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Nebraska sucked before they left the Big12. In fact, they won more games in the first 4 years of the Big10 than they did in their last 4 in the Big12.

That narrative needs to be taken behind the shed and shot in the head. IF that narrative was true it would indicate that the Big12 is not nearly as competitive as the Big10 which we also know is not true. The truth is Nebraska died in the early 2000s and slowly spiraled out of relevance and into a disaster.
Nebraska can't count on home grown talent. The state population is half of Oklahoma's, and our state is small enough that we have to go to Texas.
 
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Appreciate the "sleepy" reaction. In fact, yoh should heed the same reaction for yourself. Maybe log off the internet, then turnoff whatever electrical device you're using the access the internet, walk outside and bask in some sunshine of happy rays. Make some new friends.

The writing is on the wall,. dude. If you think OSU doesn't get the respect we deserve,.just wait until the the new Conference USA 2.0..errr, I mean, the Big 12 finalizes its transformation... It'll be a crap fest of a once decent and somewhat respected conference. Quite frankly, I fail to comprehend how any rationally thinking person could think of a single positive outcome, once the dust settles.

We all should be worried about the disastrous consequences of OSU losing millions of dollars loss in revenue..that's just around the corner. There is not one positive scenario in the entire situation
Ok, so what can/should OSU do to avoid the calamity that is about to befall us?
Probably ban that guy because he's a troll

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Nebraska sucked before they left the Big12. In fact, they won more games in the first 4 years of the Big10 than they did in their last 4 in the Big12.

That narrative needs to be taken behind the shed and shot in the head. IF that narrative was true it would indicate that the Big12 is not nearly as competitive as the Big10 which we also know is not true. The truth is Nebraska died in the early 2000s and slowly spiraled out of relevance and into a disaster.
They won their division the last two years they were in the Big 12 and lost both championship games by a combined 4 points... and were one second away from beating a Texas team that probably wins a national championship if McCoy doesn't get hurt in one of them. They didn't suck when they left, but they weren't "Nebraska" and haven't been since 1997... maybe 1999, that team was pretty good too.
 
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They won their division the last two years they were in the Big 12 and lost both championship games by a combined 4 points... and were one second away from beating a Texas team that probably wins a national championship if McCoy doesn't get hurt in one of them. They didn't suck when they left, but they weren't "Nebraska" and haven't been since 1997... maybe 1999, that team was pretty good too.

They sucked… yes for Nebraska standards, they sucked. We’re talking a program that should be on the Mount Rushmore of college football. We’re talking national championships, we’re talking The Black Shirts!

Winning the North in those years was not an accomplishment. The Texas year you referred to they limped in conference championship because the closest team to them was 4-4 in conference play. There were 4, sometimes 5 teams in the south that would win the North.

They also played in a Big10 championship the year after they left.

The overall point that I’m making is that they won more games in the first 5 years of the Big10 than they did in the last 5 of the Big12. Their demise was NOT due to the conference that they played in but as a consequence of their decisions and actions.
 

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Nebraska sucked before they left the Big12. In fact, they won more games in the first 4 years of the Big10 than they did in their last 4 in the Big12.

That narrative needs to be taken behind the shed and shot in the head. IF that narrative was true it would indicate that the Big12 is not nearly as competitive as the Big10 which we also know is not true. The truth is Nebraska died in the early 2000s and slowly spiraled out of relevance and into a disaster.
We will see this repeated in the SEC, soon.
 

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Nebraska sucked before they left the Big12. In fact, they won more games in the first 4 years of the Big10 than they did in their last 4 in the Big12.

That narrative needs to be taken behind the shed and shot in the head. IF that narrative was true it would indicate that the Big12 is not nearly as competitive as the Big10 which we also know is not true. The truth is Nebraska died in the early 2000s and slowly spiraled out of relevance and into a disaster.
Their blue blood status died in 1997 when Osborne retired. They just didn't know it yet. They still had advantages with both Solich and Pelini but squandered their time there and well they ate Kansas State with a way better athletic income now.
 
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Yep, he needs to get back to work.
Maybe. I usually dislike the takes he gives, but people need outlets, I mean unless you want even more of the underpaid CPS social workers to quit and be replaced be either a) no one or b) someone even less qualified. That's another conversation for another thread though. Let the dude blow off some steam and just call out the intense and persistent pessimism. This is all just escapism anyway.
 

