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kaboy42

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Dude, you ARE the center and moderate dems! And you are NOT screaming for Yang or Gabbard. I'm the only idiot doing that around here. You are screaming that the party left you and that you are voting straight party line for republicans. That is my point. People are buying into the divisiveness of people like Trump, H Clinton, Sanders, and Warren and that divisiveness empowers those people. Meanwhile, the Kasich/Yang/Gabbbard types are being told that as soon as they have people on board others will get on board.

It is like telling your chest that as soon as it is able to bench 225lbs you will start working out but until then you are gonna keep eating Doritos like everyone else.
I feel I've been pretty supportive of Gabbard in this forum. AND I haven't said anything negative about Yang, just feel he's a "dreamer". Still, I could see myself voting for him over Trump (and definitely over the field of Dems besides Gabbard).

The Dem party gave me Hillary (one of THE WORST human beings on the face of this planet) and Sanders (a freaking socialist) last time. The Dem party is GOING to give me Biden, Warren or Sanders this time.

Is that not the party clearly saying "sorry... we do not care about you moderates"?


Edit: Love your chest/workout/eating Doritos analogy though. :lol::lol::lol:
 

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I'm a 4th generation Oklahoma Democrat. I was raised by a left of center economic/tax/welfare/education/healthcare leaning (but center to slight right leaning social issue) 3rd generation Farmer/Rancher (that was a second career Lutheran Pastor).

I don't think you could have found a man that was more "center of the road" and he felt the Dems were the party that at least "tried" to stay in the center. Especially in Oklahoma.

I don't think that "center" Dem exists any more. The party and the candidates have swung WAY left.

IF my father were still alive today, I can almost guarantee he'd be switching voter affiliation party as well. I've talked to my mom and my brothers and my sister. They are ALL re-registering as Rep or Ind this year (or have already done so).




And to be clear, I'd actually probably vote for Yang or Gabbard over Trump. But neither of them will make it that far.

You wanna know who my ideal Political candidate is? I've never donated to a candidate in my entire life. Not a single penny. But if Mike Rowe ever runs for any political office, I absolutely will break out my check book and write the biggest fiscally responsible donation I could possibly make. For the love of gawd, I'd kill to see a political candidate I truly, 100% believed in. It has never happened in my life. And I'm not sure that it will.
Agree so much with this. I’d be completely behind the Dems if they actually put out a candidate I could stomach. That includes the following three things:
1) Not playing the race card
2) Not hating on the “rich”
3) Not being against the 2nd Amendment

The Dem candidates that followed those rules? They poll so badly with the constituency that they didn’t even make the debate final debate floor two weeks ago. That tells me all I need to know about the state of the DNC and where it’s going.
 
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kaboy42

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Agree so much with this. I’d be completely behind the Dems if they actually put out a candidate I could stomach. That includes the following three things:
1) Not playing the race card
2) Not hating on the “rich”
3) Not being against the 2nd Amendment

The Dem candidates that followed those rules? They poll so badly with the constituency that they didn’t even make the debate final debate floor two weeks ago. That tells me all I need to know about the state of the DNC and where it’s going.
Let me add one more that just hit me square in the face...

My father was a 3rd generation Okla Dem PRIMARILY because he felt if there was a party that really championed small Ag and Ag-business in Okla and it's continued success, it was the Dem party (at.that.time).

It couldn't be any further from the truth now. The Dem party is about as anti-Ag as you can possibly get. AND the Rep party is pretty damned PRO-corporate farming and really couldn't give a ratsass about small producers.
 
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Wrong as usual. I'm well on record for supporting Johnson in 2016 and am a registered independent. So bullshit your know it all self. Typical democrat. A holes like you and Pokey will drive many into the trump camp.[/QUOTE]

LOL, i know I've posted the Jim Gaffigan bit on McDonalds before, but you guys are the epitome, someone's lying. Let's see, Hillary only won the popular vote because dead people and illegals voted for her, and none of the ultra right wingnuts like you on this board voted for Trump, yet he won. Hmmm, where did all those winning votes come from?? Surely not Russians bots, because Trump is so tough on Russia. And now millions of new disgusted voters are going to swell the Trump ranks, LOLOLOL.
 
