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kaboy42

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One of them is pumping out Racist crap on a weekly basis.
Yeah, he's "shared" some stupid social media sh*t.

Has he lobbied for, voted for and supported openly racial policies while in political office? Because the other one has. :blink:
 

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LOL. You want to hold Biden responsible for his Racist events but not hold Trump responsible for his.

:facepalm::facepalm:

The truth is you hold EVERYONE responsible and get them the F*** out of DC.
I'll listen to the black guy on this one.
https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1276662357700358145
 

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There are plenty out there defending Biden. Just like there are plenty out there defending Trump. Neither are really that "defendable". So it just cracks me up that only one of them that gets called a "racist" daily in the mainstream.
Why are the white supremacists virtually all on Trump's side if Biden is equally as racist?

I don't understand why you are cracking up at this when there is clearly only one candidate that is doing things that attract white supremacists. If they were simply both racists, then the white supremacists would be split just like everyone else.
 

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You better not vote in 2020 then. By your standards you get to vote for a soft racist in Trump or a flaming racist in Biden. Tough to choose who you are associating yourself with.
There are so many things wrong with this statement:
1) Flaming racists are supporting Trump, not Biden.
2) There are more than 2 candidates in the race, and surprise, surprise, both the Libertarians and the Greens have had the sense to not nominate a piece of shit.
 

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Do they have flaming racist polling data to back this up?
As usual, coverage of the Trump campaign’s refusal to disavow its white supremacist supporters — first after David Duke’s umpteenth endorsement of Trump, and now after the campaign lied about Donald Trump Jr. doing an interview with James Edwards — has been incredibly shortsighted. This sort of behavior doesn’t fit easily into a 24-hour news cycle.

In reality, Trump’s interactions with the white supremacy community have taken place over many months. Trump knows exactly what he’s doing, and he knows exactly what they want.

Consider this from Michael D’Antonio’s biography of Trump, Never Enough, as reprinted on Business Insider:

“Trump begins each day with a sheaf of papers detailing where and how often his name has been mentioned in the global press. The reports are typically too numerous for him to actually read, but the weight of the pages gives his sensitive ego a measure of his importance on any given day.”​
Well, The Donald’s had a few months to review the evidence. Could he have missed every mention of the widespread white supremacist support of his campaign during these past few months? Of course not. This isn’t complicated: Trump is vague in his denunciations because he relies on their support.


This is an incomplete list. It hardly covers any interactions Trump — or his father — had with this community before this campaign began. It also omits most of the times Trump retweeted white supremacists.


June


Trump announces his presidential bid on June 16, calling Mexican immigrants rapists, killers, and drug dealers in front of a crowd of hired actors.

Vocativ publishes a summary of white supremacists who have already announced their support of his campaign: Andrew Anglin of The Daily Stormer (who writes that “Trump is willing to say what most Americans think: it’s time to deport these people”), the Council of Conservative Citizens (who later robocalled for Trump in Iowa), and a Facebook group called American White History Month, which posted an article supportive of Trump.

Even David Duke weighs in — he has repeatedly and continuously supported Trump this election season — saying on his radio show a week after Trump’s announcement that the Jew media would attempt to delegitimize Trump as a candidate. To which I say: guilty.


July


Trump tweets about Kathryn Steinle, a white woman killed by an immigrant in San Francisco whose case became a meme among the white supremacist community because of San Francisco’s status as a “sanctuary city.”

The Anti-Defamation League releases a report, “White Supremacists View Donald Trump as Champion of Disaffected Whites,” and includes a list of new Trump supporters: Peter Brimelow of VDare, Richard Spencer of the National Policy Institute, and Kevin MacDonald of the American Freedom Party and the Occidental Observer, who writes:

“[The Republican Party,] the party of big business and the Israel Lobby, richly deserves to die unless it can appeal to the legitimate interests of its base—White America of all social classes, both sexes, and all age groups — all of which voted for Romney even though he hardly represented their interests.”

Salon publishes an insightful take on the political culture that lead to Trump’s rapid rise in popularity within the white supremacist community.


August


The Southern Poverty Law Center profiles all of Trump’s new white supremacist supporters, including Gregory Hood of Radix and Brad Griffin of Occidental Dissent.

