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Crazy poo being spread here now.
Indeed. Trying to move on from that, heres an interesting piece in STAT news about the complications we're about to face in rolling out the J&J vaccine (and maybe AstraZeneca). Its not just that they're behind on producing doses, but the concern that its ease of storage and delivery will make it where poorer and more remote communities get an effective vaccine, but somewhat less effective than the mRNA vaccines. The perception would then be that we're giving the "crappy vaccine" to rural and poor people, fueling the hesitancy we already see in rural and Black communities.

I haven't seen this proposed anywhere, but it seems like the workaround here could be to open J&J to lower risk groups, like younger teachers or college students.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/17...ns-overlook-facts-and-could-breed-resentment/
 

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If it really did come from a lab either the Chinese government has been less than honest about this whole situation. In my mind that constitutes a level of biological warfare. If it’s not why would they lie about it? Another possibility is they didn’t lie and our government has know origins all along. It’s hard to believe anybody in this country bought the bat story but sadly millions did.
Ya think?!

A country where the disease originated with 1.4 billion people (over 4 times the US) has only had 90,000 cases and 4,600 deaths.
 
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The current R0 number estimates suggest that we should achieve herd immunity around 65-70%. So they should be okay as long as 2/3 get vaccinated. I expect that there will be a significant portion of the civilian population that will refuse to get vaccinated as well.

The last I saw, there have been 57 million doses of vaccine administered and we're averaging 1.8 million per day. Hopefully we'll reach herd immunity and get back to normal by the start of summer.
 

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The current R0 number estimates suggest that we should achieve herd immunity around 65-70%. So they should be okay as long as 2/3 get vaccinated. I expect that there will be a significant portion of the civilian population that will refuse to get vaccinated as well.

The last I saw, there have been 57 million doses of vaccine administered and we're averaging 1.8 million per day. Hopefully we'll reach herd immunity and get back to normal by the start of summer.
At what point, time wise, will all of you believe we won’t get back to normal?


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Stupid about AGW!!
At what point, time wise, will all of you believe we won’t get back to normal?


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When our military leaders don't have to worry about Mission Readiness and can send our military to go into a foreign land where they may not have had wide spread access to a COVID vaccine....and where up to 1/3rd of their human capital Military Leaders are relying on may be vulnerable to getting sick, because those soldiers chose not to take a vaccine.

It really is a mission capable and mission ready issue with the military.

I doubt any military person would agree that it is any sort of advantage that up to 33% of their men may get sick on a mission.
 

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I guarantee you I know many more doctors than you do" and MANY aren’t getting it. They just don’t say that to the general public, but hey we all just love the kool aid.


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You sure? lol...Dude my tenants are almost ALL doctors, labs and hospital employees...I run a complex of medical buildings connected to a hospital. I don't know a one yet who has refused the vaccine, I'm sure there are a few and I do know some nurses (about a quarter) who have refused it for various reasons like yours.

Of just SOME of those doctors closely connected to me that all have gotten the vaccine, heck some got it even after they had the virus...just off the top of my head..

My nieces husband ER doctor in DFW and all in his group
My personal Urologist
My friend who I just spent a week skiing with who is a head of an ENT group and, I think, his whole practice.
My family physician and his staff as well as his St. Francis physicians group
Very good friend Heart Surgeon in the buildings I manage
Eye Doctor friend and his nurses in the building
Kidney Specialist (3x) and their staffs in the buildings
Most of the Ortho group (about 20 doctors) in one of our buildings
Hospitalist group in my building two head guys and all the rest of the group is my understanding
Eight ER doctors in ER group in one of the buildings
All the doctors I can count in our major cardio group
The doctor that did my colonoscopy four weeks ago and most of his group

Who knows...maybe they are all BSing me :lol:...You could certainly know more doctors than I do...it's possible...just kind of unlikely unless you are the head of medicine at your hospital or something and in that case I stand down and will worry about that upon correction...Also I'll throw you a bone because I'm fairly certainly my chiropractor won't be getting the shot.
 
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I trained residents and medical students for 10 years. 14 if you count my residency. Plus most of my friends are physicians. Like I said, most of them won’t tell you their real thoughts unless you are close, but whatever, dude. I know what I know. You don’t know what you don’t know. I KNOW a lot are not getting the vaccine. You know you have been TOLD they are getting the vaccine.