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Let me add one more that just hit me square in the face...

My father was a 3rd generation Okla Dem PRIMARILY because he felt if there was a party that really championed small Ag and Ag-business in Okla and it's continued success, it was the Dem party (at.that.time).

It couldn't be any further from the truth now. The Dem party is about as anti-Ag as you can possibly get. AND the Rep party is pretty damned PRO-corporate farming and really couldn't give a ratsass about small producers.
I remember a time that Oklahoma was a solid Democratic state. I hardly knew a Republican. Every Governor was a Democrat. The Democratic Party has moved far to the left and left most Oklahomans far behind with their radical views.
 

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Let's see, Hillary only won the popular vote because dead people and illegals voted for her, and none of the ultra right wingnuts like you on this board voted for Trump, yet he won. Hmmm, where did all those winning votes come from?? .
This article has your answer. I agree with most of it. And, with the exception of Yang and Gabbard, the dems are going right down the same stupid power trip candidate road again and handing this election to Trump barring an economic collapse.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/0...Jlda8E8AL8v98thvVErTToLrr1MoYv6aQsSN1qw5vyIsY

Getting rid of Trump means taking seriously “shit-life syndrome”—and its resulting misery, which includes suicide, drug overdose death, and trauma for surviving communities.

My state of Ohio is home to many shit-life syndrome sufferers. In the 2016 presidential election, Hillary Clinton lost Ohio’s 18 electoral votes to Trump. She got clobbered by over 400,000 votes (more than 8%). She lost 80 of Ohio’s 88 counties. Trump won rural poorer counties, several by whopping margins. Trump got the shit-life syndrome vote.
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“In 2016, Donald Trump captured 68 percent of the vote in West Virginia, a state hit hard by opioid overdoses,” begins the 2018 NPR story: “Analysis Finds Geographic Overlap In Opioid Use And Trump Support In 2016.”


The NPR story was about a study published in JAMA Network Open titled “Association of Chronic Opioid Use With Presidential Voting Patterns in US Counties in 2016,” lead authored by physician James Goodwin. In counties with high rates of opioid use, Trump received 60% of the vote; but Trump received only 39% of the vote in counties with low opioid use. Opioid use is prevalent in poor rural counties, as Goodwin reports in his study: “Approximately two-thirds of the association between opioid rates and presidential voting was explained by socioeconomic variables.”

Goodwin told NPR: “It very well may be that if you’re in a county that is dissolving because of opioids, you’re looking around and you’re seeing ruin. That can lead to a sense of despair . . . . You want something different. You want radical change.”

Shit-life syndrome sufferers are looking for immediate change, and are receptive to unconventional politicians.
 

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Wrong as usual. I'm well on record for supporting Johnson in 2016 and am a registered independent. So bullshit your know it all self. Typical democrat. A holes like you and Pokey will drive many into the trump camp.
LOL, i know I've posted the Jim Gaffigan bit on McDonalds before, but you guys are the epitome, someone's lying. Let's see, Hillary only won the popular vote because dead people and illegals voted for her, and none of the ultra right wingnuts like you on this board voted for Trump, yet he won. Hmmm, where did all those winning votes come from?? Surely not Russians bots, because Trump is so tough on Russia. And now millions of new disgusted voters are going to swell the Trump ranks, LOLOLOL.[/QUOTE]

Wow, what an absolutely infantile, moronic post. See you on election day......loser.
 
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This article has your answer. I agree with most of it. And, with the exception of Yang and Gabbard, the dems are going right down the same stupid power trip candidate road again and handing this election to Trump barring an economic collapse.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/0...Jlda8E8AL8v98thvVErTToLrr1MoYv6aQsSN1qw5vyIsY

Getting rid of Trump means taking seriously “shit-life syndrome”—and its resulting misery, which includes suicide, drug overdose death, and trauma for surviving communities.

