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That is an excellent read. Great find too. I’m sure as you read it, you saw the problem Tehran is facing? They do have a long good standing with Armenia but the Azie population in Iran is almost 20 million and now they’re well informed. They’re pissed that Iran said they sided with the Aziies but allowed Russian military sales transport through Iranian air space to the battle lines. I don’t think a 1000 years of friendship will withstand the union of Shiite Islam either. Iran’s best bet is to claim neutrality.
What I keep wondering when reading about the various players in this thing is if Israel is going to start getting grief for selling weapons systems to muslims to kill christians. I kinda doubt it, but if another genocide starts to unfold in Armenia, it could end up being a bad look for them.
 

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Major attack on residential area of Azerbaijani’s Ganja.
 

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What I keep wondering when reading about the various players in this thing is if Israel is going to start getting grief for selling weapons systems to muslims to kill christians. I kinda doubt it, but if another genocide starts to unfold in Armenia, it could end up being a bad look for them.
I have no idea anymore. Reading that story about how intertwined Azerbaijani and Israel is bizzaro. And they’re Shia. And so is Bahrain which I had no idea either. It seems they’re all in bed with each other at the top tiers and the populations just have to deal with it.
 

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I did not edit this. Armenia is in trouble.

UK at centre of secret $3bn Azerbaijani money laundering and lobbying scheme
Mehriban and Ilham AliyevShow caption
Exclusive: Leaked data reveals thousands of covert payments, including to European politicians and journalists

Azerbaijan’s ruling elite operated a secret $2.9bn (£2.2bn) scheme to pay prominent Europeans, buy luxury goods and launder money through a network of opaque British companies, an investigation by the Guardian reveals.

Leaked data shows that the Azerbaijani leadership, accused of serial human rights abuses, systemic corruption and rigging elections, made more than 16,000 covert payments from 2012 to 2014.

Some of this money went to politicians and journalists, as part of an international lobbying operation to deflect criticism of Azerbaijan’s president, Ilham Aliyev, and to promote a positive image of his oil-rich country. There is no suggestion that all the recipients were aware of the original source of the money. It arrived via a disguised route.

The Scottish firms that let money flow from Azerbaijan to the UK
But the revelations once again highlight the use of the lightly regulated British corporate landscape to move large sums of money around, beyond the purview of regulators and tax authorities. Seven million pounds was spent in Britain on luxury goods and private school fees.

The cash, contributed by an opaque array of paymasters in Azerbaijan and Russia, travelled to the British companies – all limited partnerships registered at Companies House in London – via the western financial system without raising red flags. One of Europe’s leading banks, Danske, processed the payments via its branch office in Estonia.

Danske Bank said “money laundering and other illegal practices” had taken place. It first noticed the irregular payments in 2014. Estonia’s financial regulator said systems designed to stop money laundering at the branch had failed.

The scheme has been nicknamed the Azerbaijani Laundromat. Confidential banking records were leaked to the Danish newspaper Berlingske and shared with the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), the Guardian, and other media partners. The data covers a 30-month period. It may show the tip of an iceberg.

The politicians

The leaked bank records show multiple payments to several former members of the Council of Europe’s parliamentary assembly, Pace. One is Eduard Lintner, a German ex-MP and member of the Christian Social Union, the Bavarian sister party to Angela Merkel’s ruling Christian Democrats. Another is the Italian former chair of the centre-right group in Pace, Luca Volontè.

The payments came at a time when Azerbaijan was under fire for arresting human rights activists and journalists, and for holding rigged elections. The regime sought to blunt criticism from Europe and the US by allegedly bribing delegates in what has been called “caviar diplomacy”.

This intensive lobbying operation was so successful that Council of Europe members voted against a 2013 report critical of Azerbaijan.

Everything you need to know about the Azerbaijani Laundromat
Lintner stood down as an MP in 2010, but remained a firm supporter of Azerbaijan. He founded the Society for the Promotion of German-Azerbaijani Relations in Berlin, which received €819,500 (£755,000). One €61,000 payment was made two weeks after Lintner returned to Berlin from a trip to Azerbaijan where he monitored the country’s 2013 presidential election. He said the poll was up to “German standards” – in direct contrast to official election observers who found “significant problems”.

