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RxCowboy

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I think where it breaks down a bit is the phrase "at all", as if people like me have zero regard for society or something. That's not true.
This is literally the message I was responding to:
"Fair enough, for you. I don't get flu shots, and haven't had the flu in 15-20 years. Therefore I will not get a yearly covid shot, either. Why would I? I hate shots, especially ones as ineffective as the seasonal flu vaccinations. Why would I take a 40-50% effective vaccine yearly to prevent something I get every 15-20 years?

Perhaps when I'm old and frail I'll consider it, but for now I'm good."

"I don't get flu shots... I'm good." Literally only thinking of yourself with literally zero regard for society. Which is why I think we're doomed. Sure, if you're backed into a corner by @steross you'll throw out some nonsense about society, but you've already tipped your hand and shown it to be exactly that, nonsense, because "I'm good, I ain't getting the vaccine" regardless of the effect on the rest of society. There are far too many people who think like you, utterly selfish, for us to actually defeat this the way we did smallpox and polio.
 

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This is literally the message I was responding to:
"Fair enough, for you. I don't get flu shots, and haven't had the flu in 15-20 years. Therefore I will not get a yearly covid shot, either. Why would I? I hate shots, especially ones as ineffective as the seasonal flu vaccinations. Why would I take a 40-50% effective vaccine yearly to prevent something I get every 15-20 years?

Perhaps when I'm old and frail I'll consider it, but for now I'm good."

"I don't get flu shots... I'm good." Literally only thinking of yourself with literally zero regard for society. Which is why I think we're doomed. Sure, if you're backed into a corner by @steross you'll throw out some nonsense about society, but you've already tipped your hand and shown it to be exactly that, nonsense, because "I'm good, I ain't getting the vaccine" regardless of the effect on the rest of society. There are far too many people who think like you, utterly selfish, for us to actually defeat this the way we did smallpox and polio.
You literally have zero clue what the effect of my choices have had or will have on society. None. You can conjecture all you want about "people like me", but you still don't know anything. You can only guess using current stats about the population.

If I was "utterly selfish", I'd have been attending parties, going to bars, and working in the office during the pandemic, then going to visit at-risk people as frequently as I wanted. But I didn't. I stayed home and kept my distance and wore (still wear) masks. I've done all the stuff that was asked of us to flatten the curve. I got depressed, anxious, and isolated like everyone else. I gained weight like everyone else. I did all of that, because I actually care. Someday I might be compelled to get a vaccine as well, but it's not today. And I'm still choosing to work from home and avoid some large gatherings, etc... because I actually do care, and I'm trying to do my part knowing that since I'm choosing to wait for the vaccine, I could potentially, theoretically carry the virus to someone else.

But I digress... You obviously know WAY more about me than I do about myself. So, carry on.
 
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You literally have zero clue what the effect of my choices have had or will have on society. None. You can conjecture all you want about "people like me", but you still don't know anything. You can only guess using current stats about the population.

If I was "utterly selfish", I'd have been attending parties, going to bars, and working in the office during the pandemic, then going to visit at-risk people as frequently as I wanted. But I didn't. I stayed home and kept my distance and wore (still wear) masks. I've done all the stuff that was asked of us to flatten the curve. I got depressed, anxious, and isolated like everyone else. I gained weight like everyone else. I did all of that, because I actually care. Someday I might be compelled to get a vaccine as well, but it's not today. And I'm still choosing to work from home and avoid some large gatherings, etc... because I actually do care, and I'm trying to do my part knowing that since I'm choosing to wait for the vaccine, I could potentially, theoretically carry the virus to someone else.

But I digress... You obviously know WAY more about me than I do about myself.
Virtue signaling is so much fun, though.
 

RxCowboy

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You literally have zero clue what the effect of my choices have had or will have on society. None. You can conjecture all you want about "people like me", but you still don't know anything. You can only guess using current stats about the population.
Quite to the contrary, I know exactly the effect that those who refuse to be vaccinated will have on the population in general. It isn't conjecture, either, and isn't a "guess" using current stats about the population.