Scott and Steve Leader attack an undocumented homeless man in Boston. During the assault, Scott shouts “Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported.”

Craig Cobb, who unsuccessfully tried to convert the town of Leith, North Dakota into a haven for white supremacy, buys land in the North Dakota town of Antler. He tells WDAY-TV he wants to re-name the town after Trump.

David Duke more formally endorses Trump, again. Trump tells Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin and John Heileman, “I don’t need his endorsement, I certainly wouldn’t want his endorsement, I don’t need anybody’s endorsement.” He adds, in response to the claim that Duke is representative of a larger white supremacist block, “A lot of people like me. Republicans like me, liberals like me. Everybody likes me.”

Alternet profiles even more white supremacists who support Trump, notably among them Jared Taylor, publisher of American Renaissance, and Rocky J. Suhayda, chair of the American Nazi Party.

On Medium, Izzy Galvez publishes an extensive amount of work on “Donald Trump’s Rapidly Growing Fan Base of White Supremacists.”

The New Yorker’s Evan Osnos writes about Trump’s support among those he calls a “confederacy of the frustrated,” in partial reference to the role of the controversy over the Confederate flag in the aftermath of the racially-motivated killing of nine at Emmanuel AME Church. Osnos says “Trump’s language landed just as American hate groups were more energized than at any time in years.”

Ben Domenech of The Federalist wonders, “Are Republicans For Freedom Or White Identity Politics?

Buzzfeed publishes the well-researched “Top Racists and Neo-Nazis Back Donald Trump.”


September


Anna Merlan of Jezebel summarizes Trump’s white supremacist support. Then, she publishes white supremacists’ reactions to her article. Hint: they’re not very nice.

Jared Taylor explains to Alan Colmes that white supremacists love Trump because “most white people want to be left alone.”

Boing Boing, and then Talking Point Memo report on an unearthed New York Times article that mentions Trump’s father’s arrest at “a massive brawl between KKK members and police at a 1927 Memorial Day parade in New York City.”

Richard Spencer tells The Daily Beast, “Today, the Republican Party is haunted by the specter of White dispossession and ethno-politics […] This is what the Trump phenomenon is really about, and this is why Trump is loathed by establishment conservatives (FOX, the GOP, the ‘conservative movement’) and why he appeals—on an instinctive, unconscious level—to White Americans.”

Trump suggests Muslims celebrated 9/11 in the thousands in New Jersey and New York.


October


At a campaign rally, one man questions Trump: “We have a problem in this country, it’s called Muslims. We know our current president is one.” Trump responds: “Right. We need this question!” And proceeds to entertain the man’s theories on expelling Muslims from America.

Trump supporter Craig Cobb exhausts his vocabulary of racial insults in a phone call with Nightline anchor Brian Pitts.

Reminder: Trump is retweeting these people.

In an interview with New York, Don Black — founder of Stormfront, the first and perhaps best-known white supremacist site on the web — says that he would vote for Trump: “He resonates with many of our people, of course — and with white, middle America, which has been seething for many years now about the immigration issue. It’s been ready to boil over for a long time. Trump stumbled onto this issue and he’s benefiting from that. It inspires a lot of people, including a lot of our own people.”


November


Trump says he saw thousands of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in New York and New Jersey.

August Kreis III — of the Aryan Nation and the KKK — holds up a sign that says “Vote For Donald Trump” in a courtroom. Right before he’s sentenced to 50 years in prison for child molestation.

Trump defends his immigration plan by citing Eisenhower’s “Operation Wetback.” White supremacists celebrate in unison across the web.

A #BlackLivesMatter protester is beaten at a Trump rally. The next day, Trump says that “maybe he should have been roughed up.”

Note: Slate’s Josh Vorhees takes good note in “Trump’s Week of Fearmongering and Falsehoods” of Trump’s swing to the far-far-right on the issues that matter to them.


December


Trump proposes banning all Muslims from the U.S. White supremacists lose their minds.

Trump is significantly boosting interest in white supremacist groups. Politico says Stormfront needs to upgrade its servers to keep up with the rush of traffic whenever Trump speaks.