Lintner says he received the money for his society, did not personally benefit, and was not an MP or Council of Europe member at the time. An Azerbaijani NGO paid for his election trip, he says. He says he has no knowledge of the original source of the payments received.

Luca Volontè. Photograph: Vano Shlamov/AFP/Getty Images
Details of cash given to Volontè emerged in 2016 and caused outrage. He received more than €2m in instalments via his Italian-based Novae Terrae foundation. Prosecutors in Milan have indicted him for money laundering and corruption.

Volontè denies wrongdoing. He is seeking to have the case thrown out.

The data also shows money being paid via the British companies to Kalin Mitrev, a Bulgarian appointed last year to the board of the London-based European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. Mitrev received at least €425,000 for private consulting work from a local Azeri company, Avuar Co. He acknowledges the payments and says they were for legitimate business consultancy. He denies all knowledge of the conduit used to execute them or the original source of the funds.

“All the income, generated by activities in different countries, was duly reported and taxed in my country of residence, Bulgaria,” Mitrev said. His consultancy work stopped when he joined the London bank, he said.

The revelation that her husband consulted for an Azeri company might prove awkward for Mitrev’s wife, Irina Bokova, who is the director general of Unesco. Bokova has bestowed one of Unesco’s highest honours, the Mozart Medal on Azerbaijan’s first lady and vice-president, Mehriban Aliyeva. She also hosted a photo exhibition at Unesco’s headquarters in Paris, entitled Azerbaijan – A Land of Tolerance. The Heydar Aliyev foundation organised the event.

Asked by the Guardian whether there was a conflict between her husband’s work and her UN role, she strongly denied this, saying she had no knowledge of her husband’s business affairs. “As a director general of a UN agency, my duty is to develop sound working relations with all members of the organisation in conformity with the policies set by member states. Azerbaijan is not an exception in this respect.”

“I am immensely proud of my determined pursuit of the mandate of Unesco, including in the area of human rights, freedom of expression and the safety of journalists.”

The lobbyists

Large sums from the scheme were spent on lobbying. In 2014 Eckart Sager, a former CNN producer based in London, received nearly €2m from the British companies. His PR company is linked to articles that promote the Azerbaijani government and its views. One piece denies wrongdoing by Baku in the Volontè case. Sager did not comment.

Another beneficiary is a London-based Azeri, Jovdat Guliyev, who received 25 payments totalling almost £400,000. Guliyev is a member of the Anglo-Azerbaijani Society, a lobby group co-chaired by the Liberal Democrat peer Lord German. Guliyev did not respond to repeated messages asking him for a comment.

The British connection

The four firms at the centre of the Azerbaijani Laundromat were all limited partnerships registered in the UK. They were: Metastar Invest, based at a service address in Birmingham; Hilux Services and Polux Management, set up in Glasgow; and LCM Alliance, from Potters Bar, Hertfordshire. Their corporate “partners” are anonymous tax haven entities based in the British Virgin Islands, Seychelles and Belize.

Glasgow, where two of the four firms at the centre of the Azerbaijani Laundromat were set up. Photograph: Mark Liddell#118848/Flickr Vision
L Burke Files, an international financial investigator, said these company structures were “purposefully opaque”. Foreign criminals used Scottish limited partnerships, or SLPs, he said. In June the government announced SLPs would have to name their significant owners, or pay fines, amid evidence of growing fraud.

“No one suspects Scotland. It’s never been on the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) list of non-compliant countries,” Files said. “If you are going to launder money it’s probably best not to run it between Russia, Malta and the Cayman Islands. Does Scotland raise a red flag in your mind? No.”

All four British companies are named as payment channels in the Italian prosecution case against Volontè. They have since been dissolved.

Luxury services

The banking data shows that the Azerbaijani fund was used for a wide variety of purposes. More than $2.9bn went to companies, with about $50m paid out to individuals. Many beneficiaries were retail and service firms in western Europe. In all probability, they would have been unaware of the origins of the payments they were receiving.

Some of the 200 money transfers to the UK concerned education. In 2014 £89,800 was transferred to Queen Ethelburga’s Collegiate, a private boarding school in York. The school would not identify the pupil or pupils involved or comment.

