Basketball 2021/2022 - Potential Improvements

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Only reason for Boynton to take South Carolina would be money and our looming NCAA punishment. Those would be the only reasons for leaving for a lateral move. Holder not being AD any longer makes it easier for Boynton to bounce if he wants to. He felt loyalty to Holder for giving him a chance when no one even thought about it, but not so much with Weiberg.
I don't really think that Coach Boynton would leave to avoid the NCAA penalty. He seems like he has too much integrity for that. I'm just worried that SC could offer him $3.5 to $4 million per year to come home to his alma mater. An offer like that would be tough for anyone to pass up.

We'll see if any of this materializes. I'm not sure that South Carolina will want to pay Martin's $6 million buyout, especially after having to pay Muschamp's $13 million buyout. That's a lot of extra money to come up with in a year where revenues are down significantly due to the pandemic.
 

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Make a good and fair offer and Mike Boynton will stay here for the foreseeable future.

OSU gave him an opportunity that no other school would have even considered.

Plus.....
He has momentum here, momentum in the DFW area, and an ultimate endorsement from the potential 1st pick in the NBA Draft to add to that momentum.

The effects of Cade Cunningham and his contributions to OSU are just beginning.

Cunningham will continue to endorse OSU and his Coach Mike Boynton and it will really benefit OSU in the Metropolis.

As long as we just don't dissappear, kids will want to come here because of him

It's a really good setup.

Cade Cunningham is the ultimate stud.

I can't thank him enough for his contributions to OSU

Now, we need to make it pay off.
 
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Mike Mims was with Tubbs at goonerville quite a while
I don't get the thoughts on this. Cannen was clearly a good hire even beyond the Cade connection. The twins didn't do well in the tournament, but Kouma was way better than anticipated. All showed progress across the season. Since Cannen works with bigs, he seems like a huge piece to retain.

Crazy theory here but......maybe their family raised two quality guys with high basketball IQs, good work ethics, and good interpersonal/team skills. One shows it on the court and the other translates those skills into coaching. Probably too crazy of an idea.
 
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I think Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe frustrated me the most on the defensive end. I kept having to remind myself that he is only a freshman. If he puts in the work like Avery Anderson has, look out because his ceiling is very high.
 

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I don't get the thoughts on this. Cannen was clearly a good hire even beyond the Cade connection. The twins didn't do well in the tournament, but Kouma was way better than anticipated. All showed progress across the season. Since Cannen works with bigs, he seems like a huge piece to retain.

Crazy theory here but......maybe their family raised two quality guys with high basketball IQs, good work ethics, and good interpersonal/team skills. One shows it on the court and the other translates those skills into coaching. Probably too crazy of an idea.
I didn't say he wasn't a good hire, he may be a great hire. Manning and Mims were great hires for their universities.
 
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I wanted to start a new thread so the discussion doesn’t get buried in the game thread and may be ongoing into the summer if anyone hears anything on the grape vine about the teams workouts. Overall an entertaining season with plenty of ups and downs. Clearly, we all would have liked to have played better in the first half last night, but here we are. On to the next year…

…Ok, I’m going to try not to harp on the guys as much as I can, but this a discussion of how and where we can improve, so a bit of constructive criticism is warranted. Overall, we have a very athletic team and excel defensively when we want to exert our will there. We also seem to play better when pushing the pace. So where can we improve? Just sticking with those I think that will be on the roster next year. I’ll leave my thoughts, but I am curious to know yours.

Coach Boynton
Game management - Man, he grew a lot during the year; but he seems still to be slow at recognizing when to make adjustments. I’m not sure how coaches improve their craft, but maybe watching film from other Big 12 veterans and taking note of the flow of games and how they are played and then how those coaches call timeouts and what their teams do differently coming out of those lulls. Also, I know this isn’t what he is known for, but I believe he needs to hold the players more accountable. The sloppy turnovers, poor defensive effort, and bone headed plays should warrant some kind of reaction.

Offensively, we really need to develop more/better sets. In my opinion we don’t seem to have a lot of go-to plays to get baskets when we absolutely need one. Yes, there are missed open shots (the lay-ups last night… woof), but I think the point stands. As a team, we need to get better at making threes. Our spacing sucks and losing our best three-point shooter (CC), it’s only going to get worse if the group as a whole doesn’t improve. Defensively, I don’t have much to complain about other than recognizing earlier when something is hot for the other team. This is mostly out of his control, but I am hopeful HCMB can have a healthy team all year. That will surely pay dividends in practice and overall development of the individual players.

Avery Anderson
Hot damn. What a streak to close the year! I would love to see him really refine that outside shot. Doing so will really open up the driving lanes for him. Also, someone needs to show him tape of the Victor Williams mid-range game. Driving full speed and stop/pop straight up/shoot. Not much to say on his defense.

