Covid-19

  • You are viewing Orangepower as a Guest. To start new threads, reply to posts, or participate in polls or contests - you must register. Registration is free and easy. Click Here to register.

steross

he/him
A/V Subscriber
Mar 31, 2004
32,026
32,883
1,743
oklahoma city
I agree that a vaccinated person has a smaller risk of transmitting the virus than an unvaccinated person. But they CAN transmit the virus. So again, why not use the best mask available. To put it another way, if your child was being treated in a hospital would you feel more comfortable if those treating your child were wearing the N95 mask? Are you saying that you would be fine with them just wearing the regular mask?
For the exact same reason that even thought you CAN get a head injury when you drive your car and so can your child, you do not put yourself and your child in a helmet each time.
I really don’t see how I can make this more clear.
 
May 31, 2007
2,286
508
1,743
Concord
I agree that a vaccinated person has a smaller risk of transmitting the virus than an unvaccinated person. But they CAN transmit the virus. So again, why not use the best mask available. To put it another way, if your child was being treated in a hospital would you feel more comfortable if those treating your child were wearing the N95 mask? Are you saying that you would be fine with them just wearing the regular mask?
Looks like this is no longer believed to be the case. I heard on NPR this morning that researchers at Johns Hopkins believe there is no difference in transmission risk for the delta variant between vax’d and non-vax’d.
 

RxCowboy

Has no Rx for his orange obsession.
A/V Subscriber
Nov 8, 2004
73,797
41,681
1,743
Closer to Stillwater today than I was last year
He's trying to make the point that masks don't work. But the nosocomial COVID-19 infection rate is, what, near zero?

sent from Tapatalk penalized by wearing a mask
You don't have a clue what point I'm trying to make. I just simply want to know what the logic is behind not using the best mask available at all times. Are they not available? BTW...try not to be such an insufferable prick.
And I have already answered that question, there is a vast difference in risk.

So, if I am so wrong about the point you're trying so hard to make, why not just make it rather than asking again a question that has already been answered?

sent from Tapatalk penalized by wearing a mask
 

Boomer.....

Territorial Marshal
Feb 15, 2007
7,692
6,307
1,743
OKC
Looks like this is no longer believed to be the case. I heard on NPR this morning that researchers at Johns Hopkins believe there is no difference in transmission risk for the delta variant between vax’d and non-vax’d.
This is one of my points on the other page. If both vax and unvax people carry the same viral load, I assume means that they are both equally contagious. However, if this is the case, vaccinated people may be spreading COVID at a much higher rate due to their symptoms being much less sever or non-existent and, therefore, they are not taking as many precautions like staying at home when unknowingly infected.
 

gogetumpoke

Banned
Banned
Sep 3, 2010
721
173
1,593
And I have already answered that question, there is a vast difference in risk.

So, if I am so wrong about the point you're trying so hard to make, why not just make it rather than asking again a question that has already been answered?

sent from Tapatalk penalized by wearing a mask
We all now know that vaccinated people are transmitting the virus. Maybe even at rates similar to those that are unvaccinated. My question was, and is, why not mask everyone who is on the front line up with the best mask? Your answer, I guess, is that vaccinated people aren’t transmitting the virus at a rate that we should be concerned with so vaccinated Drs and nurses can wear a les effective mask? I sincerely thought that there might be a good reason. You lose more credibility with each post.
 

gogetumpoke

Banned
Banned
Sep 3, 2010
721
173
1,593
For the exact same reason that even thought you CAN get a head injury when you drive your car and so can your child, you do not put yourself and your child in a helmet each time.
I really don’t see how I can make this more clear.
Come on man. I know you’re smarter than this. WOULD YOU WANT THE DR. TREATING YOUR CHILD TO WEAR THE BEST MASK AVAILABLE?
 

steross

he/him
A/V Subscriber
Mar 31, 2004
32,026
32,883
1,743
oklahoma city
Are you sure about that?
Based on available data that we have now, yes.

It is interesting how you can see the desire for a big "I told ya so" in the written words of some posters to the point that they are even misinterpreting data to make vaccination look as bad as possible even though it is clearly still the best possible measure.
 

steross

he/him
A/V Subscriber
Mar 31, 2004
32,026
32,883
1,743
oklahoma city
Come on man. I know you’re smarter than this. WOULD YOU WANT THE DR. TREATING YOUR CHILD TO WEAR THE BEST MASK AVAILABLE?
WOULD YOU WANT YOUR CHILD RIDING IN A CAR THAT COULD INJURY HIS HEAD WITHOUT THE BEST POSSIBLE HEAD PROTECTION AVAILABLE?