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Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah? Unreal. We - at least I - should hope that OSU leadership is actively pursuing joining a better conference than the utter disaster the Big 12 is headed toward. All of this sucks beyond anything that has sucked because. The BIg 12 will soon be completely irrelevant. It's sad
Stop the trolling, Goon.
 
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A&M won a Big 12 title early on in 1998, then they didn't make a lot of noise after that. Their conference record was just 5 games over .500 over 15 seasons. In the SEC, A&M's conference record is 11 games over .500 for 10 seasons - signficantly better than their Big 12 conference record. Strictly off those numbers one could conclude the SEC is a significantly weaker conference than the Big 12. All it really proves is that one team's record in two different conferences is not a reliable indicator of conference strength. There are too many other variables.
 
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Nebraska’s demise was the result of the B12 ending allowing partial qualifiers (https://www.burntorangenation.com/2006/6/11/144322/440) and the end of the rumored County Scholarship program.
100% agree. Been beating this drum from years. Affected CU big time as well. OU to a lesser extent as Big 12 South scheduling opened up Texas recruiting. All Big 12 South programs got better as well.
 
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They sucked… yes for Nebraska standards, they sucked. We’re talking a program that should be on the Mount Rushmore of college football. We’re talking national championships, we’re talking The Black Shirts!

Winning the North in those years was not an accomplishment. The Texas year you referred to they limped in conference championship because the closest team to them was 4-4 in conference play. There were 4, sometimes 5 teams in the south that would win the North.

They also played in a Big10 championship the year after they left.

The overall point that I’m making is that they won more games in the first 5 years of the Big10 than they did in the last 5 of the Big12. Their demise was NOT due to the conference that they played in but as a consequence of their decisions and actions.
Osborne was Nebraska's Saban. When you lose your Saban, you are going to fall a bit. But Nebraska didn't fall off very much until the Callahan years. Things were actually quite stable under the Pelini years (66-27).

Folks talk like NU fell off a cliff after Osborne but that's not really true. Solich won a conference championship, played in a NC (through a weird twist of fate, but still), and NU was in the top 10 in at least parts of every season he was there, some of that in the top 5. Pelini won a crap ton of games. The Callahan years were mediocre, as were the Riley years. Frost has been a disaster.

So on the whole, not unlike 30 years in pretty much any other solid program. You have your coaches that are pretty bad, some that are pretty good, and then you have a great one. I would place Mike Gundy in the latter. Dude can coach.

Nebraska will be back among the best in college football. Not to Alabama levels unless they get incredibly lucky to the degree that they got unlucky with Frost, but the support is too great for them to suck. And where they are now is a perfect situation for an opportunist to come in and be a hero. Frost was completely asleep at the wheel and had been for several years. Lots of talent on that roster. A good coach will win pretty quickly.
 
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Osborne was Nebraska's Saban. When you lose your Saban, you are going to fall a bit. But Nebraska didn't fall off very much until the Callahan years. Things were actually quite stable under the Pelini years (66-27).

Folks talk like NU fell off a cliff after Osborne but that's not really true. Solich won a conference championship, played in a NC (through a weird twist of fate, but still), and NU was in the top 10 in at least parts of every season he was there, some of that in the top 5. Pelini won a crap ton of games. The Callahan years were mediocre, as were the Riley years. Frost has been a disaster.

So on the whole, not unlike 30 years in pretty much any other solid program. You have your coaches that are pretty bad, some that are pretty good, and then you have a great one. I would place Mike Gundy in the latter. Dude can coach.

Nebraska will be back among the best in college football. Not to Alabama levels unless they get incredibly lucky to the degree that they got unlucky with Frost, but the support is too great for them to suck. And where they are now is a perfect situation for an opportunist to come in and be a hero. Frost was completely asleep at the wheel and had been for several years. Lots of talent on that roster. A good coach will win pretty quickly.
I don't know that Nebraska will ever recover. Their black shirt program was their bedrock and Nebraska doesn't have enough rural kids to make that program work like it used to work. Let's just hope a Texas school doesn't put that kind of program together.
 

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I don't know that Nebraska will ever recover. Their black shirt program was their bedrock and Nebraska doesn't have enough rural kids to make that program work like it used to work. Let's just hope a Texas school doesn't put that kind of program together.
They don't make those corn fed kids like they use to and the appeal of Nebraska the only state school is gone.
 
Osborne was Nebraska's Saban. When you lose your Saban, you are going to fall a bit. But Nebraska didn't fall off very much until the Callahan years. Things were actually quite stable under the Pelini years (66-27).

