1,000+ armed citizens to march during Tulsa race massacre centennial

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I know it is not PC but the church needs to be brought in here. If we had only kept doing what we were tasked to do by taking care of the sick, the widows etc. things would never have gotten this bad. I would ask that ouir country and it's citizens and our first responders and our sailors, soldiers, airmen and marines be lifted up. Let our differences be our strength. Let the wrongs be made right, do not try to correct it with another wrong.
Gotta run,
GO POKES!
Racism wouldn't exist if we all loved our neighbors and treated people the way we want to be treated.
 

UrbanCowboy1

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#82
I know it is not PC but the church needs to be brought in here. If we had only kept doing what we were tasked to do by taking care of the sick, the widows etc. things would never have gotten this bad. I would ask that ouir country and it's citizens and our first responders and our sailors, soldiers, airmen and marines be lifted up. Let our differences be our strength. Let the wrongs be made right, do not try to correct it with another wrong.
Gotta run,
GO POKES!
The church is only as good as the people wielding it for public service. Religion has been used as an argument for and against racism and slavery - it's in vogue to be anti-racist right now, so people in the church point to their religion as an example to be against racism. I imagine if it swung the other way we'd hear the exact opposite all while still quoting the Bible.
 

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I am not a big believer in the redlining holdover, it definitely happened, I don't see the affects carrying over right now. I will say that it is very difficult for poor people to get Home/Business loans, but that doesn't have anything to do with race. I think the argument that the war on drugs was set up for racist reasons is true. I think what we cant do is look at every outcome that is different between races and blame it on Racism. People that focus on family, education, hard work and achievement is how we get out of this, and I don't know how we get there navel gazing about stuff that happened in the past
The number one factor in generational wealth and family stability is home ownership in the past and presently.

I think you are fooling yourself if you don’t believe redlining holdover is part of the problem even if you have some other explanation for them not NOW getting loans. Redlining drove African American families into the communities that you say are disproportionally violent, pooerer, and less educated.

And your “navel gazing” comment reflects your unwillingness to look at the true source of the differing outcomes between the races. Until you’re willing to look at and acknowledge the root causes, you’re never gonna have any real solutions beyond your trite and meaningless “hard work, education, and family”.

Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
 
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I've always thought open carry was for insecure aholes irrespective of all other considerations excepting sworn personnel.

Once again Olderstool provides the stupidest comment anyone will read today.
Hey cowboy, I am from the same stool as you. If you carry open you are going to be the one the outlaw takes out first. Humility combined with covert protection.
 
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Problem is that the origin of Racism is tribalism, AKA loving your neighbors but not the people that live on the other side of the hill.
That's true. Tribalism will always exist. There will always be people that hate others for simply being different than them. That being said, I very much believe the term "neighbor" was meant to encompass everyone we come into contact with in our lives, regardless of which "tribe" they come from.

The parable of the good Samaritan
 
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The number one factor in generational wealth and family stability is home ownership in the past and presently.

I think you are fooling yourself if you don’t believe redlining holdover is part of the problem even if you have some other explanation for them not NOW getting loans. Redlining drove African American families into the communities that you say are disproportionally violent, pooerer, and less educated.

And your “navel gazing” comment reflects your unwillingness to look at the true source of the differing outcomes between the races. Until you’re willing to look at and acknowledge the root causes, you’re never gonna have any real solutions beyond your trite and meaningless “hard work, education, and family”.

Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I don't think it is trite and meaningless, low expectations is just another form of racism. I don't think that redlining has made nearly the difference that you do that is all. I think the root causes are exactly what is needed here, I just disagree that racism is the root cause of the differences in outcomes. Does it exist, yes, is it a factor yes, is it the reason why 75-80% of black children are born to single mothers? i dont think so.
 
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Problem is that the origin of Racism is tribalism, AKA loving your neighbors but not the people that live on the other side of the hill.
Cody, you didn't address the second half of Z28's statement, "treated people the way we want to be treated", That means people on the other side of the hill, the far bank of the river and across the lake. It is the HEART of the statement that we should pay attention to because I've seen neighbors treat neighbors very badly.
 

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I don't think it is trite and meaningless, low expectations is just another form of racism. I don't think that redlining has made nearly the difference that you do that is all. I think the root causes are exactly what is needed here, I just disagree that racism is the root cause of the differences in outcomes. Does it exist, yes, is it a factor yes, is it the reason why 75-80% of black children are born to single mothers? i dont think so.
It seems you think the root cause is that blacks just don’t try as hard to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and black moms willingly choose to be in single households because of third waive feminism instead of staying home and being full time moms like they should.

Which is nonsense, of course.
 
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Perhaps some books...

https://www.amazon.com/Economic-Facts-Fallacies-Thomas-Sowell/dp/0465022030


https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Disparities-Thomas-Sowell/dp/1541645634
 
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It seems you think the root cause is that blacks just don’t try as hard to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and black moms willingly choose to be in single households because of third waive feminism instead of staying home and being full time moms like they should.

Which is nonsense, of course.
There is a very simple formula for not being in poverty in America, graduate high school, dont have kids before you are married, if you get married, stay married dont commit crimes that will land you in Jail. I think everyone is capable of those things, and if you cant do it yourself you darn sure should be teaching yours kids that. Right now there are communities(not just black communities) that are stuck in a spiral of poverty, I dont know the complete answer of how it gets fixed, but my intuition is that focusing more and more on race isn't the way to get where we all want to be.
 

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There is a very simple formula for not being in poverty in America, graduate high school, dont have kids before you are married, if you get married, stay married dont commit crimes that will land you in Jail. I think everyone is capable of those things, and if you cant do it yourself you darn sure should be teaching yours kids that. Right now there are communities(not just black communities) that are stuck in a spiral of poverty, I dont know the complete answer of how it gets fixed, but my intuition is that focusing more and more on race isn't the way to get where we all want to be.
Well, if your “intuition” tells you that choosing to simply ignore or deny that race is a factor or contributing cause is the way to go, who am I to argue?

The claimed ability to understand something immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning is unassailable. :derp:
 
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Another pseudo-intellectual pundit apologist for the far right.

You’d love him.

You should check him out.
I notice you aren’t really attacking their ideas just calling them names and dismissing them. I am honestly surprised that you didn't call them both white nationalists