The Daily Beast profiles William Daniel Johnson, chair of the American Freedom Party and fervent Trump supporter.


January


American Renaissance’s editor Jared Taylor robocalls for Trump in Iowa.

An analysis from LittleBird shows a trend that’s been reported on for months: Trump mostly retweets white supremacists.


February


Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach — one of the most prominent white supremacists in elected office today — endorses Trump.

White supremacist Matthew Heimbach pushes and spits at black attendees at a Trump rally, screaming “You’re scum, your time will come. You’re scum, your time will come.”

Trump refuses to disavow the KKK when asked about David Duke’s endorsement by CNN’s Jake Tapper.

Donald Trump Jr. gives an interview to James Edwards, a known white supremacist broadcaster.

Jason Edwards is also given press credentials to a Trump rally.

A few days after the KKK non-disavowal, Trump “officially” disavows both the Klan and David Duke.



This last and most recent development is extremely important, because it tells us a lot about how Donald Trump capitalizes on the white supremacist support his campaign has received while maintaining the line that he “disavows” such support.

Trump’s pattern of waffling on the support of this portion of his base — he only addresses racism head on after the damage of the first media cycle is done — is by design. As long as he shows that he’s angrier at the manipulative media types (what a familiar trope…) who always seem to be painting him into a corner with allegations of racism, the stronger the signal is to the racists themselves that his real displeasure is not with them, but with the media.
 

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Why are the white supremacists virtually all on Trump's side if Biden is equally as racist?

I don't understand why you are cracking up at this when there is clearly only one candidate that is doing things that attract white supremacists. If they were simply both racists, then the white supremacists would be split just like everyone else.
I'm cracking up because I can think for myself. They're both racists... so I have to move on to the next potential comparison and evaluate it.

Not vote based on "one is more racist than the other" because the mainstream is out there shouting it at me daily to try and convince me that the buck should just stop here.
 

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As usual, coverage of the Trump campaign’s refusal to disavow its white supremacist supporters — first after David Duke’s umpteenth endorsement of Trump, and now after the campaign lied about Donald Trump Jr. doing an interview with James Edwards — has been incredibly shortsighted. This sort of behavior doesn’t fit easily into a 24-hour news cycle.

In reality, Trump’s interactions with the white supremacy community have taken place over many months. Trump knows exactly what he’s doing, and he knows exactly what they want.

Consider this from Michael D’Antonio’s biography of Trump, Never Enough, as reprinted on Business Insider:

“Trump begins each day with a sheaf of papers detailing where and how often his name has been mentioned in the global press. The reports are typically too numerous for him to actually read, but the weight of the pages gives his sensitive ego a measure of his importance on any given day.”​
Well, The Donald’s had a few months to review the evidence. Could he have missed every mention of the widespread white supremacist support of his campaign during these past few months? Of course not. This isn’t complicated: Trump is vague in his denunciations because he relies on their support.


This is an incomplete list. It hardly covers any interactions Trump — or his father — had with this community before this campaign began. It also omits most of the times Trump retweeted white supremacists.


June

Trump announces his presidential bid on June 16, calling Mexican immigrants rapists, killers, and drug dealers in front of a crowd of hired actors.

Vocativ publishes a summary of white supremacists who have already announced their support of his campaign: Andrew Anglin of The Daily Stormer (who writes that “Trump is willing to say what most Americans think: it’s time to deport these people”), the Council of Conservative Citizens (who later robocalled for Trump in Iowa), and a Facebook group called American White History Month, which posted an article supportive of Trump.

Even David Duke weighs in — he has repeatedly and continuously supported Trump this election season — saying on his radio show a week after Trump’s announcement that the Jew media would attempt to delegitimize Trump as a candidate. To which I say: guilty.


July

Trump tweets about Kathryn Steinle, a white woman killed by an immigrant in San Francisco whose case became a meme among the white supremacist community because of San Francisco’s status as a “sanctuary city.”