Kalib Boone
Eat and lift weights. I’m not sure what is going on with Kalib. Eat and lift weights. I think he is susceptible to mentally checking out of games and it really gets him down. Eat and lift weights. However, I’m not sure how to help or fix that. Eat and lift weights. Overall, he did improve from last year, or at the very least looked similar to that closing stretch of play he had at the end of his freshman year. Eat and lift weights. His hands are weak and he comes across as soft when things get physical. Eat and lift weights. Both of things which may be somewhat mitigated by some added muscle. Eat and lift weights.

Keylan Boone
I think being more consistent and adding a few more pounds would make worlds of difference for Keylan. Shooting 25% from three coming into last night is not sustainable. Lots of work on that outside shot over the summer and hitting the weights will pair very well if he can keep up the motor he had at the end of this year. Over the past few games, his defense and presence on the boards was really solid when he was in. I’m sure that will only improve with playing time.

Chris Harris
Before the injury, his shot was still “off”. Not sure what to do about that other than work at the three-point line a whole lot this summer. I think he has some potential defensively based on how he and AA played as freshman, but I worry how the recovery will affect his quickness. Don’t have too much to comment on since he didn’t really play much.

Bernard Kouma
Wow! He closed the year pretty strong considering I doubt many of us thought we would be getting much more than some fouls out of him in spot duty. I am hopeful this is an indication he has a lot more to offer AND that Canen Cunningham is a solid developer of big-men. BK should probably work on his agility and moves around the basket. He has pretty good hands, so running the pick and roll with him could be a great option moving forward if they practice that. Defensively, he seemed to be sound, playing straight up more than jumping at everything. I would imagine more playing time will hone that aspect of his game. Anyone else notice Bernie is our best FT shooter???

Isaac Liekele
Can’t help but feel bad for how his season ended. He clearly wasn’t right and/or had a mental block resulting from the injuries. First and foremost, get healed up and confident with himself, then he can get back to being Fran’s favorite “Linebacker PG”. My thoughts for him really haven’t changed from the end of last year. He has got to get some sort of shot going. Yes, he is a strong defender. Yes, he is a great rebounder; but man, he is a liability on offense at times as our spacing falls off a cliff when he is not playing PF. I didn’t by into all the talk about his improvement from 3 over the summer. Sure, he hit 44% from the arc this season, but NO ONE respected his shot there. Hell, he passed up so many wide-open chances, even in rhythm. It was maddening to watch. Also, FT shooting? Dude….

Matthew-Alexander Moncrieffe
Gosh he is going to be a great 4-year player here if he can settle down a bit. Such a springy athlete who, entertaining to me, seems to run like a deer on his toes. He really needs to develop some more B-Ball IQ so the game slows down for him. Seems like if he gets the ball, he is driving to the basket, hell or high water. And he is going in despite having worse handle than Lebryan Nash, who used to infuriate me when he would bring the ball all the way down the court and not pass. That said, work on his handle, like a LOT if he is going to continue to drive. That said, he should continue to drive since his springiness is a big asset. Putting on a few more pounds to help absorb that Big 12 contact will keep him healthier in the long run. O-yeah, free throws. As an annoying commercial said to us all night… Free. Free-free-free-free-free. If you are going to whirling dervish into the paint over and over, don’t hurt your team by being a huge liability at the charity stripe.

Rondel Walker
I think RW has huge potential but hit a freshman wall. His shot has been off for a month or so. Another poster in the game thread mentioned a brace of something on one of his fingers, so maybe that is the issue. Whatever AA did over the last summer, RW needs to emulate that. Weight room and 5-10 pounds of muscle. Tighten up the handle. Refine that outside shot. Film room so that game can slow down a bit more. Really good defender with great hops, but watching tape on AA and how he operates at that end of the floor will pay dividends. I’m excited for his future here.

Bryce Williams
I’m not sure what to say about BW since he is already a senior. He is an elite athlete and that translates to excellent defense. His outside shot is pretty good, but he can be streaky. Also, he has a lot of bone headed plays that result in turnovers. Maybe more film time and refining the three-point shot. I would say that if he is going to continue as the back-up PG in any manner, tightening up the handle would be prudent.

Donavan Williams
Don’t have enough game film on him to make a great list of things to work on. So lets say FT’s and the outside shot.

Cade Cunningham
LOL, riiight. IF IF IF he stayed, his high dribble needs work. I don’t think I can complain about his shooting at all. And his defense is solid when he is engaged. Other than that high slow dribble, he needs to jump on teams from the tip. I get that he a smart player who appears to let the game come to him, but as the best offensive player on the court I sure would like to see that dominance earlier.

Also, just wanted to say this is one of the better posts I have read on this forum. I enjoyed reading it. Cheers.
 
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Sorry. I wasn't clear that I was more or less agreeing with you and confused why anyone would think cannen is gone after this year.
When we hired Cannen Cunningham, we demoted and ultimately lost John Cooper. Cooper had 26 years of collegiate coaching experience, including 8 years as a head coach. Cunningham had 2 years of middle school/AAU coaching experience and 1 year of experience as a video coordinator. He wasn't really qualified for the job, and I'm not sure if the plan was to keep him long term.