Yelling doesn't change the obvious answer from being any more obvious. Sorry you can't get it.
 

Bowers2

Stackin' Joe's Cups
A/V Subscriber
Jul 31, 2006
9,372
6,321
1,743
Edmond
This is one of my points on the other page. If both vax and unvax people carry the same viral load, I assume means that they are both equally contagious. However, if this is the case, vaccinated people may be spreading COVID at a much higher rate due to their symptoms being much less sever or non-existent and, therefore, they are not taking as many precautions like staying at home when unknowingly infected.
Rate may be the same for vaccinated people WITH COVID, but that's still very rare. Why is it a problem that 10 vaxxed people spread at the same rate as 5,000 unvaxxed? Which group is spreading more?
 

RxCowboy

Has no Rx for his orange obsession.
A/V Subscriber
Nov 8, 2004
73,797
41,681
1,743
Closer to Stillwater today than I was last year
And I have already answered that question, there is a vast difference in risk.

So, if I am so wrong about the point you're trying so hard to make, why not just make it rather than asking again a question that has already been answered?

sent from Tapatalk penalized by wearing a mask
We all now know that vaccinated people are transmitting the virus. Maybe even at rates similar to those that are unvaccinated. My question was, and is, why not mask everyone who is on the front line up with the best mask? Your answer, I guess, is that vaccinated people aren’t transmitting the virus at a rate that we should be concerned with so vaccinated Drs and nurses can wear a les effective mask? I sincerely thought that there might be a good reason. You lose more credibility with each post.
Do you really think that you are smarter than the largest health system in Oklahoma? No, wait, you don't need to answer that. We all know you do.

I'm not losing credibility with anyone that matters. Not in the least.

sent from Tapatalk penalized by wearing a mask
 

steross

he/him
A/V Subscriber
Mar 31, 2004
32,026
32,883
1,743
oklahoma city
Come on man. I know you’re smarter than this. WOULD YOU WANT THE DR. TREATING YOUR CHILD TO WEAR THE BEST MASK AVAILABLE?
The other obvious answer is an emphatic NO!

Because the best mask available would be a PAPR and would scare the hell out of the kid for a negligible benefit.



And, the fact that you can't understand relative risk and risk-benefit ratios to our actions should not make you spout the words "I know you're smarter than this." You are not showing enough intelligence to understand that you do not take one factor to maximize and ignore all of the others. This is exactly why you don't don helmets for a ride in a car to school even though it would be the "best available" head protection. If you had the ability to understand, this would have been over far before your ignorance made you attempt to question my intelligence.
 
Jul 5, 2020
1,368
292
213
58
Broken Arrow
According to one poster here, wearing ANY mask is a dire human rights violation.

There is a difference between driving your kid to school and driving 200 mph in a race car. For one of them a helmet is necessary, while it is not for the other. Understand? Or are you going to keep pounding the same flawed analogy?

sent from Tapatalk penalized by wearing a mask
Factually wrong Hannity, which even further pushes your credibility closer to the toilet water. If one mask will at least partially help you or anyone else unable to get the vacc, why don’t we just wear 4 masks and be super-extra safe to make you happy.
 
Why do you insist on combining two very different things and making a political statement out of Covid...One can believe that an ID should be required for voting and that id's may also be required in a pandemic to insure restaurants remain open. These two things are not close to similar and combining them in a post is asinine and serves no value or interest to our current situation (i.e. people are dying because they refuse to get vaccinated). Btw, nearly 100% of our political leaders of both parties have gotten the vaccine...the problem is the rank and file need to get the jabs to avoid these types of policies being even remotely required. The blame for the policies falls on the unvaccinated...not the politicians who feel forced to make them to protect the public, it is what it is.
They are very similar. Covid is changing so much in this country. You know as well as I do a year from now we’ll hear how it’s too dangerous to go out into public and vote. Even after the same people making that statement are complaining that every person hasn’t ventured out not once but twice to get the vaccine. Since its so unsafe to get out and vote we must mail out millions of ballots to people and ask for zero confirmation of who actually voted. We cannot ask people for ID to vote but nothing wrong with asking for an ID to enter a restaurant or gym because we have to verify people are not lying about their vaccine card.
We can have an election of close to 200 million people mailing out ballots with no accountability and be the “most secure election in the history of the country.” But a city of 7 million in one of the bluest spots in the country cannot allow people into a restaurant because people may lie about being vaccinated. Yes that makes complete and total sense.