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but we can." That's a quote from my thoughts while reading this article.

http://www.dailytech.com/Congress+P...y+Day+Pirates+Porn+by+Night+/article23625.htm

From the article...
Now a particularly ironic fact has come to light -- it appears that IP addresses belonging to the offices of members of Congress have been downloading content illegally via BitTorrent.

TorrentFreak used Hurricane Electric's handy list of assigned IP blocks (found here) to track down which IP addresses belong to the offices of members of Congress. And lo and behold, when those addresses were compared to results on YouHaveDownloaded, a torrent tracking site, they yielded over 800 hits.

Now to put this in context YouHaveDownloaded tracks only a tiny portion of torrent traffic, so it appears that Congress -- even as they look to punish lesser mortals for filesharing -- are themselves gleefully committing a "smash and grab" as Vice President Joe Biden (D) once put it.

Much of the pirated materials appeared to be adult self-help or education books such as "Crucial Conversations- Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High" and "How to Answer Hard Interview Questions And Everything Else You Need to Know to Get the Job You Want".

A fair amount of useful software -- like MicrosoftCorp.'s (MSFT) Windows 7 Ultimate Edition -- was also pirated.

But other pirated works appeared to be purely stolen for pleasure. For example one individual within the halls of Congress downloaded a season of Sons of Anarchy, a TV show on News Corp.'s (NWS) FX channel. Another download appeared to be more "adult" in nature -- "Gangland Cream Pie 21" (we're guessing that's not an educational baking special).
 
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I don't understand why so many people have no problem what so ever doing illegal things online. 99.9% of the people that download illegally songs of their favorite band or the movies of a favorite actor would never steal the same CD or DVD/Blu Ray out of a store. What's the difference? Stealing is stealing? Think of it this way. Music is entertainment, sports is entertainment. Would you be perfectly fine if 45,000 people at BPS on every Saturday got in for free just because? No problem whatsoever with the lost revenue hurting the program.
 

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I don't understand why so many people have no problem what so ever doing illegal things online. 99.9% of the people that download illegally songs of their favorite band or the movies of a favorite actor would never steal the same CD or DVD/Blu Ray out of a store. What's the difference? Stealing is stealing? Think of it this way. Music is entertainment, sports is entertainment. Would you be perfectly fine if 45,000 people at BPS on every Saturday got in for free just because? No problem whatsoever with the lost revenue hurting the program.
It's the easy accessibility and safety/privacy in people's own home that puts them at ease when doing something illegal online. It's also the "Everybody else is doing it too, there is no way they'll catch me" mentality. It's never going to change unless our government takes China's approach to the Internet, so it's just something you're going to have to accept.
 

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It's the easy accessibility and safety/privacy in people's own home that puts them at ease when doing something illegal online. It's also the "Everybody else is doing it too, there is no way they'll catch me" mentality. It's never going to change unless our government takes China's approach to the Internet, so it's just something you're going to have to accept.
True story: RIAA is going after a 23 year old woman here in Austin for $400,000 based on music she downloaded from Napster when she was 14.
 
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How fun is that simplistic, black and white world of yours?
Yeah, because every internet post should be taken totally seriously.

I'm just saying...it's not that hard to not steal music. Is the RIAA being harsh? Yes. Do I care beyond that last sentence? No.
 

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Dez4Prez, have you ever read a magazine or book while still in the store you purchase said item from? Technically that's stealing. I've done that several times.

I've never downloaded a movie and haven't downloaded anything for free in a long time. I used to, however, have a lot of songs on my computer via Napster or Kazaa. I'm a horrible person.
 

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What about loaning out a movie to a friend? Scanning/printing pages of a book using a library's copy machines? Playing music from your computer/mp3 player at a party?

Well, I do know one thing from a quick little search of Dez4Prez2012's posts and that is that he has hotlinked some photos before (Silly Picture Thread), which is essentially bandwidth theft.

If the MPAA/RIAA got their way, they'd charge you multiple times for the same content. Things like VCRs, tape recorders, MP3 players, DVRs, CD/DVD burners and streaming music/movies wouldn't exist. They try to stifle innovative technologies, lie about their profits to gain sympathy, take the majority of said profits from the artists, label people terrorists and pedophiles, and as many saw last month, try to push horrible bills into law to censor the Internet.

