I originally thought! There are too many issues that need to be addressed at this point in Holliday's career. He needs to show that he can build a consistent winning program quickly, starting with recruiting and fixing his coaching staff. We need to leverage the new stadium to get the program back to a competitive level. I'm talking on a national scale.
 
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So based on the post season conference performance, combined with our 12-12 conference record, this season is even less impressive than I originally thought! There are too many issues that need to be addressed at this point in Holliday's career. He needs to show that he can build a consistent winning program quickly, starting with recruiting and fixing his coaching staff. We need to leverage the new stadium to get the program back to a competitive level. I'm talking on a national scale.
I think we have plenty of talent. However, our approach to batting is horrendous. We don't work the count like we did with Coach Ward, we watch perfect strikes with the bat on our shoulders and then swing at wild pitches in the dirt that would have resulted in walks. Every swing is a home run swing and nobody goes up there just looking to get on base. That's why the two most common occurrences for our batters is a strike out or a fly ball out. Almost every player's swing needs to be adjusted and they need to be taught to swing at strikes and not swing at pitches that are obviously far out of the strike zone.

Our pitching was not that bad. In fact, considering the incredible rash of injuries to our starters, they compensated about as well as could be expected. The pitching should be there next season if everyone heals successfully. What needs a total overhaul is our approach at the plate, to eliminate the costly fielding errors that plagued this years team and absolutely we have to find a real catcher that can throw runners out when they attempt a steal. What absolutely baffles me to no end is how you can have a team with such a dismal flawed approach at the plate when you have Matt Holliday and Robin Ventura as two of your coaches. It makes no sense, unless they are not being allowed to coach that area of the team which would also defy logic.
 

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I think we have plenty of talent. However, our approach to batting is horrendous. We don't work the count like we did with Coach Ward, we watch perfect strikes with the bat on our shoulders and then swing at wild pitches in the dirt that would have resulted in walks. Every swing is a home run swing and nobody goes up there just looking to get on base. That's why the two most common occurrences for our batters is a strike out or a fly ball out. Almost every player's swing needs to be adjusted and they need to be taught to swing at strikes and not swing at pitches that are obviously far out of the strike zone.
To be fair, this is baseball in general these days, not just at OSU.
 
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To be fair, this is baseball in general these days, not just at OSU.
Agreed but this was the most undisciplined Cowboy team I can remember. The wasted AB's and stranded runners were just too exasperating. By the end of the season I couldn't even watch a game. Certainly not what I expected with two highly accomplished Major League hitters on staff.

Hard to believe that couldn't have been improved upon with better coaching.
 
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To be fair, this is baseball in general these days, not just at OSU.
Agreed but this was the most undisciplined Cowboy team I can remember. The wasted AB's and stranded runners were just too exasperating. By the end of the season I couldn't even watch a game. Certainly not what I expected with two highly accomplished Major League hitters on staff.

Hard to believe that couldn't have been improved upon with better coaching.
Pitching wasn’t to its full potential as the backend bullpen wasn’t even able to get any consistency nor attention from Rob. I can argue to players when they get any opportunity they need to take ownership of their path, but they still needed development.

Trust me, Osu had arms and very good ones. All you saw was josh having a b….r for the big men or guys with scholarships. They mismanaged the staff or let guys go to portal and we lost Huey out of it. Weblowski was a victim of misuse and wtf is with this left handed specialist rob has a thing for.

I don’t feel these coaches invest in their players unless you are a scholarship player or the mainstream click


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I think we have plenty of talent. However, our approach to batting is horrendous. We don't work the count like we did with Coach Ward, we watch perfect strikes with the bat on our shoulders and then swing at wild pitches in the dirt that would have resulted in walks. Every swing is a home run swing and nobody goes up there just looking to get on base. That's why the two most common occurrences for our batters is a strike out or a fly ball out. Almost every player's swing needs to be adjusted and they need to be taught to swing at strikes and not swing at pitches that are obviously far out of the strike zone.

Our pitching was not that bad. In fact, considering the incredible rash of injuries to our starters, they compensated about as well as could be expected. The pitching should be there next season if everyone heals successfully. What needs a total overhaul is our approach at the plate, to eliminate the costly fielding errors that plagued this years team and absolutely we have to find a real catcher that can throw runners out when they attempt a steal. What absolutely baffles me to no end is how you can have a team with such a dismal flawed approach at the plate when you have Matt Holliday and Robin Ventura as two of your coaches. It makes no sense, unless they are not being allowed to coach that area of the team which would also defy logic.
I think the reason we do hit poorly is Matt and Robin, the college game and the pro game are very different.
 
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D1 baseball has a transfer tracker they do and if you have a subscription you can see it....in terms of the actual portal listing....it's not accessible to the public, unless you know collegiate coach who will give their username and password!! This team could potentially be gutted. There's 2-3 players that have intentions to transfer, but yet officially put themselves in the portal. They better start convincing these kids to stay or it could ugly
 
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