War in the Caucasus

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llcoolw

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I think most people regardless of their politics would like to see the US involved in less of these kind of things. However, given we've served that stabilizing (sometimes destabilizing) role for so long now, how we start to withdraw is pretty important, and will have ramifications that will no doubt affect our interests as well as others. It will be an interesting decade ahead to watch the process. Nature hates a vacuum, I just hope we end up with the right people making good decisions as the process plays out.
Not relevant to anything but my hopes but when the wall came down, I was pretty naive. Some reason or another I thought the world had an opportunity to put conflict on an industrial scale behind us and we were all heading for a new world. Imagination went wild about a US/Soviet led globe. Damn. Now I’m bummed.
 

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Propaganda calling out propaganda.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ArmenianUnified/status/1319286927678337028?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1319286927678337028%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3%2Ccontainerclick_0&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2Fforum1%2Fmessage4533190%2Fpg142
 

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The international declarations regarding this long standing conflict sure paint the Armenians in a different light

Despite the ceasefire, fatalities due to armed conflicts between Armenian and Azerbaijani soldiers continued.[78] On 25 January 2005, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) adopted PACE Resolution 1416, which condemned alleged ethnic cleansing against Azerbaijanis.[79][80] On 15–17 May 2007 the 34th session of the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the Organization of Islamic Conference adopted resolution No. 7/34-P, considering the occupation of Azerbaijani territory as the aggression of Armenia against Azerbaijan and recognizing the actions against Azerbaijani civilians as a crime against humanity, and condemning the destruction of archaeological, cultural and religious monuments in the occupied territories.[81] The 11th session of the summit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference held on 13–14 March 2008 in Dakar adopted resolution No. 10/11-P (IS). In the resolution, OIC member states condemned the occupation of Azerbaijani lands by Armenian forces and Armenian aggression against Azerbaijan, alleged ethnic cleansing against the Azeri population, and charged Armenia with the "destruction of cultural monuments in the occupied Azerbaijani territories".[82] On 14 March of the same year the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution No. 62/243 which "demands the immediate, complete and unconditional withdrawal of all Armenian forces from all occupied territories of the Republic of Azerbaijan".[83] On 18–20 May 2010, the 37th session of the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the Organization of Islamic Conference in Dushanbe adopted another resolution condemning the aggression of Armenia against Azerbaijan, recognizing the actions against Azerbaijani civilians as a crime against humanity and condemning the destruction of archaeological, cultural, and religious monuments in occupied territories.[84] On 20 May of the same year, the European Parliament in Strasbourg adopted the resolution on "The need for an EU Strategy for the South Caucasus" on the basis of the report by Evgeni Kirilov, the Bulgarian member of the Parliament.[85][86] The resolution states in particular that "the occupied Azerbaijani regions around Nagorno-Karabakh must be cleared as soon as possible".[87] On 26 January 2016, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) adopted Resolution 2085, which deplored the fact that the occupation by Armenia of Nagorno-Karabakh and other adjacent areas of Azerbaijan creates humanitarian and environmental problems for the citizens of Azerbaijan, condemned alleged ethnic cleansing against Azerbaijanis and Assembly requested immediate withdrawal of Armenian armed forces from the region concerned.[88][89][90]
 

llcoolw

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The international declarations regarding this long standing conflict sure paint the Armenians in a different light

Despite the ceasefire, fatalities due to armed conflicts between Armenian and Azerbaijani soldiers continued.[78] On 25 January 2005, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) adopted PACE Resolution 1416, which condemned alleged ethnic cleansing against Azerbaijanis.[79][80] On 15–17 May 2007 the 34th session of the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the Organization of Islamic Conference adopted resolution No. 7/34-P, considering the occupation of Azerbaijani territory as the aggression of Armenia against Azerbaijan and recognizing the actions against Azerbaijani civilians as a crime against humanity, and condemning the destruction of archaeological, cultural and religious monuments in the occupied territories.[81] The 11th session of the summit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference held on 13–14 March 2008 in Dakar adopted resolution No. 10/11-P (IS). In the resolution, OIC member states condemned the occupation of Azerbaijani lands by Armenian forces and Armenian aggression against Azerbaijan, alleged ethnic cleansing against the Azeri population, and charged Armenia with the "destruction of cultural monuments in the occupied Azerbaijani territories".[82] On 14 March of the same year the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution No. 62/243 which "demands the immediate, complete and unconditional withdrawal of all Armenian forces from all occupied territories of the Republic of Azerbaijan".[83] On 18–20 May 2010, the 37th session of the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the Organization of Islamic Conference in Dushanbe adopted another resolution condemning the aggression of Armenia against Azerbaijan, recognizing the actions against Azerbaijani civilians as a crime against humanity and condemning the destruction of archaeological, cultural, and religious monuments in occupied territories.[84] On 20 May of the same year, the European Parliament in Strasbourg adopted the resolution on "The need for an EU Strategy for the South Caucasus" on the basis of the report by Evgeni Kirilov, the Bulgarian member of the Parliament.[85][86] The resolution states in particular that "the occupied Azerbaijani regions around Nagorno-Karabakh must be cleared as soon as possible".[87] On 26 January 2016, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) adopted Resolution 2085, which deplored the fact that the occupation by Armenia of Nagorno-Karabakh and other adjacent areas of Azerbaijan creates humanitarian and environmental problems for the citizens of Azerbaijan, condemned alleged ethnic cleansing against Azerbaijanis and Assembly requested immediate withdrawal of Armenian armed forces from the region concerned.[88][89][90]
The way I’m understanding this is- that not one country accepts the disputed lands as Armenian. Russia has supplied both sides as has all the immediate neighbors. Even that wasn’t enough. So they brought in fighters. TPTB are going to let this simmer. As Libya cools down, somewhere else must heat up. I sound jaded.
 

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The way I’m understanding this is- that not one country accepts the disputed lands as Armenian. Russia has supplied both sides as has all the immediate neighbors. Even that wasn’t enough. So they brought in fighters. TPTB are going to let this simmer. As Libya cools down, somewhere else must heat up. I sound jaded.
On the surface I see this being very similar to Russia/Ukraine/Crimea. One country wants it's ethnic compatriots to join them and bring their land so they foment a civil war to achieve those ends. Armenia isn't the global player that Russia is so the world has not let them get away with it...to this point.

As far as TPTB, they have been trying to mediate this for nearly 30 years to no avail.
 

llcoolw

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Things just heated up. Russian helicopter shot down in Armenia.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThatJustBroke/status/1325864664119406592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1325864664119406592%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2Fforum1%2Fmessage4586246%2Fpg1