As far as I'm concerned, the RIAA/MPAA can go !@#$ itself. :)
 

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What about loaning out a movie to a friend? Scanning/printing pages of a book using a library's copy machines? Playing music from your computer/mp3 player at a party?

Well, I do know one thing from a quick little search of Dez4Prez2012's posts and that is that he has hotlinked some photos before (Silly Picture Thread), which is essentially bandwidth theft.

If the MPAA/RIAA got their way, they'd charge you multiple times for the same content. Things like VCRs, tape recorders, MP3 players, DVRs, CD/DVD burners and streaming music/movies wouldn't exist. They try to stifle innovative technologies, lie about their profits to gain sympathy, take the majority of said profits from the artists, label people terrorists and pedophiles, and as many saw last month, try to push horrible bills into law to censor the Internet.

As far as I'm concerned, the RIAA/MPAA can go !@#$ itself. :)
I feel the same way. I certainly don't condone stealing, but any tears I cry for them will be big crocodile ones. Anyone talk about their efforts to stifle the perfectly legitimate secondary market for the physical product? Isn't that stealing from us?

I must confess I did not pay to watch Gangland Creampies 1-20. However, I only watched about 30 seconds of each. They can bill me for a total of 10 minutes of content.
 

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I don't understand why so many people have no problem what so ever doing illegal things online. 99.9% of the people that download illegally songs of their favorite band or the movies of a favorite actor would never steal the same CD or DVD/Blu Ray out of a store. What's the difference? Stealing is stealing? Think of it this way. Music is entertainment, sports is entertainment. Would you be perfectly fine if 45,000 people at BPS on every Saturday got in for free just because? No problem whatsoever with the lost revenue hurting the program.
What's the difference in stealing from a store and downloading something via bit torrent? That's an absurd question. If a friend buys a CD and burns me a copy of it, is that the same thing as walking into a store and stealing the same CD? Absolutely not.
 

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What's the difference in stealing from a store and downloading something via bit torrent? That's an absurd question. If a friend buys a CD and burns me a copy of it, is that the same thing as walking into a store and stealing the same CD? Absolutely not.
Yes, but sharing to infinity takes the concept of sharing to an absurd end. At this point the content owner has lost all traits of ownership. It has been taken from the owner and into the public domain, without compensation to the owner and without that owner's permission. There's a word for this, and it is "stealing."
 

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Yes, but sharing to infinity takes the concept of sharing to an absurd end. At this point the content owner has lost all traits of ownership. It has been taken from the owner and into the public domain, without compensation to the owner and without that owner's permission. There's a word for this, and it is "stealing."
I don't think of it as stealing. Maybe if someone sharing it were selling it to earn profits that belong to the copyright holder (like those DVD vendors that are probably around NYC). If it were theft, then I'd consider it criminal activity and thus police or federal agencies would enforce it. But nearly all cases always end up as civil matters.

Per Wikipedia:
"Theft"

Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as "theft." In copyright law, infringement does not refer to actual theft, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization.[6] Courts have distinguished between copyright infringement and theft, holding, for instance, in the United States Supreme Court case Dowling v. United States (1985) that bootleg phonorecords did not constitute stolen property and that "interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The Copyright Act even employs a separate term of art to define one who misappropriates a copyright... 'an infringer of the copyright.'" In the case of copyright infringement the province guaranteed to the copyright holder by copyright law is invaded, i.e. exclusive rights, but no control, physical or otherwise, is taken over the copyright, nor is the copyright holder wholly deprived of using the copyrighted work or exercising the exclusive rights held.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#.22Theft.22
 

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Just because you don't sell it for profits doesn't mean it isn't stealing.

People go into stores all the time and steal stuff from the store but don't RESELL it.
Just like people SHARE music with their friends/online and they do it for free and their friends/online users don't RESELL it.

I think the major point is that the music belongs to the artist (or someone who owns the artists music) and they have ownership of it.
They are trying to make a living from this along with many other people by selling this music.

If one person buys the music and "shares" it with 5 friends the music owner just lost 5 potential customers.