My state of Ohio is home to many shit-life syndrome sufferers. In the 2016 presidential election, Hillary Clinton lost Ohio’s 18 electoral votes to Trump. She got clobbered by over 400,000 votes (more than 8%). She lost 80 of Ohio’s 88 counties. Trump won rural poorer counties, several by whopping margins. Trump got the shit-life syndrome vote.
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“In 2016, Donald Trump captured 68 percent of the vote in West Virginia, a state hit hard by opioid overdoses,” begins the 2018 NPR story: “Analysis Finds Geographic Overlap In Opioid Use And Trump Support In 2016.”


The NPR story was about a study published in JAMA Network Open titled “Association of Chronic Opioid Use With Presidential Voting Patterns in US Counties in 2016,” lead authored by physician James Goodwin. In counties with high rates of opioid use, Trump received 60% of the vote; but Trump received only 39% of the vote in counties with low opioid use. Opioid use is prevalent in poor rural counties, as Goodwin reports in his study: “Approximately two-thirds of the association between opioid rates and presidential voting was explained by socioeconomic variables.”

Goodwin told NPR: “It very well may be that if you’re in a county that is dissolving because of opioids, you’re looking around and you’re seeing ruin. That can lead to a sense of despair . . . . You want something different. You want radical change.”

Shit-life syndrome sufferers are looking for immediate change, and are receptive to unconventional politicians.
Excellent article, thanks for posting. Shit Life Shyndome, never heard that coined before.
 
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And I would like to see Warren just to see Trump be a no-show at the debate. She would chew him up and spit him out. Maybe it will rain that day and he won't be able to go outside.
No she wouldn't. He'd just call her Pocahontas 100 times and that would be good enough for the show.
 
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LOL, i know I've posted the Jim Gaffigan bit on McDonalds before, but you guys are the epitome, someone's lying. Let's see, Hillary only won the popular vote because dead people and illegals voted for her, and none of the ultra right wingnuts like you on this board voted for Trump, yet he won. Hmmm, where did all those winning votes come from?? Surely not Russians bots, because Trump is so tough on Russia. And now millions of new disgusted voters are going to swell the Trump ranks, LOLOLOL.
Wow, what an absolutely infantile, moronic post. See you on election day......loser.[/QUOTE]

You keep being you.
 

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I remember a time that Oklahoma was a solid Democratic state. I hardly knew a Republican. Every Governor was a Democrat. The Democratic Party has moved far to the left and left most Oklahomans far behind with their radical views.
It wasn’t long ago. Like 10-15 years.
Gene stipe did a number on the party
 

ksupoke

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I knew a "well they started it!" post was coming.
It’s interesting that’s what you took from that. What I was trying to point out, evidently poorly, is that Trump stole the book and perfected it. He not only uses the personal attacks but he (personally not through an intermediary) delivers them and in a highly ‘Alinskyized’ method, and that method has proven extremely effective when dealing with the masses. We simply don’t have statesmen anymore and truth be told I’m not sure we ever have except for their public posturing, 247 news cycle and instant access to information has simply exacerbated what has been going on since time immemorial.
Morals are and always have been virtually non existent in the realm of politics, probably the most statesman like and moral candidate for potus I know of was Dole but he also had warts.
Trump is the right potus at the right time he likely isn’t or wasn’t the right candidate in the past.
 
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Two things we learned in the 2016 election: first, over 3 million more Americans voted for Clinton than for Trump and second, for some reason many trump supporters who were polled were too ashamed to admit they supported him.
When you say Americans. Do you mean people that are in the US, above and below ground citizen or not. Lol. Once again we have a electoral process not popular vote.
 

ksupoke

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For me it’s simple and by priority:
Do I believe you will try to execute what you promise or is it campaigning
Do you want more of my money
Do you want to continue an empirical foreign policy
Will you ensure national security without an empirical fp
Will you foster an environment of personal responsibility & accountability
Will you be good for the economy
Do you want to take my guns
Do you support abortion

This is my litmus test I don’t really care what letter is in front of your name.
There are details inside each of these that will educate my thought process but generally speaking this is how I vote.
Based on all this I voted Johnson in 16, I was wrong.
 

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"Warren would chew him up and spit him out" Just like he ancestors did? LOL Warren would be one of 2 Dims that would make Wall Street libs vote Trump. You know Sierra Your President for the next 1,800 days...