Queen Ethelburga’s Collegiate. Photograph: PR
There were payments to the tuition college Bellerbys and to the ICS international school in London. Bellerbys said it was investigating. The data suggests there were a number of relatively modest bursaries to regime-connected Azerbaijani students studying in Britain, as well as rental deposits on upmarket London flats. Other purchases included designer dresses, luxury cars and legal fees. There is no suggestion the UK recipients should have known about the provenance of the money.

Azerbaijan’s ruling family is not directly named. But the evidence of a connection is overwhelming. Large sums come via the state-owned International Bank of Azerbaijan. This is the largest bank in an oil-wealthy country, and yet earlier this summer it filed for bankruptcy protection in New York. The defence and emergency situations ministries in Baku all chip in cash.

The scheme was used to pay for the government’s incidental expenses including the medical bills of Yaqub Eyyubov, Azerbaijan’s first deputy prime minister. There were separate payments to Eyyubov’s son Emin, Azerbaijan’s EU ambassador, and to the president’s press secretary, Azer Gasimov.

Business partners of the US president, Donald Trump, in a project to build a luxury Trump Tower in Baku also appear in the Laundromat scheme.

The hotel’s local developer was Anar Mammadov, the billionaire son of Azerbaijan’s ex-transport minister Ziya Mammadov. At the time the scheme operated, the Mammadovs were one of the country’s most powerful and wealthy families. The Mammadovs’ Baghlan holding company is linked to Laundromat transactions.

In 2012 the Trump Organisation signed a deal with the Mammadovs to build a 33-floor, 130-metre-high “ultra-modern” skyscraper. In October 2014 Ivanka Trump toured Trump Tower Baku, posting photos of the unfinished building on her Instagram account. The hotel never opened. Trump has since cut his connection with the project. The Laundromat scheme does not link to Trump but raises questions about his choice of business partners.

The paymasters

It is not entirely clear where the money used in the scheme comes from. The Russian government paid $29.4m into the Laundromat via its main weapons company, Rosoboronexport. Several transactions link to another $20bn money-laundering scheme, which operated out of Moscow between 2010 and 2014. The scheme, the Global Laundromat, was exposed in March by the OCCRP, Novaya Gazeta and the Guardian.

A mysterious private firm in Baku, Baktelekom MMC, pays in more than $1.4bn. The firm is what fraud experts call a doppelganger entity. It sounds like the state telecoms firm with the same name but bears no relation to it. It doesn’t have a website. Its function is unclear. According to the OCCRP, Baktelekom MMC is linked to Mehriban Aliyeva. In January the company was let off a $17.4m tax bill.

The Danish bank Danske said it had not been good enough at monitoring suspicious transactions at its Estonian branch. The bank has since “tightened procedures and controls” and “terminated relationships” with some customers.

“We will not accept Danske being exploited for money laundering or other criminal purposes. We will do everything to prevent it from happening again,” it said.

Madis Reimand, the head of Estonia’s financial intelligence unit, said his office had come across the suspicious Azerbaijani cash flows in 2013 while analysing a separate case. “From there we followed the tracks,” he said. “We tried to cooperate with the source country in order to ascertain where the money came from. This, however, didn’t work out.”

Reimand said Estonia’s financial supervisory authority had identified what had gone wrong and taken steps to prevent similar fraud in the future.

Clarification: It has been suggested to us by Kalin Mitrev that this article may be understood as alleging that he was involved in corruption and/or money laundering in association with the Azerbaijani Laundromat. Whilst we do not agree with Mr Mitrev that the article conveys such a meaning, we are happy to make it clear that that we did not intend to suggest this.
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I did not edit this. Armenia is in trouble.

UK at centre of secret $3bn Azerbaijani money laundering and lobbying scheme
Mehriban and Ilham AliyevShow caption
Exclusive: Leaked data reveals thousands of covert payments, including to European politicians and journalists

Azerbaijan’s ruling elite operated a secret $2.9bn (£2.2bn) scheme to pay prominent Europeans, buy luxury goods and launder money through a network of opaque British companies, an investigation by the Guardian reveals.

Leaked data shows that the Azerbaijani leadership, accused of serial human rights abuses, systemic corruption and rigging elections, made more than 16,000 covert payments from 2012 to 2014.

