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ksupoke

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Why does government action always seem to lag the actual problem...in this case I think the government actions seem to lag the problems by about a month or so.
It takes 50 state gvt’s and 3 layers at the fed to agree. That they acted this quick is somewhat miraculous, Americans don’t tend to consider it important until they see the effect, that’s why 9/11 was so effective, people were immediately impacted some were scared and some were pissed but everyone felt something instantly. In this case as late as mid January the un by way of who told us we had nothing to worry about.
 
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ksupoke

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https://twitter.com/realcandaceo/status/1247887750029651978?s=21
Precisely the point I made in my perspective post, Ca is in the midst of our deadliest influenza season of recent history, how many who die, die with china virus vs of.
There was a well known fb player who died recently, headline was he died of covid19 (china virus) read the story, he had been battling dementia and Alzheimer’s as well as other health conditions for years. So did this shorten his life, probably but would it have killed him short of everything else, no way to know.
 

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For those who still believe India's numbers you'll be excited to know their total dead number went down to 178. So 10 people rose from the dead in the last week.
 
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Interesting...we have 28% of the worlds coronavirus cases yet only 4.25% of worlds population. Are many underreporting or is it quite possible that we are over reporting or that the test itself is flawed?

Heres an idea...quit testing for people with mild illness and only test for those presenting to EDs and those admitted to hospitals. Everyone else...if youre sick stay home. All this drive up testing is a complete waste of resources. Not only that, it leads to exposing our critical healthcare workers to illness.

Also, average time to get results is 7 days. By the time some are getting results, they are either getting better or theyve gotten so sick they are showing up in the ED and getting tested again.
 

ksupoke

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The same governor who ordered all Ca schools closed has also now ordered all school districts to create student supervision programs (in the schools) for the children of essential workers.
So the state can babysit a dozen or so kids in a classroom but play catch with your neighbor and there’ll be hell to pay.
This state is one giant sitcom that writes itself.
 

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Precisely the point I made in my perspective post, Ca is in the midst of our deadliest influenza season of recent history, how many who die, die with china virus vs of.
There was a well known fb player who died recently, headline was he died of covid19 (china virus) read the story, he had been battling dementia and Alzheimer’s as well as other health conditions for years. So did this shorten his life, probably but would it have killed him short of everything else, no way to know.
That "no way to know" isn't really true, because COVID-19 presents with a constellation of symtpoms. Let's focus on three: high fever, interstitial pneumonia, ARDS. If the fb player who died recently had high fever, pneumonia, and ARDS a the time of his death, then why isn't reasonable to assume that it was COVID-19 that caused the death and not Alzhiemers, which doesn't cause fever, pneumonia, and ARDS? Should we throw up our hands in the face of a worldwide pandemic and say, "screw it, we just don't know," or can we assume when it's pretty safe to assume?
 

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That "no way to know" isn't really true, because COVID-19 presents with a constellation of symtpoms. Let's focus on three: high fever, interstitial pneumonia, ARDS. If the fb player who died recently had high fever, pneumonia, and ARDS a the time of his death, then why isn't reasonable to assume that it was COVID-19 that caused the death and not Alzhiemers, which doesn't cause fever, pneumonia, and ARDS? Should we throw up our hands in the face of a worldwide pandemic and say, "screw it, we just don't know," or can we assume when it's pretty safe to assume?
That’s not what I posted and you know that. I’ve made no comment on anything medical related to this nor will I, I won’t be an Internet researcher. There’s nothing wrong with questioning anything and specifically when it comes from a government.
The influenza that the pho in the sacbee article was referencing presents itself with the same types of symptoms as the china virus and crazy enough it appears, if you believe the states data, it has a very similar mortality rate and a similar age, race and gender breakdown.

It’s already been acknowledged that anyone who dies with china virus is counted in the china virus death numbers, imo, that’s simply incredulous.
You can die with something and not of it, that seems to be missing in this equation.
 
