Trump rejects GOP proposal to end shutdown

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Binman4OSU

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Senate Republicans led by Lindsey Graham met and worked out a proposal that would reopen the govt. Graham and the GOP Senators had been working with VP Pence and Cheif of Staff Mick Mulvaney as consultants to them. Pence and Mulvaney presented the proposal to Trump at the WH yesterday which he rejected.

Graham said after it was rejected by Trump

"I think we're stuck. I just don't see a pathway forward. I don't see a way forward," "I have never been more depressed about moving forward than I am right now. I just don’t see a pathway forward."

The proposal the GOP Senators had worked on was for the Senate Appropriations Committee to take up legislation to deliver $5.7 billion for border wall funding and bring it to the floor in exchange for ending the Govt Shutdown and working with Dems to pass a comprehensive bi-partisan immigration bill which included $5.7 billion for wall funding.

Graham said Senate Democrats had expressed interest in agreeing to a 2 year wall funding proposal in which Trump gets $8 billion over 2 years for the wall in exchange for temporary protection for immigrants covered by DACA
 

Cimarron

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It is a story from Politico and Washington Post so possibly ...I think they scrubbed the Dem side of it...Seems Trump and Pelosi both rejected it
Or rather Trump recognized it as another empty promise from Democrats.
 

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The proposal the GOP Senators had worked on was for the Senate Appropriations Committee to take up legislation to deliver $5.7 billion for border wall funding and bring it to the floor in exchange for ending the Govt Shutdown and working with Dems to pass a comprehensive bi-partisan immigration bill which included $5.7 billion for wall funding.

Graham said Senate Democrats had expressed interest in agreeing to a 2 year wall funding proposal in which Trump gets $8 billion over 2 years for the wall in exchange for temporary protection for immigrants covered by DACA
This isn't a compromise, it's a slap in the face. Basically what they are offering is reopen the government and after that we will take up legislation for funding the wall. Nothing requires them to do it and even if they bring it up, there's no guarantee it will pass. And funding over 2 years might as well be zero funding at all. Nothing and I mean nothing requires that funding to be continued next year.

More than once in the past, we have had immigration bills passed in exchange for building a wall in the future.....well obviously it never happened, so I think Trump knows that he needs to get the funding up front and on the books before hand or it won't happen. The Reps know this, the Dems knows this, anybody who isn't an idiot knows this.

Hell, I've been arguing against the wall on this forum and even I'm glad Trump threw this "deal" back in their faces.
 

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Senate Republicans led by Lindsey Graham met and worked out a proposal that would reopen the govt. Graham and the GOP Senators had been working with VP Pence and Cheif of Staff Mick Mulvaney as consultants to them. Pence and Mulvaney presented the proposal to Trump at the WH yesterday which he rejected.

Graham said after it was rejected by Trump

"I think we're stuck. I just don't see a pathway forward. I don't see a way forward," "I have never been more depressed about moving forward than I am right now. I just don’t see a pathway forward."

The proposal the GOP Senators had worked on was for the Senate Appropriations Committee to take up legislation to deliver $5.7 billion for border wall funding and bring it to the floor in exchange for ending the Govt Shutdown and working with Dems to pass a comprehensive bi-partisan immigration bill which included $5.7 billion for wall funding.

Graham said Senate Democrats had expressed interest in agreeing to a 2 year wall funding proposal in which Trump gets $8 billion over 2 years for the wall in exchange for temporary protection for immigrants covered by DACA
lol.... we proposed talking some more about it, even on the Floor, if he would just cave in first.

we have an interest in agreeing, he just has to cave in first.
 

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This isn't a compromise, it's a slap in the face. Basically what they are offering is reopen the government and after that we will take up legislation for funding the wall. Nothing requires them to do it and even if they bring it up, there's no guarantee it will pass. And funding over 2 years might as well be zero funding at all. Nothing and I mean nothing requires that funding to be continued next year.

More than once in the past, we have had immigration bills passed in exchange for building a wall in the future.....well obviously it never happened, so I think Trump knows that he needs to get the funding up front and on the books before hand or it won't happen. The Reps know this, the Dems knows this, anybody who isn't an idiot knows this.

