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wrenhal

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https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1235326593037471746?s=20

It's good that he did this. Supreme Court Justices should be above partisan attacks. Schumer was clearly out of line here and he needs to stay out of the courts business.

The only problem I have here is where was he last month when Trump was calling out Sotomayor and Ginsburg? @NotOnTV @jakeman did you guys have the same about of anger when it was the other side doing the exact same thing or is this just a little faux outrage?
Called them out, or threatened them?

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wrenhal

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The violent rhetoric happens on both sides, unfortunately, but it certainly seems as of late that it comes more from the left.

We could go back and forth all day citing examples on both sides, but it certainly seems as if it comes from multiple people on the left lately and primarily from one particularly high placed individual on the right.

I could be wrong, I clearly lean right, so I’m sure that jades my perception.
If you look at the video I posted of the guy who was the gay liberal and became a conservative in charge of a movement he called walk away. then you would listen to somebody from the left even saying that it does not happen on the right in the large percentages like it does on the left.

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wrenhal

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I interpret it exactly the way I stated it. It came from the one highly placed individual on the right. I don't think anyone made any excuses for him, it's a pretty reprehensible thing to suggest. If you can find where I did, for that particular statement, I'll gladly retract it. I mean, I'm not from Brooklyn or anything, so I'll make an attempt to make it not backhanded and a double down and more of an apology.

My memory is fine.
You're really not one of the ones I was speaking of even though I quoted your post. And I'm doing the thing everyone said they didn't want to do, go back and forth citing terrible things people have said. But here I go again. Another one of Trump's:

Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.
But when I talk to "conservatives" they say Trump NEVER called for a Muslim ban. Now that's some spin right there.
He never did call for a complete Muslim ban. There was a list of certain countries only. And it was anyone coming from them, even if not Muslim.

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See, this is kinda my thing. He's a pussy grabber. He an unpresidential son of a bitch. He is a horrible person. He is a colossal douche bag. Pretty much unrivaled in his douche baggery, but I just don't think every tweet or every time he farts is reason to impeach him or spend millions and millions of tax dollars on a drawn out investigation that is going to produce absolutely nothing.

He won the election. He's a prick. Get the fuk over it, grow the fuk up, and let's move on.
If you want him gone, nominate someone that isn't a stiff. What we are looking at now is something akin to the Patriots playing a Pop Warner team from Perkins.
Agreed. What I try to speak out against are the whatabouters, though. Every time a dumb/horrible thing Trump says is mentioned, they revert to anything they can think of that someone on the left has done. Which is okay I guess. Until the next Dem president. Because if that person implies Antifa "do something" about a political rival and you want to be outraged, remember what you let Trump get away with. And round and round we go. Yada yada yada.
Except we know that antifa IS violent. 2nd amendment supporters really aren't.

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He did single out Muslims in one speech. One. After that he qualified it as travel from predominately muslim countries. CNN of course add the word "all Muslims" to the narrative but I haven't even been able to track down the full quote have gave in that ONE speech.

I would never support banning people on the basis of religion from entering the country. It is unAmerican and the court rightly held that one comment against him. Like I said, I still believe that Trump is marginally qualified and marginally capable at best to be the president of this country, but to me the alternatives are even more frightening...and that's not saying much.
 
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Agreed. What I try to speak out against are the whatabouters, though. Every time a dumb/horrible thing Trump says is mentioned, they revert to anything they can think of that someone on the left has done. Which is okay I guess. Until the next Dem president. Because if that person implies Antifa "do something" about a political rival and you want to be outraged, remember what you let Trump get away with. And round and round we go. Yada yada yada.
In general the people on the right don't scare me. They are pretty level headed and follow the law. The people on the left on the other hand fill up our prisons and are responsible for the overwhelming majority of violent acts in this country. Antifa, KKK and Neo Nazis are all groups pushing a socialist agenda which in the U.S. is leftist. They all love using identity politics to create groups and classes so they can keep the other groups out. Then we call half of these groups far right so they can be tied to conservative who are politically as far removed from any of these groups as you can be.

Why do you think democrats want to give felons back their voting rights. It's not because felons are overwhelmingly conservative.