Folks talk like NU fell off a cliff after Osborne but that's not really true. Solich won a conference championship, played in a NC (through a weird twist of fate, but still), and NU was in the top 10 in at least parts of every season he was there, some of that in the top 5. Pelini won a crap ton of games. The Callahan years were mediocre, as were the Riley years. Frost has been a disaster.

So on the whole, not unlike 30 years in pretty much any other solid program. You have your coaches that are pretty bad, some that are pretty good, and then you have a great one. I would place Mike Gundy in the latter. Dude can coach.

Nebraska will be back among the best in college football. Not to Alabama levels unless they get incredibly lucky to the degree that they got unlucky with Frost, but the support is too great for them to suck. And where they are now is a perfect situation for an opportunist to come in and be a hero. Frost was completely asleep at the wheel and had been for several years. Lots of talent on that roster. A good coach will win pretty quickly.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Nebraska will never be back among the best in college football again. Nebraska was able to have success because of two reasons: 1) football has changed and has become more athletic game. Nebraska could win power football with big kids and sprinkling of talented athletes. You can't do that anymore. 2) Nebraska under Tom Osborne was a program full of criminals and cover-ups. Remember, Baldwin, Peter, Phillips, Benning, etc. When Osborne was winning, he was doing so with a roster full of absolute outlaws and deviants. Osborne covered up for each one and allowed them to continue playing. Heck, he even hid a gun involved in a shooting by one of his players from police. That kind of lawlessness can't be hidden for long in today's world. Even Joe Paterno and Art Briles had a reckoning (not enough, but still lost their jobs). I should add that Osborne was only able to win with his criminals when the cheater-in-chief Barry Switzer was forced out at OU with the same kind of players Osborne later won national titles with.

Nebraska has no natural recruiting ground. It's a small state. No kid alive today grew up wanting to play for Nebraska. Schools today have admission standards and there are NCAA limits on who can scholastically qualify to play. Nebraska made a killing off of partial qualifiers. Not so in today's world. Nebraska football is dead--and that's a good thing.
 
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Nebraska has no natural recruiting ground. It's a small state. No kid alive today grew up wanting to play for Nebraska.
Is that why their recruiting classes have been ranked in the top 25 nationally for 8 out the last 10 years, with several of those inside the top 20?

Nebraska has problems, but talent & recruiting hasn't been one of them.
 
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They sucked… yes for Nebraska standards, they sucked. We’re talking a program that should be on the Mount Rushmore of college football. We’re talking national championships, we’re talking The Black Shirts!

Winning the North in those years was not an accomplishment. The Texas year you referred to they limped in conference championship because the closest team to them was 4-4 in conference play. There were 4, sometimes 5 teams in the south that would win the North.

They also played in a Big10 championship the year after they left.

The overall point that I’m making is that they won more games in the first 5 years of the Big10 than they did in the last 5 of the Big12. Their demise was NOT due to the conference that they played in but as a consequence of their decisions and actions.
Osborne was Nebraska's Saban. When you lose your Saban, you are going to fall a bit. But Nebraska didn't fall off very much until the Callahan years. Things were actually quite stable under the Pelini years (66-27).

Folks talk like NU fell off a cliff after Osborne but that's not really true. Solich won a conference championship, played in a NC (through a weird twist of fate, but still), and NU was in the top 10 in at least parts of every season he was there, some of that in the top 5. Pelini won a crap ton of games. The Callahan years were mediocre, as were the Riley years. Frost has been a disaster.

So on the whole, not unlike 30 years in pretty much any other solid program. You have your coaches that are pretty bad, some that are pretty good, and then you have a great one. I would place Mike Gundy in the latter. Dude can coach.

Nebraska will be back among the best in college football. Not to Alabama levels unless they get incredibly lucky to the degree that they got unlucky with Frost, but the support is too great for them to suck. And where they are now is a perfect situation for an opportunist to come in and be a hero. Frost was completely asleep at the wheel and had been for several years. Lots of talent on that roster. A good coach will win pretty quickly.
No. Osborne replaced Devaney. They were a powerhouse cranking out NCs before Osborne. In fact his 71 team is considered by many to be the best college football team ever. Nebraska already had thier Saban.


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Nebraska to B1G and OU to SEC is apples and oranges.

NU gave up a solid recruiting ground in Texas. OU has not.
Actually, many SEC recruits from Texas that were going to other places, will then look to UT. So OU might be on the losing end there a bit.