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Oct 7, 2008
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No Conflict....doh....Wait nevermind, his properties brought in millions from tax payer money. Even in the UK where they were sending troops to his properties.

Also his Son in law was denied security clearance until the POTUS intervened. He then went on the sell nukes to Saudi Arabia. The same country that backed his loans for apartment complexes.... Doh

Oh and his daughter received intellectual property from China while holding office. Doh

Oh and Trump pulled troops that threatened Turkey when every military person strongly disagreed. Trump does have a large Hotel in Istanbul underwritten by Turkish money. Doh

Nothing to see here though. Just a smart business man who is $100's of millions in debt to foreign entities.
I'm pretty sure my two year old nephew could turn a profit in the casino and real estate business and yet this man has managed to lose just massive amounts of money on terrible investments and business ventures. Everyone knows the emperor has no clothes. History will remember him for the fraud he is. Republicans are just too personally invested and too deep in their news bubbles to be able to admit it.
 
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Paying $1.6M for a PR stunt to the US Treasury vs paying $1.6M in federal income taxes to the US Treasury.

You are going to have to tell me how the $1.6M is different.
Man you're trying so hard to miss the point. The $1.6M he didn't take in salary pales in comparison to what he and his family are getting from domestic and foreign entities by using the office as his own personal piggy bank. That's why it's a PR stunt.
 
Mar 11, 2006
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Man you're trying so hard to miss the point. The $1.6M he didn't take in salary pales in comparison to what he and his family are getting from domestic and foreign entities by using the office as his own personal piggy bank. That's why it's a PR stunt.
If he did something illegal he should be charged. What did the family members do by “using the office” as a “personal piggy bank”?
* Did they receive $3.5M from Russia?
* Did they participate in a scheme with China and John Kerry’s stepson for several million dollars?
* Did a family member sit on a board of a Ukrainian energy firm during his Presidency?
* Did Trump threaten to withhold money from a country if that country did not stop investigating one of his family members?

Tax avoidance is NOT illegal despite of the misplaced disgust in this thread.
 
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If he did something illegal he should be charged. What did the family members do by “using the office” as a “personal piggy bank”?
* Did they receive $3.5M from Russia?
* Did they participate in a scheme with China and John Kerry’s stepson for several million dollars?
* Did a family member sit on a board of a Ukrainian energy firm during his Presidency?
* Did Trump threaten to withhold money from a country if that country did not stop investigating one of his family members?

Tax avoidance is NOT illegal despite of the misplaced disgust in this thread.
Is your mind trained to automatically block things that disagree with your worldview or what kind of voodoo magic is this? See the post directly above yours from @311Cowboy for a good start.

And I didn't say a word about tax avoidance. That's not the issue. The issue is the leverage entities have over him because of the massive amount of debt he owes.
 
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Is your mind trained to automatically block things that disagree with your worldview or what kind of voodoo magic is this? See the post directly above yours from @311Cowboy for a good start.

And I didn't say a word about tax avoidance. That's not the issue. The issue is the leverage entities have over him because of the massive amount of debt he owes.
I thought you just said “he and his family are getting from domestic and foreign entities by using the office as his own personal piggy bank.”? Does the issue change when pointed out that his opponent may have more problems with that “issue” than Trump?

So basically you are saying the problem is not what happened, but what may occur. Got it.
 
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You don't want to go down the rabbit hole of legal vs. ethical, at all.

If you do, let's talk about FISA warrants.
If you’re talking about the FISA abuse stuff it’s not legal vs ethical, that crap was flat out illegal. It’s the same thing with paying taxes. Ethics are not part of the equation. If you’re not paying what you’re supposed to, that’s illegal. If you’re cooking the books or cooking up scenarios that didn’t happen that’s illegal.
 
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I thought you just said “he and his family are getting from domestic and foreign entities by using the office as his own personal piggy bank.”? Does the issue change when pointed out that his opponent may have more problems with that “issue” than Trump?

So basically you are saying the problem is not what happened, but what may occur. Got it.
Man you are being so purposefully dense. The post above yours stated ways the Trump family is using the office for their own personal gain and you ignored it once. Then I pointed you towards it again when you asked what they'd done and you whooshed right past it a second time. His opponent doesn't owe massive amounts of money to who we don't know and hasn't been trying to obscure who he owes that massive amount of money to for the last five years. Biden had a kid that was getting paid a large amount to hold a position for which he was totally unqualified for. Trump has had how many completely unqualified kids, husbands of kids, handbag designers, Apprentice contestants, etc getting paid large sums in his cabinet. So if you want to bring that aspect into this discussion Biden is the clear winner in that category, too.
 

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thought you just said “he and his family are getting from domestic and foreign entities by using the office as his own personal piggy bank.”? Does the issue change when pointed out that his opponent may have more problems with that “issue” than Trump?
Don't forget that for many people, it's only bad if Trump does it. They don't give it a second thought if other politicians do it.
 

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https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1310663107681890304
Hindsight is 20/20. Knowing what we know now, Trump should have just used political leverage to get her a position on the board of a Ukrainian gas company for a million a year. The left and their media have declared that as legal, ethical and acceptable....PLUS they also declared it illegal to even investigate such a thing.
 

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Don't forget that for many people, it's only bad if Trump does it. They don't give it a second thought if other politicians do it.
And I've watched people complain about this stuff for years. Then start defending or making excuses when it is Trump.

If two months before the election in 2016 if Clinton's taxes were release and she paid only $750 there would be an uproar here not the gentle "Well, it is all legal." And she isn't even a billionaire.
 
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Paying $1.6M for a PR stunt to the US Treasury vs paying $1.6M in federal income taxes to the US Treasury.

You are going to have to tell me how the $1.6M is different.
I mean he has golfed at his own personal property, what 279 times? That is right 279 times in 3.75 years. That happens at be his own business that he hosts secret service, cabinet members, and rents carts/rooms to everyone involved. Estimated taxpayer cost is $141,000,000. With a huge portion of that money being spent at his businesses.

And that is just what he does in his spare time. But again you are right he didn't take a salary.
 

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And I've watched people complain about this stuff for years. Then start defending or making excuses when it is Trump.

If two months before the election in 2016 if Clinton's taxes were release and she paid only $750 there would be an uproar here not the gentle "Well, it is all legal." And she isn't even a billionaire.
And many of the same people complaining about Trump would have been defending clinton. Yes there is plenty of hypocrisy on both sides, my apologies if I implied otherwise. But there have been plenty of things Trump has been loudly criticized for that you barely heard a peep over when both Reps and Dems have done it in the past.

Just to give you an example, I've posted many times in this forum that I think both Biden and McConnell should be investigated for dealings in china where their family members allegedly made a lot of money....nobody really seems interested in it. But when Trump suggested that china should help investigate these allegations, people lost their freaking mind.
 

Binman4OSU

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Just to give you an example, I've posted many times in this forum that I think both Biden and McConnell should be investigated for dealings in china where their family members allegedly made a lot of money....nobody really seems interested in it. But when Trump suggested that china should help investigate these allegations, people lost their freaking mind.
I tend to find the things Trump pushes so hard like this to be generally Nothing Burgers surrounded in controversy and fake news.

For example the Republican led Senate Homeland Security Committee launched a probe into Hunter and Bursima & China and found his dealings "problematic and awkward" but said they were not illegal and did not influence foreign policy.

If the Republican led Senate investigation didn't turn up anything looking into it, then I suspect there is not much there and Trump is pushing a fake narrative cause "Biden" name is in it and now Trump has you and people like you pushing that boulder up the hill for him