Oath Keepers are a more conservative militant group. I'm trying to think of the last time they got violent without it being in self defense. Heck I'm trying to think of more conservative militant groups I'm sure there are some out there but they don't garner much attention.

Give me a break on your fears of violence from conservatives it rarely if ever happens.
 

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In general the people on the right don't scare me. They are pretty level headed and follow the law. The people on the left on the other hand fill up our prisons and are responsible for the overwhelming majority of violent acts in this country. Antifa, KKK and Neo Nazis are all groups pushing a socialist agenda which in the U.S. is leftist. They all love using identity politics to create groups and classes so they can keep the other groups out. Then we call half of these groups far right so they can be tied to conservative who are politically as far removed from any of these groups as you can be.

Why do you think democrats want to give felons back their voting rights. It's not because felons are overwhelmingly conservative.

Oath Keepers are a more conservative militant group. I'm trying to think of the last time they got violent without it being in self defense. Heck I'm trying to think of more conservative militant groups I'm sure there are some out there but they don't garner much attention.

Give me a break on your fears of violence from conservatives it rarely if ever happens.
You are showing your heavy, heavy bias. We've had plenty of violence from people on the right. I'm not really looking to get into this one, though. Yeesh.
 

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Those were secret leftists. Otherwise they'd be level headed and law abiding.
They are out there, I never denied that. The nuts doing harm in abortion clinics are nut job right wingers. There are simply fewer of them. Wesboro Baptist is a group of nut's who I'm assuming are conservative in some way but they are nuts.
 

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What price did Schumer intend that they would pay? They can't be voted out. They can't be impeached for how they rule in the case. So what price exactly did Schumer intend for these justices if they didn't rule the way he thought they should.....especially considering he was addressing an angry crowd of protesters.

Now, I'm more than willing to consider that he meant the Republican party would pay a price at the polls, but not ONCE has the left ever given consideration to what Trump meant when his rhetoric isn't clear...not once. So pick which set of rules you want and apply them to both sides equally.
Trump tends to be intentionally ambiguous with his rhetoric and he seems to have a bone to pick with the first amendment (specifically freedom of the press). It's kinda hard to continually give him a pass on stuff like that.
 

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You are showing your heavy, heavy bias. We've had plenty of violence from people on the right. I'm not really looking to get into this one, though. Yeesh.
The difference isn't in the existence of violent extremists, those exist on both sides, the difference is in how they are treated in relation to the political parties. I have never heard Democrats get repeatedly asked if they disavow antifa the way the Republicans get asked to disavow white supremacists. The media act like at best, the Republican are just afraid to lose those votes and at worst, actively support their views. You'll never see similar things said about the Dems by the likes of ABC, CBS or NBC.

I've also never heard of a Republican mayor telling the police to stand down while a mob of KKK protesters stops traffics and bullies people in the street. Obviously it could have happened but I have to believe it would be national news if it did. We know of at least two examples of Dem mayors being soft on antifa protests when they got out of hand.
 

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Trump tends to be intentionally ambiguous with his rhetoric and he seems to have a bone to pick with the first amendment (specifically freedom of the press). It's kinda hard to continually give him a pass on stuff like that.
Ambiguous - open to more than one interpretation.
Intentionally - on purpose.

Now you're criticizing Trump because you know what he's thinking. I object.

As I said, the left and the media always assumes the worst possible interpretation when Trump speaks even when as you say, they can't be sure. In this case, Schumer named the supreme courts justices specifically and then said they would pay a price. As I also said, I'm willing to consider the idea that Schumer meant the party in general would pay a price at the polls, even though what he said was not all that ambiguous. I'm just asking you to either give Trump the same consideration of give Schumer the same condemnation.

I'd have a bone to pick with the media too if they slandered me the way they have Trump. That wouldn't necessarily mean I have a problem with the 1st amendment in general, just with the partisan hacks who were attacking me.
 
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wrenhal

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Those were secret leftists. Otherwise they'd be level headed and law abiding.
They are out there, I never denied that. The nuts doing harm in abortion clinics are nut job right wingers. There are simply fewer of them. Wesboro Baptist is a group of nut's who I'm assuming are conservative in some way but they are nuts.
Westboro are a bunch of baiting lawyers from pretty much one family. They are selfish and greedy and pick fights to sue people. I really don't think they believe half the stuff they spew.

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