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I trained residents and medical students for 10 years. 14 if you count my residency. Plus most of my friends are physicians. Like I said, most of them won’t tell you their real thoughts unless you are close, but whatever, dude. I know what I know. You don’t know what you don’t know. I KNOW a lot are not getting the vaccine. You know you have been TOLD they are getting the vaccine.


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The reason I got the vaccine was because the majority (all actually) of my very close spiritual friends who are physicians that I go to church with, along with my personal physician, advised it (two of them are in my life/prayer group). If I get some sort of issue because I had it, they will have that on their conscious. I had initially had apprehensions about taking it and they made me comfortable with it. I got the vaccine personally with a bunch of medical people including physicians...so I KNOW they are getting it.

Thank you for your work in the medical community...but I hope you can see that it's ok for otherwise reasonable people to disagree on this.
 
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You sure? lol...Dude my tenants are almost ALL doctors, labs and hospital employees...I run a complex of medical buildings connected to a hospital. I don't know a one yet who has refused the vaccine, I'm sure there are a few and I do know some nurses (about a quarter) who have refused it for various reasons like yours.

Of just SOME of those doctors closely connected to me that all have gotten the vaccine, heck some got it even after they had the virus...just off the top of my head..

My nieces husband ER doctor in DFW and all in his group
My personal Urologist
My friend who I just spent a week skiing with who is a head of an ENT group and, I think, his whole practice.
My family physician and his staff as well as his St. Francis physicians group
Very good friend Heart Surgeon in the buildings I manage
Eye Doctor friend and his nurses in the building
Kidney Specialist (3x) and their staffs in the buildings
Most of the Ortho group (about 20 doctors) in one of our buildings
Hospitalist group in my building two head guys and all the rest of the group is my understanding
Eight ER doctors in ER group in one of the buildings
All the doctors I can count in our major cardio group
The doctor that did my colonoscopy four weeks ago and most of his group

Who knows...maybe they are all BSing me :lol:...You could certainly know more doctors than I do...it's possible...just kind of unlikely unless you are the head of medicine at your hospital or something and in that case I stand down and will worry about that upon correction...Also I'll throw you a bone because I'm fairly certainly my chiropractor won't be getting the shot.
Odds this guy just spent the last 12 months binge watching Dr. Who and this is who he's referring to...
 
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Talking with my brother last night. Today it will have been two months since the last time he spoke with his wife and she was conscious. He was in bad shape. We talked about the fact that the day after she died the SWMC began vaccinating their nurses. I told him, "You just can't think about things like that, you'll drive yourself nuts." His response, "How do I not think about it?"

This world is cruel and unfair.
Waited to reply to this because even with this being a message board I wanted to gather my thoughts. First, I'm sorry, that's brutal for you and obviously your brother.

With grief, there are always "what ifs" and this situation just douses those in kerosene. If it helps, just talking that through with each other is the best thing you can do. There's not much we can ever do to make the situation anything but terrible for a while, but social support that acknowledges the pain without judgment and is at times forward looking is routinely the best predictor of recovery. It sounds like you do all of those things, but what I hope to say is that I'm sorry and I'm glad you're doing the things that help you both to keep going.
 

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Waited to reply to this because even with this being a message board I wanted to gather my thoughts. First, I'm sorry, that's brutal for you and obviously your brother.

With grief, there are always "what ifs" and this situation just douses those in kerosene. If it helps, just talking that through with each other is the best thing you can do. There's not much we can ever do to make the situation anything but terrible for a while, but social support that acknowledges the pain without judgment and is at times forward looking is routinely the best predictor of recovery. It sounds like you do all of those things, but what I hope to say is that I'm sorry and I'm glad you're doing the things that help you both to keep going.
When he went to hang up, he said, "I'm alright". I said, "No, you're not. You're grieving. You have every right to be angry at the universe. If you want to keep talking I'm here. If you want to talk again tonight I'm here."
 

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I trained residents and medical students for 10 years. 14 if you count my residency. Plus most of my friends are physicians. Like I said, most of them won’t tell you their real thoughts unless you are close, but whatever, dude. I know what I know. You don’t know what you don’t know. I KNOW a lot are not getting the vaccine. You know you have been TOLD they are getting the vaccine.