Some of this money went to politicians and journalists, as part of an international lobbying operation to deflect criticism of Azerbaijan’s president, Ilham Aliyev, and to promote a positive image of his oil-rich country. There is no suggestion that all the recipients were aware of the original source of the money. It arrived via a disguised route.

The Scottish firms that let money flow from Azerbaijan to the UK
But the revelations once again highlight the use of the lightly regulated British corporate landscape to move large sums of money around, beyond the purview of regulators and tax authorities. Seven million pounds was spent in Britain on luxury goods and private school fees.

The cash, contributed by an opaque array of paymasters in Azerbaijan and Russia, travelled to the British companies – all limited partnerships registered at Companies House in London – via the western financial system without raising red flags. One of Europe’s leading banks, Danske, processed the payments via its branch office in Estonia.

Danske Bank said “money laundering and other illegal practices” had taken place. It first noticed the irregular payments in 2014. Estonia’s financial regulator said systems designed to stop money laundering at the branch had failed.

The scheme has been nicknamed the Azerbaijani Laundromat. Confidential banking records were leaked to the Danish newspaper Berlingske and shared with the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), the Guardian, and other media partners. The data covers a 30-month period. It may show the tip of an iceberg.

The politicians

The leaked bank records show multiple payments to several former members of the Council of Europe’s parliamentary assembly, Pace. One is Eduard Lintner, a German ex-MP and member of the Christian Social Union, the Bavarian sister party to Angela Merkel’s ruling Christian Democrats. Another is the Italian former chair of the centre-right group in Pace, Luca Volontè.

The payments came at a time when Azerbaijan was under fire for arresting human rights activists and journalists, and for holding rigged elections. The regime sought to blunt criticism from Europe and the US by allegedly bribing delegates in what has been called “caviar diplomacy”.

This intensive lobbying operation was so successful that Council of Europe members voted against a 2013 report critical of Azerbaijan.

Everything you need to know about the Azerbaijani Laundromat
Lintner stood down as an MP in 2010, but remained a firm supporter of Azerbaijan. He founded the Society for the Promotion of German-Azerbaijani Relations in Berlin, which received €819,500 (£755,000). One €61,000 payment was made two weeks after Lintner returned to Berlin from a trip to Azerbaijan where he monitored the country’s 2013 presidential election. He said the poll was up to “German standards” – in direct contrast to official election observers who found “significant problems”.

Lintner says he received the money for his society, did not personally benefit, and was not an MP or Council of Europe member at the time. An Azerbaijani NGO paid for his election trip, he says. He says he has no knowledge of the original source of the payments received.

Luca Volontè. Photograph: Vano Shlamov/AFP/Getty Images
Details of cash given to Volontè emerged in 2016 and caused outrage. He received more than €2m in instalments via his Italian-based Novae Terrae foundation. Prosecutors in Milan have indicted him for money laundering and corruption.

Volontè denies wrongdoing. He is seeking to have the case thrown out.

The data also shows money being paid via the British companies to Kalin Mitrev, a Bulgarian appointed last year to the board of the London-based European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. Mitrev received at least €425,000 for private consulting work from a local Azeri company, Avuar Co. He acknowledges the payments and says they were for legitimate business consultancy. He denies all knowledge of the conduit used to execute them or the original source of the funds.

“All the income, generated by activities in different countries, was duly reported and taxed in my country of residence, Bulgaria,” Mitrev said. His consultancy work stopped when he joined the London bank, he said.

The revelation that her husband consulted for an Azeri company might prove awkward for Mitrev’s wife, Irina Bokova, who is the director general of Unesco. Bokova has bestowed one of Unesco’s highest honours, the Mozart Medal on Azerbaijan’s first lady and vice-president, Mehriban Aliyeva. She also hosted a photo exhibition at Unesco’s headquarters in Paris, entitled Azerbaijan – A Land of Tolerance. The Heydar Aliyev foundation organised the event.

Asked by the Guardian whether there was a conflict between her husband’s work and her UN role, she strongly denied this, saying she had no knowledge of her husband’s business affairs. “As a director general of a UN agency, my duty is to develop sound working relations with all members of the organisation in conformity with the policies set by member states. Azerbaijan is not an exception in this respect.”

