2021 DC Replacement Thread

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He sucked with resources. He will suck worse with less resources
Not as a DC he didn’t.
2003 LSU - allowed only 11 points per game. No team scored more than 24 points (LSU beat Arkansas 55-24), and only one other scored more than 14 (the Tigers lost 19-7 to Florida). Overall, the Tigers allowed just 19 touchdowns all season, which were the fewest in the nation. Also allowed just 252 total yards per game, which led the country. Second nationally in passing efficiency defense (89.8) and ranked third overall in rushing defense.

2006 Auburn - held opponents to 13.9 points and 292.3 yards per game, both of which ranked in the nation’s top ten. The Tigers allowed just 21 touchdowns all season – the eighth fewest of any team in the country.

2007 LSU - ranked sixth nationally in total defense, pass defense and scoring defense.

2009 Texas - allowed only 73 rushing yards, which not only made them the nation’s best rushing defense, but the best rushing defense in a three-year period from 2008-10.Overall, the Longhorns ranked third in total defense (251.9 yards per game), 12th in scoring defense (16.7 points per game) and 19th in pass defense (179.6 yards per game).

2012 Florida - ranked fifth nationally in both scoring defense (14.5 points per game) and total defense (287.5 yards per game) and held opponents to just 94.9 rushing yards on average. Muschamp’s defense allowed only seven passing touchdowns all season, which were the second fewest in the country, and the Gators allowed only 32 points in the fourth quarter all season. Florida ranked second nationally in pass efficiency defense (95.55) and seventh in turnover margin (plus-15)
 

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Not as a DC he didn’t.
2003 LSU - allowed only 11 points per game. No team scored more than 24 points (LSU beat Arkansas 55-24), and only one other scored more than 14 (the Tigers lost 19-7 to Florida). Overall, the Tigers allowed just 19 touchdowns all season, which were the fewest in the nation. Also allowed just 252 total yards per game, which led the country. Second nationally in passing efficiency defense (89.8) and ranked third overall in rushing defense.

2006 Auburn - held opponents to 13.9 points and 292.3 yards per game, both of which ranked in the nation’s top ten. The Tigers allowed just 21 touchdowns all season – the eighth fewest of any team in the country.

2007 LSU - ranked sixth nationally in total defense, pass defense and scoring defense.

2009 Texas - allowed only 73 rushing yards, which not only made them the nation’s best rushing defense, but the best rushing defense in a three-year period from 2008-10.Overall, the Longhorns ranked third in total defense (251.9 yards per game), 12th in scoring defense (16.7 points per game) and 19th in pass defense (179.6 yards per game).

2012 Florida - ranked fifth nationally in both scoring defense (14.5 points per game) and total defense (287.5 yards per game) and held opponents to just 94.9 rushing yards on average. Muschamp’s defense allowed only seven passing touchdowns all season, which were the second fewest in the country, and the Gators allowed only 32 points in the fourth quarter all season. Florida ranked second nationally in pass efficiency defense (95.55) and seventh in turnover margin (plus-15)
Muschamp was a great DC. I'd never want him as a HC but as a DC he would be an amazing hire IMO.
 

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I would say all those guys, sans coach roach, are / were pretty good coaches…it was a time of steallar QB play in the conference and defenses across the board were attempting to catch up. Under each of the coaches mentioned we had very good to great teams. Tim Beckman became a head coach, Bill Young became a celebrated high school coach, Glenn Spencer was an amazing guy and instructor of young men…not sure where he is now. IMHO Knowles success is on his guys…we have been recruiting more defensive players the last five years to prepare for what we have now.
You said he found "amazing" assistants. I wouldn't call any of those guys "amazing". They might have been "good" or "ok" or "adequate", but not "amazing". Of the coaches that Gundy has hired, I would say that Holgorsen and Knowles have been amazing. They represent the minority. Monken was very good, but mostly riding on the success of Holgorsen. All the others....? Meh.
 

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Auburn Defense 2014 and 2015Stat20142015Total Defense398.8 YPG426.2 YPGYards Per Play5.675.75Rush Defense168.77 YPG197.67 YPGPass Defense230.1 YPG228.5 YPGScoring Defense26.7 PPG25.7 PPG3rd Down Conv. %35.7545.68Red Zone TD %55.5661.54
 
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Auburn Defense 2014 and 2015Stat20142015Total Defense398.8 YPG426.2 YPGYards Per Play5.675.75Rush Defense168.77 YPG197.67 YPGPass Defense230.1 YPG228.5 YPGScoring Defense26.7 PPG25.7 PPG3rd Down Conv. %35.7545.68Red Zone TD %55.5661.54
He has a track record of being a damn good DC. You can’t deny that.
 
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Honestly, I have a hot take….

Hear me out….. Maybe Knowles isn’t THAT great….And won’t be that hard to replace!

Our defense was IMHO the best we have ever had… but… I think the stars aligned a bit.

1. A defense loaded with super-seniors. Especially with a lot of guys that left it on the field.

2. A lot of teams in the B12 had one of their best years defensively. Never have scores been this low. Multiple B12 teams ranked high in total defense. I think this is two parts.

2a. A lot of teams had super seniors which favors the defense.

2b. Big12 offenses were not good. No offense to SS… But he was 1st team Big12 qb. Compare his season to normal top qb play in our league.

we’re going to have an experienced defense back that understands the system and what it takes to be successful. As long as there are no drastic changes, I think will be fine - regardless who the DC is.
 

