Venezuelan asylum-seekers warn that lockdown-era America is a taste of socialism

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/venezuelan-asylum-seekers-lockdown-america-socialism

Venezuelan asylum-seekers warn that lockdown-era America is a taste of socialism

By Adam Shaw | Fox News
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Two Venezuelan asylum-seekers are warning that the recent shutdowns in response to the coronavirus pandemic are giving Americans a taste of the socialist ideology that drove their homeland down the road to economic and social ruin -- and are urging Americans to avoid going down that path in the future, even if public health imperatives dictate strict measures now.
“When this whole situation with the pandemic started, it was like some sort of flashback of how my life was in Venezuela seeing all of these shortages in stores, the lines you have to do to get some groceries, the surveillance ordered by the government to enforce social distancing,” Jorge Galicia told Fox News in an interview Wednesday. “I can see a lot of similarities between the pandemic and how socialism was working for us in Venezuela.”
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Galicia, a freedom activist who came to the U.S. in 2018 after he says he suffered political persecution from despot Nicolas Maduro's regime, along with fellow exile Andrés Guilarte, have been warning of the dangers of socialism for months as part of a college campus tour promoted by The Fund for American Studies.
They have a tough climb ahead of them. Progressive ideas such as "Medicare-for-all," basic income plans and exorbitant welfare spending have increasingly caught on, particularly amid the economic downturn, and left-wing members of Congress such as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., have become increasingly popular in recent years -- with Sanders at one point a top contender for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.
Meanwhile, the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) says its membership has surged by 10,000 since March.
"People are really starting to just look around and say, 'Man, capitalism isn't working,'" an unnamed co-chair of the Detroit DSA chapter told The Atlantic. "If the markets can’t even produce hand sanitizer or toilet paper or masks during a plague -- what good is this system?"
But Galicia and Guilarte have pointed to the ruin of Venezuela under Maduro as an example of how socialism leads to less freedom and less prosperity. Under the Maduro regime, the country has been dogged by malnutrition, disease and violence, as well as accusations that the government is engaged in money laundering and supporting terrorism.
Stay-at-home orders and other restrictions on everyday life in the U.S. aren't anywhere near the tragedy of modern Venezuela. But with jobless claims surging to historic levels amid lockdown measures and some on the left advocating for a massive welfare system as the answer, Galicia and Guilarte have a warning.
“My mission right now is to speak loud and to share my story about what happened and why Venezuela went from being one of the richest nations around the world to being one of the poorest right now -- and pretty much the answer is socialism,” Galicia said.
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The pair have helped create a video to warn Americans about the dangers of socialism, and point to the temporary hardships as a foreshadowing of what would happen if the U.S. embraces socialism. They also point to societal changes, too, such as officials encouraging people to rat out their neighbors who are not following social distancing guidelines.

“In this crisis, Americans are getting a taste of what it is like to living in a socialist country -- scarcity, mistrust, massive unemployment and uncertainty,” the video says.
Galicia said he believes socialism is so popular, particularly among young people, because politicians promoting socialist policies are presenting solutions to real problems on issues such as health care and college tuition -- but the policies, he says, do not solve those problems.
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He says that while America does have its share of problems, pursuing a socialist path is not the way forward.
"When you compare the problems that we’re facing in Venezuela because of following socialism, you will realize America is a paradise,” he told Fox News. "We have problems but socialism is never the answer -- that's my message."
 

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Who wants to start abolishing socialism by abolishing Social Security and Medicare? Nobody? I'm not surprised.

By the way, capitalism works when under pressure. Wal-Mart has had plenty of toilet paper for a while.

But now no bicycles at the store? Blame it on capitalism for shipping production of them to a Communist country--China.
 

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Who wants to start abolishing socialism by abolishing Social Security and Medicare? Nobody? I'm not surprised.

By the way, capitalism works when under pressure. Wal-Mart has had plenty of toilet paper for a while.

But now no bicycles at the store? Blame it on capitalism for shipping production of them to a Communist country--China.
By the time you're old enough to receive SS and Medicare, you've been paying into the system your entire working life. If anything, it's a pyramid scam and I figure my wife's generation will be the bag holders.
 

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Who wants to start abolishing socialism by abolishing Social Security and Medicare? Nobody? I'm not surprised.

By the way, capitalism works when under pressure. Wal-Mart has had plenty of toilet paper for a while.

But now no bicycles at the store? Blame it on capitalism for shipping production of them to a Communist country--China.
Those are capitalist inventions for safety nets in the ups and downs of the economy. The regulatory agencies are the socialist parts of this country. But you would have to know what socialism is to understand that.
 
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By the time you're old enough to receive SS and Medicare, you've been paying into the system your entire working life. If anything, it's a pyramid scam and I figure my wife's generation will be the bag holders.
Im guessing you wife is in her late 40's early 50's. I am 49 and if I were to get 1 dollar of the money I paid in, I will be fortunate.
 

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Im guessing you wife is in her late 40's early 50's. I am 49 and if I were to get 1 dollar of the money I paid in, I will be fortunate.
Correctamundo. Too bad our money is used to fund the current obligation AND to try to account for the shortfall caused by raiding the piggy bank.
 

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Im guessing you wife is in her late 40's early 50's. I am 49 and if I were to get 1 dollar of the money I paid in, I will be fortunate.

I'm 58, and I'm hoping I'll get some of mine, but yeah, I think you're prolly toast.

Unless the covid kills all the old people. That might be the only thing that saves SS.
 

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Im guessing you wife is in her late 40's early 50's. I am 49 and if I were to get 1 dollar of the money I paid in, I will be fortunate.
I'm 58, and I'm hoping I'll get some of mine, but yeah, I think you're prolly toast.

Unless the covid kills all the old people. That might be the only thing that saves SS.
No need to worry, I've said this for years: no politician will ever let SS become "insolvent." SS is the one program they use to distribute money for votes that no one argues against because we all hold out the hope we'll be able to recoup the money "we" put in - even though we know all past funds have been raided for other giveaways.

Just think of SS as the UBI for a very predictable voting block. I've voted my pocketbook for many years, and not the royal "my" pocketbook that benefits society as a whole (a noble concept, BTW), but literally MY pocketbook. Many years after SS SHOULD have been bankrupt due to gross mismanagement I've already been getting mine for a year and my wife starts getting hers this month.

We don't need SS to live comfortably and many have argued that folks in our position should forfeit our SS payments. Eff that and eff them. Think how many vacations I could have taken over the years with the money i paid in. I'll take them now, thank you very much. And we've given a lot to our kids - each of whom works hard themselves and are self-supporting, which makes it even more gratifying for us.

That's why I chuckle when you kids (in your 40s and 50s) worry about collecting your SS. Don't worry, they'll just print more money to cover your payouts as long as we keep voting them in (speaking of both Rs and Ds here). I've convinced my kids (late 20s and early 30s) to save and invest as if they are 100% fully responsible for their own retirements. Social Security's day of reckoning will come, but it's at least a generation away because it will take at least that long to elect enough fiscally responsible representatives to change the system.
 

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Let me opt out of social insecurity. I can handle my retirement on my own. That’s my biggest complaint
I would fully opt out and even sacrifice any interest of what i put in so far. Just let me cash out what I have and force me to put it in an IRA or something, else be early withdrawal taxed. Then I can contribute in that and ensure i get my 6% increase year over year on average minimum for my retirement. Guarantee I could retire sooner than SS would 'allow' me to retire as it is.