“I am immensely proud of my determined pursuit of the mandate of Unesco, including in the area of human rights, freedom of expression and the safety of journalists.”

The lobbyists

Large sums from the scheme were spent on lobbying. In 2014 Eckart Sager, a former CNN producer based in London, received nearly €2m from the British companies. His PR company is linked to articles that promote the Azerbaijani government and its views. One piece denies wrongdoing by Baku in the Volontè case. Sager did not comment.

Another beneficiary is a London-based Azeri, Jovdat Guliyev, who received 25 payments totalling almost £400,000. Guliyev is a member of the Anglo-Azerbaijani Society, a lobby group co-chaired by the Liberal Democrat peer Lord German. Guliyev did not respond to repeated messages asking him for a comment.

The British connection

The four firms at the centre of the Azerbaijani Laundromat were all limited partnerships registered in the UK. They were: Metastar Invest, based at a service address in Birmingham; Hilux Services and Polux Management, set up in Glasgow; and LCM Alliance, from Potters Bar, Hertfordshire. Their corporate “partners” are anonymous tax haven entities based in the British Virgin Islands, Seychelles and Belize.

Glasgow, where two of the four firms at the centre of the Azerbaijani Laundromat were set up. Photograph: Mark Liddell#118848/Flickr Vision
L Burke Files, an international financial investigator, said these company structures were “purposefully opaque”. Foreign criminals used Scottish limited partnerships, or SLPs, he said. In June the government announced SLPs would have to name their significant owners, or pay fines, amid evidence of growing fraud.

“No one suspects Scotland. It’s never been on the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) list of non-compliant countries,” Files said. “If you are going to launder money it’s probably best not to run it between Russia, Malta and the Cayman Islands. Does Scotland raise a red flag in your mind? No.”

All four British companies are named as payment channels in the Italian prosecution case against Volontè. They have since been dissolved.

Luxury services

The banking data shows that the Azerbaijani fund was used for a wide variety of purposes. More than $2.9bn went to companies, with about $50m paid out to individuals. Many beneficiaries were retail and service firms in western Europe. In all probability, they would have been unaware of the origins of the payments they were receiving.

Some of the 200 money transfers to the UK concerned education. In 2014 £89,800 was transferred to Queen Ethelburga’s Collegiate, a private boarding school in York. The school would not identify the pupil or pupils involved or comment.

Queen Ethelburga’s Collegiate. Photograph: PR
There were payments to the tuition college Bellerbys and to the ICS international school in London. Bellerbys said it was investigating. The data suggests there were a number of relatively modest bursaries to regime-connected Azerbaijani students studying in Britain, as well as rental deposits on upmarket London flats. Other purchases included designer dresses, luxury cars and legal fees. There is no suggestion the UK recipients should have known about the provenance of the money.

Azerbaijan’s ruling family is not directly named. But the evidence of a connection is overwhelming. Large sums come via the state-owned International Bank of Azerbaijan. This is the largest bank in an oil-wealthy country, and yet earlier this summer it filed for bankruptcy protection in New York. The defence and emergency situations ministries in Baku all chip in cash.

The scheme was used to pay for the government’s incidental expenses including the medical bills of Yaqub Eyyubov, Azerbaijan’s first deputy prime minister. There were separate payments to Eyyubov’s son Emin, Azerbaijan’s EU ambassador, and to the president’s press secretary, Azer Gasimov.

Business partners of the US president, Donald Trump, in a project to build a luxury Trump Tower in Baku also appear in the Laundromat scheme.

The hotel’s local developer was Anar Mammadov, the billionaire son of Azerbaijan’s ex-transport minister Ziya Mammadov. At the time the scheme operated, the Mammadovs were one of the country’s most powerful and wealthy families. The Mammadovs’ Baghlan holding company is linked to Laundromat transactions.

In 2012 the Trump Organisation signed a deal with the Mammadovs to build a 33-floor, 130-metre-high “ultra-modern” skyscraper. In October 2014 Ivanka Trump toured Trump Tower Baku, posting photos of the unfinished building on her Instagram account. The hotel never opened. Trump has since cut his connection with the project. The Laundromat scheme does not link to Trump but raises questions about his choice of business partners.