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Total Defense 398.8 YPG 426.2 YPG

Yards Per Play 5.67 5.75
Rush Defense 168.77 YPG 197.67 YPG

Pass Defense 230.1 YPG 228.5 YPG


Scoring Defense 26.7 PPG 25.7 PPG

3rd Down Conv. % 35.75 45.68

Red Zone TD % 55.56 61.54
 
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Glenn Spencer? Sean Gleeson? Vance Bedford? Bill Young? Tim Beckman?
Spencer and Beckman went on to be head coaches. Young was at the tail end of his career. Bedford was average just couldn't hang in the Big 12 at that time.

I'll give you Gleeson. He didn't fit here at all.

So he's basically hitting .800 for his career. Few home runs, couple singles and doubles and one or two misses.

Not sure who other than Saban has been much better.
 

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Not as a DC he didn’t.
2003 LSU - allowed only 11 points per game. No team scored more than 24 points (LSU beat Arkansas 55-24), and only one other scored more than 14 (the Tigers lost 19-7 to Florida). Overall, the Tigers allowed just 19 touchdowns all season, which were the fewest in the nation. Also allowed just 252 total yards per game, which led the country. Second nationally in passing efficiency defense (89.8) and ranked third overall in rushing defense.

2006 Auburn - held opponents to 13.9 points and 292.3 yards per game, both of which ranked in the nation’s top ten. The Tigers allowed just 21 touchdowns all season – the eighth fewest of any team in the country.

2007 LSU - ranked sixth nationally in total defense, pass defense and scoring defense.

2009 Texas - allowed only 73 rushing yards, which not only made them the nation’s best rushing defense, but the best rushing defense in a three-year period from 2008-10.Overall, the Longhorns ranked third in total defense (251.9 yards per game), 12th in scoring defense (16.7 points per game) and 19th in pass defense (179.6 yards per game).

2012 Florida - ranked fifth nationally in both scoring defense (14.5 points per game) and total defense (287.5 yards per game) and held opponents to just 94.9 rushing yards on average. Muschamp’s defense allowed only seven passing touchdowns all season, which were the second fewest in the country, and the Gators allowed only 32 points in the fourth quarter all season. Florida ranked second nationally in pass efficiency defense (95.55) and seventh in turnover margin (plus-15)
All of those places have something that we don't have right now. The ability to recruit 4 and 5 star athletes and money.
 
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All of those places have something that we don't have right now. The ability to recruit 4 and 5 star athletes and money.
Just like we don’t know if Knowles can get it done with 4 or 5 stars, we don’t know if Muschamp can get it done with less. I’m not saying he’d be my first choice, but I don’t see it being a horrible hire.
 
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Here's the thing. Does JBC want it? If he gets it and ends up being terrible then we have to fire him. Do you want to risk losing one of the best positional coaches in the country on a hire that would be considered a reach? Promoting unproven positional coaches doesn't usually work out. Look at Dunn. Hes an amazing WR coach and a subpar OC.
I asked this earlier and haven’t gotten a response and I think it’s relevant to what your saying.

What will JBC think about not being made the DC?
 
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Honestly, I have a hot take….

Hear me out….. Maybe Knowles isn’t THAT great….And won’t be that hard to replace!

Our defense was IMHO the best we have ever had… but… I think the stars aligned a bit.

1. A defense loaded with super-seniors. Especially with a lot of guys that left it on the field.

2. A lot of teams in the B12 had one of their best years defensively. Never have scores been this low. Multiple B12 teams ranked high in total defense. I think this is two parts.

2a. A lot of teams had super seniors which favors the defense.

2b. Big12 offenses were not good. No offense to SS… But he was 1st team Big12 qb. Compare his season to normal top qb play in our league.

we’re going to have an experienced defense back that understands the system and what it takes to be successful. As long as there are no drastic changes, I think will be fine - regardless who the DC is.

Nice spin. Might be some validity to it.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by “system” ?
That seems to imply Pokes would need someone who knows the same system to plug and play with the current players and recruits.
 
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Spencer and Beckman went on to be head coaches. Young was at the tail end of his career. Bedford was average just couldn't hang in the Big 12 at that time.

I'll give you Gleeson. He didn't fit here at all.

So he's basically hitting .800 for his career. Few home runs, couple singles and doubles and one or two misses.

Not sure who other than Saban has been much better.
If I’m not mistaken, Fedora and Monken both left to be head coaches at Southern Miss. Fedora then went on to UNC.
 

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Spencer and Beckman went on to be head coaches. Young was at the tail end of his career. Bedford was average just couldn't hang in the Big 12 at that time.

I'll give you Gleeson. He didn't fit here at all.

So he's basically hitting .800 for his career. Few home runs, couple singles and doubles and one or two misses.

Not sure who other than Saban has been much better.
Depends on your metric, I suppose. The batting average comparison is silly, because the best hitters of all-time never hit close to 0.800 for their career. It's apples to oranges.

I'm not saying Gundy has been terrible at hiring assistants. But of the ones he's hired, I'd put Fedora, Knowles, Holgorsen, and Monken in the good category, and at least that many in the average to below average category. In my view he does a decent, not great job; enough that I'll take a wait and see approach on it, like always. To be fair - our budget doesn't allow us to just go out and buy whoever we want, so Gundy's approach requires him to be more creative with hires.

My concern is that he will revert back to "getting tired of looking for coordinators every couple of years". If that's his attitude, then gtfo. I want the HC looking for the best that our budget allows, and if that requires him to find new ones every year so we can have max success, then so be it.