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The reason I got the vaccine was because the majority (all actually) of my very close spiritual friends who are physicians that I go to church with, along with my personal physician, advised it (two of them are in my life/prayer group). If I get some sort of issue because I had it, they will have that on their conscious. I had initially had apprehensions about taking it and they made me comfortable with it.

Thank you for your work in the medical community...but I hope you can see that it's ok for otherwise reasonable people to disagree on this.
Absolutely, I agree. I even agree that it’s possible that I’m wrong. The problem is is most of the people on your side won’t admit that they could possibly be wrong to. Only time will tell. I also advise my patients to get the vaccine. I even told my parents to get it. I just don’t believe in it. I think we are being fed a bunch of crap. I don’t believe the vaccine is dangerous, although it COULD be, I just don’t believe it’s going to work like they say it is. It’s just gonna be another flu vaccine that is ineffective and recommended every year. This is what separates me from most of you. I know that the government always has and always will lie to us if that lie does one of two things. If that lie can keep them in power or makes them or their donors money. They only care about money and power. They don’t care about you your loved ones or your lives.


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Absolutely, I agree. I even agree that it’s possible that I’m wrong. The problem is is most of the people on your side won’t admit that they could possibly be wrong to. Only time will tell. I also advise my patients to get the vaccine. I even told my parents to get it. I just don’t believe in it. I think we are being fed a bunch of crap. I don’t believe the vaccine is dangerous, although it COULD be, I just don’t believe it’s going to work like they say it is. It’s just gonna be another flu vaccine that is ineffective and recommended every year.


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I appreciate your replay and hope you are wrong and that this one is much more effective for most people than the flu vaccine is...I know a lot of it is likely about money for big pharma, but the numbers are also dropping like a rock and that's NOT all because of the end of the holidays...this is typically high water mark time for the flu and other viruses in the season, yet covid is on a RAPID, and I mean RAPID, decline...We have only 100 patients in Tulsa covid wards right now which is 4x less than in early January. Numbers are better than anytime since early October. This about a month and a half after those whom are highly venerable started getting the vaccine doses...could it be a coincidence? Sure, but it looks, to my logical mind, like it's already having a significant impact in the elderly, medically exposed, and the immune compromised. Certainly I could also be wrong...I just hope that I'm not for the good of society.
 

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Absolutely, I agree. I even agree that it’s possible that I’m wrong. The problem is is most of the people on your side won’t admit that they could possibly be wrong to. Only time will tell. I also advise my patients to get the vaccine. I even told my parents to get it. I just don’t believe in it. I think we are being fed a bunch of crap. I don’t believe the vaccine is dangerous, although it COULD be, I just don’t believe it’s going to work like they say it is. It’s just gonna be another flu vaccine that is ineffective and recommended every year.


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I appreciate your replay and hope you are wrong and that this one is much more effective for most people than the flu vaccine is...I know a lot of it is likely about money for big pharma, but the numbers are also dropping like a rock and that's NOT all because of the end of the holidays...this is typically high water mark time for the flu and other viruses in the season, yet covid is on a RAPID, and I mean RAPID, decline...We have only 100 patients in Tulsa covid wards right now which is 4x less than in early January. Numbers are better than anytime since early October. This about a month and a half after those that who are highly venerable started getting the vaccine doses...could it be a coincidence? Sure, but it looks, to my logical mind, like it's already having a significant impact in the elderly, medically exposed, and the immune compromised. Certainly I could also be wrong...I just hope that I'm not for the good of society.
First, I edited (added to it) my reply after you quoted it. Second, is not a coincidence. It is because we are testing less people and our testing methodology has been changed


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First, I edited (added to it) my reply after you quoted it. Second, is not a coincidence. It is because we are testing less people and our testing methodology has been changed


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Doesn't change the hospitalized numbers nor explain them being way down. Are we not pushing for herd immunity...if so don't we just add the number of cases confirmed to the number of vaccines and that gives us a basic understanding of when we will reach herd immunity...By those numbers over 1.3 million have some form of covid immunity right now and by the end of the month, with all the vaccines, those numbers should reach 2 million which is 50% of Oklahoma. I'm pushing for herd immunity through vaccinations and that getting us back open...I see those not getting the shots as giving the side that wants to keep us grounded, ammo.
 
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