The Anti-Defamation League releases a report, “White Supremacists View Donald Trump as Champion of Disaffected Whites,” and includes a list of new Trump supporters: Peter Brimelow of VDare, Richard Spencer of the National Policy Institute, and Kevin MacDonald of the American Freedom Party and the Occidental Observer, who writes:

“[The Republican Party,] the party of big business and the Israel Lobby, richly deserves to die unless it can appeal to the legitimate interests of its base—White America of all social classes, both sexes, and all age groups — all of which voted for Romney even though he hardly represented their interests.”​
Salon publishes an insightful take on the political culture that lead to Trump’s rapid rise in popularity within the white supremacist community.


August

The Southern Poverty Law Center profiles all of Trump’s new white supremacist supporters, including Gregory Hood of Radix and Brad Griffin of Occidental Dissent.

Scott and Steve Leader attack an undocumented homeless man in Boston. During the assault, Scott shouts “Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported.”

Craig Cobb, who unsuccessfully tried to convert the town of Leith, North Dakota into a haven for white supremacy, buys land in the North Dakota town of Antler. He tells WDAY-TV he wants to re-name the town after Trump.

David Duke more formally endorses Trump, again. Trumptells Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin and John Heileman, “I don’t need his endorsement, I certainly wouldn’t want his endorsement, I don’t need anybody’s endorsement.” He adds, in response to the claim that Duke is representative of a larger white supremacist block, “A lot of people like me. Republicans like me, liberals like me. Everybody likes me.”

Alternet profiles even more white supremacists who support Trump, notably among them Jared Taylor, publisher of American Renaissance, and Rocky J. Suhayda, chair of the American Nazi Party.

On Medium, Izzy Galvez publishes an extensive amount of work on “Donald Trump’s Rapidly Growing Fan Base of White Supremacists.”

The New Yorker’s Evan Osnos writes about Trump’s support among those he calls a “confederacy of the frustrated,” in partial reference to the role of the controversy over the Confederate flag in the aftermath of the racially-motivated killing of nine at Emmanuel AME Church. Osnos says “Trump’s language landed just as American hate groups were more energized than at any time in years.”

Ben Domenech of The Federalist wonders, “Are Republicans For Freedom Or White Identity Politics?

Buzzfeed publishes the well-researched “Top Racists and Neo-Nazis Back Donald Trump.”


September

Anna Merlan of Jezebel summarizes Trump’s white supremacist support. Then, she publishes white supremacists’ reactions to her article. Hint: they’re not very nice.

Jared Taylor explains to Alan Colmes that white supremacists love Trump because “most white people want to be left alone.”

Boing Boing, and then Talking Point Memo report on an unearthed New York Times article that mentions Trump’s father’s arrest at “a massive brawl between KKK members and police at a 1927 Memorial Day parade in New York City.”

Richard Spencer tells The Daily Beast, “Today, the Republican Party is haunted by the specter of White dispossession and ethno-politics […] This is what the Trump phenomenon is really about, and this is why Trump is loathed by establishment conservatives (FOX, the GOP, the ‘conservative movement’) and why he appeals—on an instinctive, unconscious level—to White Americans.”

Trump suggests Muslims celebrated 9/11 in the thousands in New Jersey and New York.


October

At a campaign rally, one man questions Trump: “We have a problem in this country, it’s called Muslims. We know our current president is one.” Trump responds: “Right. We need this question!” And proceeds to entertain the man’s theories on expelling Muslims from America.

Trump supporter Craig Cobb exhausts his vocabulary of racial insults in a phone call with Nightline anchor Brian Pitts.

Reminder: Trump is retweeting these people.

In an interview with New York, Don Black — founder of Stormfront, the first and perhaps best-known white supremacist site on the web — says that he would vote for Trump: “He resonates with many of our people, of course — and with white, middle America, which has been seething for many years now about the immigration issue. It’s been ready to boil over for a long time. Trump stumbled onto this issue and he’s benefiting from that. It inspires a lot of people, including a lot of our own people.”


November

Trump says he saw thousands of Muslims celebrating 9/11 in New York and New Jersey.

August Kreis III — of the Aryan Nation and the KKK — holds up a sign that says “Vote For Donald Trump” in a courtroom. Right before he’s sentenced to 50 years in prison for child molestation.