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This could be interesting. Apparently there is some thought that COVID-19 may have arrived in California as early as the fall. That would explain why they haven't been hit as hard as other areas.

 

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That’s not what I posted and you know that. I’ve made no comment on anything medical related to this nor will I, I won’t be an Internet researcher. There’s nothing wrong with questioning anything and specifically when it comes from a government.
The influenza that the pho in the sacbee article was referencing presents itself with the same types of symptoms as the china virus and crazy enough it appears, if you believe the states data, it has a very similar mortality rate and a similar age, race and gender breakdown.

It’s already been acknowledged that anyone who dies with china virus is counted in the china virus death numbers, imo, that’s simply incredulous.
You can die with something and not of it, that seems to be missing in this equation.
It's exactly, precisely what you said. Then you say it again here. You say you're not going to make medical statements, then you make medical statements. You're trying hard to not believe that anyone who dies from fever, pneumonia, ARDS right now is likely COVID-19. Because we're in the middle of a worldwide pandemic. Which is more credible, that a patient who dies from fever, interstitial pneumonia, ARDS in the middle of a worldwide pandemic that causes fever, pneumonia, ARDS has likely died from that disease, or that we have no earthly idea what the caused the fever, pneumonia, ARDS?

Yes, influenza presents with similar symptoms. But we aren't in the middle of a worldwide pandemic of influenza, we have a flu vaccine and many people took it, and there are plenty of influenza tests, they are rapid and cheap, and it is easy to rule out (strep as well). I see on Facebook every day, "went in, got tested for both flu and strep, both negative, told to go home and isolate." Thus if you have fever, interstitial pneumonia, ARDS and flu/strep have been ruled out, SARS-CoV-2 is a reasonable assumption as the pathogen. It sure as hell ain't the Alzheimer's causing the ARDS, and when the patient dies from respiratory failure then we don't really need to stand around wondering if the Alzheimer's caused the death.

But, no, freak, the gub'mint! It must be a conspiracy! They're trying to cook the numbers to sell hydroychloroquine, because Trump owns stock! FFS.
 

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This could be interesting. Apparently there is some thought that COVID-19 may have arrived in California as early as the fall. That would explain why they haven't been hit as hard as other areas.

Herd immunity is when enough of the population has been vaccinated that it protects those in the population who for one reason or another cannot be vaccinated. Herd immunity is NOT a pathogen reaching saturation in a population. Think about it, if it worked that way then all viral diseases would eventually cease to exist as they saturated the population. But it wasn't until we had vaccines that we eliminated smallpox and polio.

The other thing we don't know is how long natural immunity for SARS-CoV-2 lasts. There are reports of people testing positive for a second time.
 

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Herd immunity is when enough of the population has been vaccinated that it protects those in the population who for one reason or another cannot be vaccinated. Herd immunity is NOT a pathogen reaching saturation in a population. Think about it, if it worked that way then all viral diseases would eventually cease to exist as they saturated the population. But it wasn't until we had vaccines that we eliminated smallpox and polio.

The other thing we don't know is how long natural immunity for SARS-CoV-2 lasts. There are reports of people testing positive for a second time.
this whole idea boils over from a Rush Limbaugh conspiracy theory he has been pushing. He has been really pushing this idea that due to the high volume of Asian people who travel into and through California the state has been in contact with the virus for so long that many in the state are now immune to it.
 
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us...e-better-than-expected/ar-BB12j0Dr?li=BBnb7Kz

"Researchers say the peak has yet to come. The US will reach its highest daily number of deaths on or around Sunday, according to modeling by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington in Seattle.
The projections also suggest the US will reach its peak use of resources -- such as hospital beds and ventilators -- on or around Saturday.
But there's a bit of good news: The modeling shows fewer people will die from coronavirus than previously predicted.
On Tuesday, the IHME estimated about 82,000 people will die from coronavirus disease by August. On Wednesday, that estimate was lowered to 60,415"