Birry said:
"If I was "utterly selfish", I'd have been attending parties, going to bars, and working in the office during the pandemic, then going to visit at-risk people as frequently as I wanted. But I didn't. I stayed home and kept my distance and wore (still wear) masks. I've done all the stuff that was asked of us to flatten the curve. I got depressed, anxious, and isolated like everyone else. I gained weight like everyone else. I did all of that, because I actually care. Someday I might be compelled to get a vaccine as well, but it's not today."

And there in that last sentence again you tip your hand - as if you didn't do that with all the "I's" in that paragraph. That's who you are concerned with, you.
 

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Quite to the contrary, I know exactly the effect that those who refuse to be vaccinated will have on the population in general. It isn't conjecture, either, and isn't a "guess" using current stats about the population.

Birry said:
"If I was "utterly selfish", I'd have been attending parties, going to bars, and working in the office during the pandemic, then going to visit at-risk people as frequently as I wanted. But I didn't. I stayed home and kept my distance and wore (still wear) masks. I've done all the stuff that was asked of us to flatten the curve. I got depressed, anxious, and isolated like everyone else. I gained weight like everyone else. I did all of that, because I actually care. Someday I might be compelled to get a vaccine as well, but it's not today."

And there in that last sentence again you tip your hand - as if you didn't do that with all the "I's" in that paragraph. That's who you are concerned with, you.
"tipped my hand"? wtf are you talking about? I have nothing to hide. I'm not playing some game. I'm not trying to win any arguments. Not everything is a logical debate.

So, because I'm not doing something precisely the way you deem to be best at the precise time that you deem to be best, you've decided that I only care about myself. lol Ok. That escalated quickly.

Its people like you that doom society, not people like me.
 
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"tipped my hand"? wtf are you talking about? I have nothing to hide. I'm not playing some game. I'm not trying to win any arguments. Not everything is a logical debate.

So, because I'm not doing something precisely the way you deem to be best at the precise time that you deem to be best, you've decided that I only care about myself. lol Ok. That escalated quickly.

Its people like you that doom society, not people like me.
I posted an article a few months back about an asinine policy at Cal-Berkley that required only students in dorms be locked inside and have to ask for approval to go outside to exercise, go to the store, etc...

That somehow got turned into an F. Lee Bailey drilldown of 'what do you think the school's intentions are?'

On a positive note, I now realize I've been wrong my whole life with my understanding of what 'tipping your hand' actually means. Apparently, clearly stating your point of view is 'tipping your hand'-who knew?
 

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"tipped my hand"? wtf are you talking about? I have nothing to hide. I'm not playing some game. I'm not trying to win any arguments. Not everything is a logical debate.

So, because I'm not doing something precisely the way you deem to be best at the precise time that you deem to be best, you've decided that I only care about myself. lol Ok. That escalated quickly.

Its people like you that doom society, not people like me.
It has nothing to do with what I deem, it has entirely to do with what you said.
 

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It has nothing to do with what I deem, it has entirely to do with what you said.
So....some regard for society (as detailed in my previous posts) is equal to zero regard for society? Got it. I'm a 100% selfish individual, because I didn't do exactly as you deemed appropriate at the time you deemed it should be done.

So you're just horrible at math, then?
You ignore pieces of information you don't like?
You just like to be angry and judgy?
All of the above?
 

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I absolutely love what Ohio is doing to increase their vaccinated. Mostly because it’s giving the anti vax crowd fits. That means it’s a VERY good idea because it’s going to help to kill their political use of the vaccine as bait. I sincerely dislike people, with a voice, of my own political mindset who are so off on this and making others feel same with their stances on it and their attempts to retain power by division on everything...even things like vaccines that we should be together on.
It's giving even vaccinated Ohio taxpayers fits from what I've seen. I mean, isn't there something just a little unethical about the state giving away money to have you get a medical procedure done?

