The Bernie "That wasn't real soclialism" thread

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This excerpt from the book "Bigger than Bernie" provides an overview of the Democratic Socialist game plan for a socialist US.

A new socialist movement is cohering in the US, thanks in large part to the popular class politics of Bernie Sanders. But as that movement grows and progresses, it is bound to run into dangerous obstacles and thorny contradictions. The new US socialist movement is without a single "line" or monolithic political position. That's a strength of the movement, since none of us has all the answers. Still, many people in the movement, ourselves included, feel strongly about certain approaches to strategy. One approach we feel strongly about is what we call "the democratic road to socialism," or the idea that we need to make good use of the democratic structures and processes available to us (and to improve and expand them) in order to advance our cause.

https://www.salon.com/2020/02/22/wh...he-beginning-of-an-american-turn-to-the-left/
 

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This excerpt from the book "Bigger than Bernie" provides an overview of the Democratic Socialist game plan for a socialist US.

A new socialist movement is cohering in the US, thanks in large part to the popular class politics of Bernie Sanders. But as that movement grows and progresses, it is bound to run into dangerous obstacles and thorny contradictions. The new US socialist movement is without a single "line" or monolithic political position. That's a strength of the movement, since none of us has all the answers. Still, many people in the movement, ourselves included, feel strongly about certain approaches to strategy. One approach we feel strongly about is what we call "the democratic road to socialism," or the idea that we need to make good use of the democratic structures and processes available to us (and to improve and expand them) in order to advance our cause.

https://www.salon.com/2020/02/22/wh...he-beginning-of-an-american-turn-to-the-left/
The only redeeming point in that pile of hash is the mention of republican attempts at voter suppression, particularly at the level of the secretary of state. Now, I would argue that both parties do it but the republicans do it more. Either way, crap like that is what makes horrible ideas like socialism start sounding more reasonable to people.
 

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This excerpt from the book "Bigger than Bernie" provides an overview of the Democratic Socialist game plan for a socialist US.

A new socialist movement is cohering in the US, thanks in large part to the popular class politics of Bernie Sanders. But as that movement grows and progresses, it is bound to run into dangerous obstacles and thorny contradictions. The new US socialist movement is without a single "line" or monolithic political position. That's a strength of the movement, since none of us has all the answers. Still, many people in the movement, ourselves included, feel strongly about certain approaches to strategy. One approach we feel strongly about is what we call "the democratic road to socialism," or the idea that we need to make good use of the democratic structures and processes available to us (and to improve and expand them) in order to advance our cause.

https://www.salon.com/2020/02/22/wh...he-beginning-of-an-american-turn-to-the-left/
The only redeeming point in that pile of hash is the mention of republican attempts at voter suppression, particularly at the level of the secretary of state. Now, I would argue that both parties do it but the republicans do it more. Either way, crap like that is what makes horrible ideas like socialism start sounding more reasonable to people.
I refuse to click on a salon article. Please tell me about Republican voter suppression?

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I think best case scenario is they Run Bernie and he get's absolutely housed. Trump wins 48 states or something like that....Socialist Politicians are relegated to the fringes of society where they belong...

Worst case..he freaking wins. It's frankly scary to have him run...because as Trump proved you never know what can happen.

Last week AOC tweeted something to the affect of: Bloomberg is only wealthy because he underpays his staff and the stock market etc...
She's trying to say his wealth is "ill begotten" so that it's easier to justify taking it away (by force) Bloomberg is an unsympathetic figure, but frankly I doubt she makes much of a distinction between him and say someone like me...
 

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I refuse to click on a salon article. Please tell me about Republican voter suppression?

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Maybe if you did not refuse to take in knowledge from all sources you would not be ignorant of such a commonly known subject. If you really don't know what it is, I suggest you try google. If you are just trying to bait me into a pointless attempt at debate by saying "republican suppression" when I said both parties do it..... no thanks.
 

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I think best case scenario is they Run Bernie and he get's absolutely housed. Trump wins 48 states or something like that....Socialist Politicians are relegated to the fringes of society where they belong...

Worst case..he freaking wins. It's frankly scary to have him run...because as Trump proved you never know what can happen.

Last week AOC tweeted something to the affect of: Bloomberg is only wealthy because he underpays his staff and the stock market etc...
She's trying to say his wealth is "ill begotten" so that it's easier to justify taking it away (by force) Bloomberg is an unsympathetic figure, but frankly I doubt she makes much of a distinction between him and say someone like me...
Listening to the radio on the way in this morning and they interviewed someone from the RNC who said their internal polling is showing the potential for 15%-20% of Dem/Dem leaning voters to flip to Trump should Bernie win the nomination. She did add that Bernie is bringing people out that haven't been active voters so the bump could appear smaller in the final numbers.
 

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The only redeeming point in that pile of hash is the mention of republican attempts at voter suppression, particularly at the level of the secretary of state. Now, I would argue that both parties do it but the republicans do it more. Either way, crap like that is what makes horrible ideas like socialism start sounding more reasonable to people.
I'm thinking about buying the book just to see where their story ends.
 
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Listening to the radio on the way in this morning and they interviewed someone from the RNC who said their internal polling is showing the potential for 15%-20% of Dem/Dem leaning voters to flip to Trump should Bernie win the nomination. She did add that Bernie is bringing people out that haven't been active voters so the bump could appear smaller in the final numbers.
I wonder what happens with people like Chris Matthews and James Carville if (or more likely, when) Bernie becomes the nominee. They represent a pretty big chunk of the party. Do they stay home, do they support some third option in the general, or do they (gasp!) do the unthinkable and vote for Trump? I never thought I would, but here we are.
 

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I wonder what happens with people like Chris Matthews and James Carville if (or more likely, when) Bernie becomes the nominee. They represent a pretty big chunk of the party. Do they stay home, do they support some third option in the general, or do they (gasp!) do the unthinkable and vote for Trump? I never thought I would, but here we are.
Carville has already stated his intention:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ber...-political-hack-after-viral-msnbc-rant-2020-2
Carville conceded that he would vote for Sanders, in spite of their disagreements, over President Donald Trump.

"I would vote for a fanatical ideologue before I'd vote for a career criminal," Carville said. "Every day, whoever I determine at a given point has the best chance to run Trump's a-- out of office is gonna be the person that I'm gonna be for."
 

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Carville has already stated his intention:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ber...-political-hack-after-viral-msnbc-rant-2020-2
Carville conceded that he would vote for Sanders, in spite of their disagreements, over President Donald Trump.

"I would vote for a fanatical ideologue before I'd vote for a career criminal," Carville said. "Every day, whoever I determine at a given point has the best chance to run Trump's a-- out of office is gonna be the person that I'm gonna be for."
So, is he gonna be for Bernie or someone who has the best chance to run Trump's a-- out of office, because they are mutually exclusive?
 

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Carville has already stated his intention:
https://www.businessinsider.com/ber...-political-hack-after-viral-msnbc-rant-2020-2
Carville conceded that he would vote for Sanders, in spite of their disagreements, over President Donald Trump.

"I would vote for a fanatical ideologue before I'd vote for a career criminal," Carville said. "Every day, whoever I determine at a given point has the best chance to run Trump's a-- out of office is gonna be the person that I'm gonna be for."
See I'd vote for a career criminal before I'd vote for a fanatical ideologue.