The paymasters

It is not entirely clear where the money used in the scheme comes from. The Russian government paid $29.4m into the Laundromat via its main weapons company, Rosoboronexport. Several transactions link to another $20bn money-laundering scheme, which operated out of Moscow between 2010 and 2014. The scheme, the Global Laundromat, was exposed in March by the OCCRP, Novaya Gazeta and the Guardian.

A mysterious private firm in Baku, Baktelekom MMC, pays in more than $1.4bn. The firm is what fraud experts call a doppelganger entity. It sounds like the state telecoms firm with the same name but bears no relation to it. It doesn’t have a website. Its function is unclear. According to the OCCRP, Baktelekom MMC is linked to Mehriban Aliyeva. In January the company was let off a $17.4m tax bill.

The Danish bank Danske said it had not been good enough at monitoring suspicious transactions at its Estonian branch. The bank has since “tightened procedures and controls” and “terminated relationships” with some customers.

“We will not accept Danske being exploited for money laundering or other criminal purposes. We will do everything to prevent it from happening again,” it said.

Madis Reimand, the head of Estonia’s financial intelligence unit, said his office had come across the suspicious Azerbaijani cash flows in 2013 while analysing a separate case. “From there we followed the tracks,” he said. “We tried to cooperate with the source country in order to ascertain where the money came from. This, however, didn’t work out.”

Reimand said Estonia’s financial supervisory authority had identified what had gone wrong and taken steps to prevent similar fraud in the future.

Clarification: It has been suggested to us by Kalin Mitrev that this article may be understood as alleging that he was involved in corruption and/or money laundering in association with the Azerbaijani Laundromat. Whilst we do not agree with Mr Mitrev that the article conveys such a meaning, we are happy to make it clear that that we did not intend to suggest this.
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How did you read this as Armenia being in trouble??
 

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How did you read this as Armenia being in trouble??
Those involved in the scheme: ruling class of Scotland, UK and Russia are all involved in a money laundering operation with Azerbaijan. They’ve already sold their patronage. Armenia was counting on Russia support and the European Union to help make the territory in question recognized internationally. Which was a long shot to begin with. Throw in your story about Iran, who’s left in Armenian corner? Kardahians?
 
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Those involved in the scheme: ruling class of Scotland, UK and Russia are all involved in a money laundering operation with Azerbaijan. They’ve already sold their patronage. Armenia was counting on Russia support and the European Union to help make the territory in question recognized internationally. Which was a long shot to begin with. Throw in your story about Iran, who’s left in Armenian corner? Kardahians?
Ah I'm with you now. Yea, looks like the Azeri's greased all the right palms.
 

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Biden has publicly stated he’ll protect the Christian Armenians.

It seems the other candidate is taking a more isolationist approach and may let a second Armenian Genocide happen again.
Did Biden say he was going to invade Azerbaijan?
 

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ISTANBUL (AP) — Turkey and Ukraine signed military cooperation agreements in Istanbul on Friday, deepening a defense partnership seen as an effort to counterbalance Russia’s dominance in the Black Sea region.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy and Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan oversaw the signing of a “goodwill” agreement concerning the defense industry and a “military framework agreement,” officials said, although details of the agreements were not immediately known.

“Turkey sees Ukraine as a key country for the establishment (of) stability, security, peace and prosperity in the region,” Erdogan said following the signing ceremony between the two Black Sea nations that have been enhancing military ties in recent years.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...rs-of-turkey-ukraine-sign-military-agreements

I’m afraid these gears have been in motion for years and the US has been providing grease to Azerbaijan.
 

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https://tolishmedia.com/2020/10/231...oayl8N4qvB36FcWhTPDlccT7WSwkmTCFUTGlO8UgCoAPF

In Russian. I think. Possible translation.
Anti-Azerbaijani policy of Turkey and Israel, or how Azerbaijan is buried

The twenty-day Karabakh-Azerbaijani war acquires a different character and course, revealing itself in a new way.

It is no secret that this adventurous war launched by Azerbaijan was actually unleashed by the Turkish regime of Erdogan and Israel. Initially, Israel's participation in the war consisted in the sale of a large amount of weapons and ammunition to Azerbaijan, as well as in the provision of appropriate military specialists.