Hell, I've been arguing against the wall on this forum and even I'm glad Trump threw this "deal" back in their faces.
Don't they call it a flim flam?
 
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Opinion
HART: Government’s shutdown: Notice anything different? Exactly

By Ron Hart | Syndicated columnist
Posted at 9:35 AM

Shouldn’t there be chaos?

The government shut down Dec. 21 over Sen. Chuck Schumer and Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi petulantly not wanting Trump to have any border wall funding. The federal government spends $4.4 trillion a year; the $5 billion Trump wanted is one-tenth of 1 percent of that. About the same percent that Elizabeth “Pocahontas” Warren is Native American.

If you are like me, you are more worried about government starting back up than it being shut down.

Who will open our open-air national parks? Who will answer the phones when we call? Who will give us the runaround at the IRS? Who will put us into intractable wars? Who will use the Justice Department to go after political opponents? Who will put us $22 trillion in debt?

Most of NASA is shut down, including the division that we pay to monitor to see if aliens in outer space try to contact us. I trust they put their “Out of Office” message on their email before they went home, in case aliens contact us.

Shouldn’t there be chaos? Why are you not looting Target for a flat-screen TV? Who will let me know when the panda cam is back on at the Washington Zoo?

Two things become clear during a government shutdown: how little we need most of government, and how petulant public servants can be when they do not get their funding. Under Obama, there was much petty government intimidation. Remember how he hired extra people to make sure our open-air national parks were kept shut so citizens could not just walk through them?

Heavy-handed goons run a swollen government monster that intimidates its funders, the taxpayers. It is structurally incapable of spending just a little less than it did the year before and seeks revenge when asked to live within its means. This shutdown teaches us that it is no big deal getting 25 percent of the government out of our lives. Americans will adapt. Let’s shut down most of the government and just hire back any part that we miss.

With historically high employment, I suggest we let about one-third of government employees find real jobs in the real world. You know, jobs that require accountability and productivity. Trump should keep government closed. If you can find it in the Yellow Pages or online, government does not need to be doing it.

Washington and the Deep State hate Trump no matter what he does, even when he does Obama-like things. He has done prison reform, run a huge deficit, is pulling troops out of Syria and Afghanistan, etc. If Trump doesn’t stop acting like Obama, he might ask to see his own birth certificate.

Since the Democrats won the House, the stock market has cratered. The Dems want to investigate, not legislate. House Speaker Paul Ryan has ceded power and decided to let someone else not get anything done.

Schumer, Pelosi and fellow libs run our overreaching, ineffective and expensive government. Should we be happy when government is back? It feels to me like my niece got back together with an abusive husband when that happens.

Trump made an unannounced trip to Iraq over Christmas. With Mueller on his tail and Democrats spending inordinate time wanting to use the blunt force of the federal judiciary to investigate him further, Trump stands as the only president to go to a war-torn area for peace and quiet.

Government shutdowns have become a well-worn path of a dysfunctional Washington. It is like Schumer and Pelosi are walking the marble halls of the Capitol and 20 feet ahead of them they see a banana peel. They both say, “Here we go again.”

The government shutdown over border wall funding is petulant politics at its best. Government means more to Democrats like Schumer and Pelosi because it is their lives. There is no easy off ramp for either side on this standoff. Now it is a waiting game to see who blinks first. And Nancy Pelosi has had so much work done on her face that she can’t blink anymore. So expect her to not rest until she fully embarrasses Trump (a particularly hard man to embarrass) or she captures all 101 Dalmatians.

When the federal government was not working, Trump probably called Tech Support in India to get advice. He told the guy government isn’t working, and the Tech Support guy said, “Just try turning it off for a while, then back on and see if that does the trick.”

A libertarian op-ed humorist and award-winning author, Ron is a frequent guest on CNN.
 
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that echos my sentiments exactly
I found this portion the most amusing.......

Now it is a waiting game to see who blinks first. And Nancy Pelosi has had so much work done on her face that she can’t blink anymore. So expect her to not rest until she fully embarrasses Trump (a particularly hard man to embarrass) or she captures all 101 Dalmatians.

That line begs for somebody to do the Nancy Pelosi as Cruella De Vil meme.