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You mean more than Biden? Cause Biden has said some very straight forward racist things. Not even things that have to be edited to make them sound racist.

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Oh sweet, whataboutism.
It's true, and relevant. Biden is the current president. Most of the "racist" stuff that's quoted about trump is edited. No need to edit Biden.

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It's true, and relevant. Biden is the current president. Most of the "racist" stuff that's quoted about trump is edited. No need to edit Biden.

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The topic was Tucker Carlson, not Trump, but in any case, anything that Biden may or may not have said has nothing to do with what either Carlson or Trump may have said.

That’s why I said “whataboutism”. Any racist comments made by any of the three named individuals above deserve and should be scrutinized. But bringing up any alleged past transgressions by Biden doesn’t magically make the ones against Carlson/Trump vanish, no matter how many times you see the flapping heads on Fox News do it.

It’s particularly amusing/depressing because you’ve just thrown Biden’s name into the discussion with no evidence whatsoever. I’m sure there’s some unsavory things out there; I have a vague recollection of them coming up during the campaign. But you’ve already dug yourself a foxhole (no pun intended) by insulating yourself against the very serious allegations of racism by both Carlson and Trump: that they were edited [note: they were not].

So when you sit there and bleat that Trump was set up, or that Carlson was taken out of context, and even if they weren’t then “what about Biden?”, there’s zero reason to take you seriously.
 

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It's giving even vaccinated Ohio taxpayers fits from what I've seen. I mean, isn't there something just a little unethical about the state giving away money to have you get a medical procedure done?

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I believe most states, including Ohio, already do lotteries so I don't see an issue with it. In fact the odds will be much improved for those who take the governor up on his promise. I think it's a highly attractive way to encourage the vaccine. Perhaps it would have been better to just pay each person a couple hundred instead.

I'm going to stop posting for a while...I've not determined how long, but since you asked a straight forward questions and have been an awesome poster on this board I figured I'd answer. Have a great one!
 
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It's giving even vaccinated Ohio taxpayers fits from what I've seen. I mean, isn't there something just a little unethical about the state giving away money to have you get a medical procedure done?

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It's federal money so feel free to be just as mad about it and the $100 WV is giving out as anyone in those states.

I don't think it's unethical, it's encouraging pro-social behavior.
 

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It's true, and relevant. Biden is the current president. Most of the "racist" stuff that's quoted about trump is edited. No need to edit Biden.

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The topic was Tucker Carlson, not Trump, but in any case, anything that Biden may or may not have said has nothing to do with what either Carlson or Trump may have said.

That’s why I said “whataboutism”. Any racist comments made by any of the three named individuals above deserve and should be scrutinized. But bringing up any alleged past transgressions by Biden doesn’t magically make the ones against Carlson/Trump vanish, no matter how many times you see the flapping heads on Fox News do it.

It’s particularly amusing/depressing because you’ve just thrown Biden’s name into the discussion with no evidence whatsoever. I’m sure there’s some unsavory things out there; I have a vague recollection of them coming up during the campaign. But you’ve already dug yourself a foxhole (no pun intended) by insulating yourself against the very serious allegations of racism by both Carlson and Trump: that they were edited [note: they were not].

So when you sit there and bleat that Trump was set up, or that Carlson was taken out of context, and even if they weren’t then “what about Biden?”, there’s zero reason to take you seriously.
The hair description certainly made it sound like you were or someone was discussing Trump. I've never heard anyone describe Tucker by his hair. If Trump was brought up, former president, then it's fair game to bring up Biden. If not then fine. As for Biden's racist comments, they aren't allegations. He's made tons of them from the time of segregation until just before the election in November. I think he's even made some since.

Trump's stuff is edited. It's not being "setup". For instance, he never called illegal immigrants murderers and rapists. That's probably the biggest one. And he said that there were good people that thought the tearing down of the statue in Charlottesville was not a good idea, but he made sure to let everyone know he wasn't talking about the white supremacists (that is always edited it if that). He also has condemned David duke and white supremacists over and over and over. He did it as far back as his previous presidential attempt. I think that was in the late '80's?