All that being said, I don't really care what his resume looked like coming to OSU. All I really care is whether or not he can recruit, develop, and coach at a high level. If he brings as much value to the staff as a veteran assistant, he should be retained.
 

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When we hired Cannen Cunningham, we demoted and ultimately lost John Cooper. Cooper had 26 years of collegiate coaching experience, including 8 years as a head coach. Cunningham had 2 years of middle school/AAU coaching experience and 1 year of experience as a video coordinator. He wasn't really qualified for the job, and I'm not sure if the plan was to keep him long term.

All that being said, I don't really care what his resume looked like coming to OSU. All I really care is whether or not he can recruit, develop, and coach at a high level. If he brings as much value to the staff as a veteran assistant, he should be retained.
He currently makes $200,000 per year and his contract expires in a week. He needs a decent raise.
 

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A few thoughts.
The ncaa taking it's time on the appeal, was helpful to us until selection Sunday. Now it's an anchor weighing down our recruiting with uncertainty. Regardless of the decision, I hope it comes quickly. Knowing the NCAA, they'll uphold the ban in August leaving us no time to replace any who transfer out. (Not saying any would but you never know).

I can't speak for Boynton but for me, going back to my alma mater would not be a lateral move, I would see it as a step up. If USC wants him, I would not blame him for taking it.

As for his coaching, I'm still not 100% sold on him, but he did enough this year for me to want him to stay. He's earned the chance to see how he can do without an nba lottery pick. And he deserves the chance to do it without the black cloud of the ncaa hanging over the program.

I have no problem giving him a raise and an extension but please for the love of God, not a ten year contract.
 
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Also, just wanted to say this is one of the better posts I have read on this forum. I enjoyed reading it. Cheers.
Thanks! I really enjoy talking about everything basketball as it relates to our Pokes. Hoping this post spurns more discussion about the team. OSU Basketball is my first sports love. Was fortunate to be in school during some of the prime Eddie years ('00-'06), so it was easy to get excited and really into things. Miss having season tickets, but time and $ have to go to other things these days.
 
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Only reason for Boynton to take South Carolina would be money and our looming NCAA punishment. Those would be the only reasons for leaving for a lateral move. Holder not being AD any longer makes it easier for Boynton to bounce if he wants to. He felt loyalty to Holder for giving him a chance when no one even thought about it, but not so much with Weiberg.
Lateral move?!? You cut me, man, you cut me deep...
 
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Lateral move?!? You cut me, man, you cut me deep...
Lateral when you add in it's his alma mater.

I don't think OSU is one of the top jobs in the Big 12 nor do I think it's one of the worst. South Carolina is not one of the best jobs in the SEC. One might consider it in the bottom third of jobs there though.
 
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Will Williams and Flavors return as super seniors?
One of my questions has been answered, because Flavors entered the transfer portal. This is probably best for both parties, because things didn't really work out for him here. I wish him luck wherever he lands.

 

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One of my questions has been answered, because Flavors entered the transfer portal. This is probably best for both parties, because things didn't really work out for him here. I wish him luck wherever he lands.

Good luck to the young man. He was not able to find enough court time to get into a rhythm shooting the ball. Probably saw the writing on the wall that he was, at best, the 5th guard next year behind AA, Ice, Keylan Boone and Rondel. Not even accounting for Chris Harris. I mean if college basketball is our ceiling then go somewhere you can play more.
 
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Good luck to the young man. He was not able to find enough court time to get into a rhythm shooting the ball. Probably saw the writing on the wall that he was, at best, the 5th guard next year behind AA, Ice, Keylan Boone and Rondel. Not even accounting for Chris Harris. I mean if college basketball is our ceiling then go somewhere you can play more.
I disagree here. According to ESPN stats, he averaged 11.6 minutes per game over the season. This was heavily skewed towards earlier in the year when he was a starter and had plenty of minutes to get settled in. Unfortunately, I don't believe he was skilled enough to hold his own at the Big 12 level. Wish him well in future endeavors, but I am not surprised at the news of his transfer.
 
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I disagree here. According to ESPN stats, he averaged 11.6 minutes per game over the season. This was heavily skewed towards earlier in the year when he was a starter and had plenty of minutes to get settled in. Unfortunately, I don't believe he was skilled enough to hold his own at the Big 12 level. Wish him well in future endeavors, but I am not surprised at the news of his transfer.
After the first 7 games, he was averaging 19 minutes.

He also had a 4 game stretch in February with good minutes. 19, 16, 18, 17. Then in March @ Baylor 12, @ WV 18 minutes.

It just seemed like he was pressing out their and it resulted in some poor shot selections early in the clock. Like if he felt if he didn't shoot, he was never going to get another opportunity.

Best of luck to him.