Trump defends his immigration plan by citing Eisenhower’s “Operation Wetback.” White supremacists celebrate in unison across the web.

A #BlackLivesMatter protester is beaten at a Trump rally. The next day, Trump says that “maybe he should have been roughed up.”

Note: Slate’s Josh Vorhees takes good note in “Trump’s Week of Fearmongering and Falsehoods” of Trump’s swing to the far-far-right on the issues that matter to them.


December

Trump proposes banning all Muslims from the U.S. White supremacists lose their minds.

Trump is significantly boosting interest in white supremacist groups. Politico says Stormfront needs to upgrade its servers to keep up with the rush of traffic whenever Trump speaks.

The Daily Beast profiles William Daniel Johnson, chair of the American Freedom Party and fervent Trump supporter.


January

American Renaissance’s editor Jared Taylor robocalls for Trump in Iowa.

An analysis from LittleBird shows a trend that’s been reported on for months: Trump mostly retweets white supremacists.


February

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach — one of the most prominent white supremacists in elected office today — endorses Trump.

White supremacist Matthew Heimbach pushes and spits at black attendees at a Trump rally, screaming “You’re scum, your time will come. You’re scum, your time will come.”

Trump refuses to disavow the KKK when asked about David Duke’s endorsement by CNN’s Jake Tapper.

Donald Trump Jr. gives an interview to James Edwards, a known white supremacist broadcaster.

Jason Edwards is also given press credentials to a Trump rally.

A few days after the KKK non-disavowal, Trump “officially” disavows both the Klan and David Duke.



This last and most recent development is extremely important, because it tells us a lot about how Donald Trump capitalizes on the white supremacist support his campaign has received while maintaining the line that he “disavows” such support.

Trump’s pattern of waffling on the support of this portion of his base — he only addresses racism head on after the damage of the first media cycle is done — is by design. As long as he shows that he’s angrier at the manipulative media types (what a familiar trope…) who always seem to be painting him into a corner with allegations of racism, the stronger the signal is to the racists themselves that his real displeasure is not with them, but with the media.
wow you clearly have a lot of free time on your hands.. very impressive. Do you keep this in a file on your desktop so that you can cut and paste it in whenever you need to?
 

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Your funny. The plan got published it was no plan at all. Do what the CDC says. That's what Trump did.
So you were cool with him letting states bid against each other for PPE and undermining stay at home orders in states that had governors from the opposition party?

Normally in times of crisis our leaders actually try and lead. Deflect and say I don't support Trump but... all you want. His administration was severally lacking here in a way that no administration since probably the gilded age would have been, but hey he's on your side so it's all good.
 

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wow you clearly have a lot of free time on your hands.. very impressive. Do you keep this in a file on your desktop so that you can cut and paste it in whenever you need to?
I didn't write this, but it is pretty exhaustive. I want to point out that this is quite the deflective response to being wrong.

Why not eat crow and move on? Or is saving face more important that the truth?
 
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You better not vote in 2020 then. By your standards you get to vote for a soft racist in Trump or a flaming racist in Biden. Tough to choose who you are associating yourself with.
Liking and sharing a "White power" video = soft racist
Saying the word "jungle" in a sentence = flaming racist

OMG this has gotten to pathetic levels of spin. Like absolutely unbelievably ridiculous levels of spin.
 

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I didn't write this, but it is pretty exhaustive. I want to point out that this is quite the deflective response to being wrong.

Why not eat crow and move on? Or is saving face more important that the truth?
Over the last 40 years who has damaged more black lives: Biden or Trump?
 
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Over the last 40 years who has damaged more black lives: Biden or Trump?
Maybe ask voters of minority groups? If Biden is a racist he sure seemed cool with being a subservient to a Minority boss. How did Trump treat that minority president? Oh, accused him of not being American and constant badgering? Weird...
 

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Over the last 40 years who has damaged more black lives: Biden or Trump?
well seeing how the DOJ once sued Trump and his Father for 30 years of racial profiling in their properties...which kept black kids out of higher performing schools and lower crime areas...I would say actively focusing on ways to keep Black families from finding a home on a daily basis that Trump would most likely have personally and significantly damaged more black lives than Biden