I don't watch Tucker. I've read some quotes from him, seen a few clips, and he makes some good points. But I mostly read stuff from a bunch of places. If he's said racist things, then whatever. I wasn't talking about him.

The fact that you get so worked up over me trying to have an even conversation that at least is based on some truth is sad. It's not whataboutism for me to do that. That honestly is one of the stupidest words that people made up lately. It's good for nothing other than to shut down dialogue. The same that the word racist has become. You know it, when conservative Black people are called racist by both black and white liberals just because they think differently. So bring up your stupid words and your name calling and attack me.
I will still continue to try and just talk and bring up points that are being overlooked.

Sad that dialogue on here has fallen the way it has.

Just because you may not have the same views, or the same (or no) religion, doesn't mean you should attack people. It's precisely at that time you should attempt to talk MORE rather than shut down dialogue. I don't know if the A/V people talk about me, but I know they've had times of talking about and basically laughing at some posters on here just for their views. I guess they figured it was ok behind closed doors.
It seems now that people have forgotten to "close the God d*mn door". Whether or not you've participated in it, or you've just not discouraged it, it should be a shame that it's gotten to this point.
In the end we are all supposed to be here because we enjoy OSU the University, and/or it's sports programs. That should be a uniting factor that allows us all to have a bit more of a bond than the casual political activist on either side of the aisle. It also means we should treat each other better. How many of you have stuff around at the tailgate talking sports with fellow members you don't even know the handle of, just to then come here and ridicule them. Some of us go to the tailgate to just enjoy ourselves and I bet you'd be hard pressed to even identify us. I honestly have tried to get to know some of you but I guarantee I don't know half of you guys by face IRL.

I will not self impose a time away like rack apparently it's. I've been banned in the past just for posting a video of Candace Owens talking in her own words about the names she's called by other blacks just because she's conservative. So I've had time away. And I know that I missed talking sports here. And yes I missed talking politics too.
But it has devolved so much in here lately. I'm not gonna name names, but it's like some of the liberal posters feel that they have to over compensate because they are the minority here. Unfortunately all that's doing is causing some to stop posting. And I bet it's driving some possible new posters away.

Anyway, I'm done rambling.
Gotta pack for a fishing trip with one of my son's today. Talk to you guys next week.
Go Pokes and sic the Bears.

Have a great day.

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It's giving even vaccinated Ohio taxpayers fits from what I've seen. I mean, isn't there something just a little unethical about the state giving away money to have you get a medical procedure done?

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It's federal money so feel free to be just as mad about it and the $100 WV is giving out as anyone in those states.

I don't think it's unethical, it's encouraging pro-social behavior.
If you are part of a medical study, can't they only compensate you for some time and travel expenses? I really do think there's ethics at play here. As for where the money comes from, yeah, if it's federal then I don't agree with it. But it could be the money was designated covid relief (I don't know). If it was then those taxpayers have every right to be mad at the state for not using it in other ways. 5 million is a lot of money.

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If you are part of a medical study, can't they only compensate you for some time and travel expenses? I really do think there's ethics at play here. As for where the money comes from, yeah, if it's federal then I don't agree with it. But it could be the money was designated covid relief (I don't know). If it was then those taxpayers have every right to be mad at the state for not using it in other ways. 5 million is a lot of money.

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The vast majority of people who will be eligible for this already got the vaccination prior to knowing about this award. And even now no one is forcing anyone to get it. It's just a nudge in the direction of doing something to help put this to an end.

As this points out, it takes a relatively small investment to get another wave of people vaccinated. If you want this to end, it's worth it:

https://twitter.com/ashishkjha/status/1393193108431507462?s=20


It is federal designated covid relief funds. Based on the experience of Israel, I can't think of anything that would provide more Covid relief than getting vaccinations north of 60%.