At first glance, it might seem that this is another war between the countries, Karabakh, Armenia and Azerbaijan, which were unable to resolve their problems and tensions through negotiations or peacefully and resorted to the force of arms to achieve their military-political goals. But this is only at first glance, because the real goal and motives for unleashing a war are much dangerous and deep.

In fact, this is not a war between Karabakh, Armenia and Azerbaijan, but a large-scale anti-Iranian, anti-Armenian and even anti-Azerbaijani war between Turkey and Israel. Why anti-Azerbaijani, because it is aimed at deporting the Azerbaijani population and autochthonous peoples, occupying the Azerbaijani territory. And now, in order.

Let's start with the fact that Turkish President Erdogan keeps repeating that Azerbaijan and Turkey are one nation, but two states, and Ilham Aliyev is his younger brother, and in addition, he connects this with pan-Turkic propaganda, that is, he seeks to unite Turkey and Azerbaijan. creating one nation and one state. In other words, to deprive the younger brother of the state and power. However, there is a very big obstacle on the way to the implementation of this program: this is the factor of the autochthonous peoples of Azerbaijan, who in no way want to assimilate with the Azerbaijanis, preserve their culture at any cost and strive to restore their statehood.

Naturally, the dictator of Baku will not be able to suppress the struggle of autochthonous peoples for a long time, and at some point the Talysh, Lezgins, Tats and others will start a civil war and restore their historical territories. Considering this risk, Turkey dragged Azerbaijan into a forced war.

First of all, Turkey seeks to expel Armenians from Karabakh and again carry out the Armenian genocide. For this, Turkey has transferred terrorists from Syria and Libya to Azerbaijan. But instead of fighting on the battlefield, terrorists oppress representatives of autochthonous peoples and Shiite believers, while Talysh, Tats, Lezgins and Avars are dying in the war. The policy of extermination of autochthonous peoples has reached a level that the authorities do not allow to help and save the lives of wounded soldiers. It turns out that the soldiers fighting in the Azerbaijani army perish in one way or another.

Added to this is the fact that Syrian terrorists receive the status of Azerbaijani citizenship. In other words, the genocide of autochthonous peoples and the resettlement of terrorists are taking place inside Azerbaijan. As a result of terrorist pressure and the horrific socio-economic conditions of the war, it is only natural that it will be easier to expel autochthonous peoples from their homes and lands and implement the plan of unification under the auspices of Turkey.

As for Israel, in addition to the huge income from the sale of weapons to Azerbaijan, it benefits from the destruction of the Shiites. It is no secret that Israel's number one enemy is Iran and the Islamic system, and if during the war they manage to capture the border regions connecting Karabakh with Iran, Turkey and Israel will send their armed forces and terrorists to Iran and immediately start a war against Iran.

It is difficult to say to what extent the plans of Turkey and Israel will be implemented, but it is obvious that Azerbaijan has become a toy in their hands and sooner or later the Aliyev regime will be overthrown, and Azerbaijan's failures in the Karabakh-Azerbaijani war only accelerate this process.
 

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The U.S. House of Representatives has received a resolution on the expulsion of Turkey from NATO. The resolution was introduced by House member Tulsi Gabbard.

H.Res.1195 - Condemning Turkey's attacks on United States forces and allies and Turkey's continued support for terrorist organizations.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/1195?s=1&r=2
 

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The U.S. House of Representatives has received a resolution on the expulsion of Turkey from NATO. The resolution was introduced by House member Tulsi Gabbard.

H.Res.1195 - Condemning Turkey's attacks on United States forces and allies and Turkey's continued support for terrorist organizations.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/1195?s=1&r=2
I wonder if the EU would go for it...they pay Turkey billons annually to keep people from crossing the border.
 
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UrbanCowboy1

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The U.S. House of Representatives has received a resolution on the expulsion of Turkey from NATO. The resolution was introduced by House member Tulsi Gabbard.

H.Res.1195 - Condemning Turkey's attacks on United States forces and allies and Turkey's continued support for terrorist organizations.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/1195?s=1&r=2
That right there is why I contributed to her campaign. She walks the walk and isn't afraid to speak the truth. Regardless of any other political beliefs, that's such a refreshing approach.