Thanksgiving weekend big 12 games

[The Poke]

Iowas State only has 1 conference loss with 1 left to play (WVU).
They own the tiebreaker over 2 loss OU but no over 2 loss OSU.

 

[OkstateKerr]

So now on the off chance that ISU loses to WVU we need KSU to beat Texas for tie breaker purposes right?

 

[NinjaPoke]

Iowas State only has 1 conference loss with 1 left to play (WVU).
They own the tiebreaker over 2 loss OU but no over 2 loss OSU.

This is true BUT...they still have one more game against WVU. If they lose that (2-loss) and OSU wins out...they get left out.

 

[OkstateKerr]

So we win out, KSU beats Texas, WVU beats ISU. It’s ISU vs OSU right? Or we win out, ISU wins out, and OU loses to WVU. So your telling me there’s a chance!

 

[The Poke]

This is true BUT...they still have one more game against WVU. If they lose that (2-loss) and OSU wins out...they get left out.

Not necessarily. They would most likely wind up in a 3-way between ISU, OU, OSU.

 

[The Poke]

So we win out, KSU beats Texas, WVU beats ISU. It’s ISU vs OSU right? Or we win out, ISU wins out, and OU loses to WVU. So your telling me there’s a chance!

Yes, for the 3-way tiebreaker we could use a Texas loss to KSU.

 

[NinjaPoke]

Not necessarily. They would most likely wind up in a 3-way between ISU, OU, OSU.

I wonder how accurate this is.

 

[OstatePokes]

Not necessarily. They would most likely wind up in a 3-way between ISU, OU, OSU.

What’s the tie breaker in this case? We would all be 1-1 against each other.

 

[Herecomesbullets]

It's more most likely Iowa State makes the Conference Championship game.

That removes even more excuses for Gundy loyalists

Now Baylor, Kansas State, TCU, Iowa State, OU and Texas have all played in the game or won the Big 12 since OSU has.

That puts us with Texas Tech. West Virginia and yes Kansas in terms of not being able to win the Big 12 or at least make the game.

 

[Herecomesbullets]

What’s the tie breaker in this case? We would all be 1-1 against each other.

Point differential in the games that featured the teams tied with each other.

I think that's correct?

In which we got the crap beat out of us by OU so we lose that tie break.

 

[The Poke]

What’s the tie breaker in this case? We would all be 1-1 against each other.

Records against the next highest team in the Big 12 standings after these 3 teams. That's why I think a KSU win over Texas is better for us.

 

[OstatePokes]

Point differential in the games that featured the teams tied with each other.

I think that's correct?

In which we got the crap beat out of us by OU so we lose that tie break.

Would that just settle the first tie breaker? Because then OU would get in, and then if they revert back to head to head, we would get in over ISU. Or would we be eliminated based on the worst point differential? Seems like I have seen it both ways.

 

[Jostate]

I don't have the energy to do the calculous necessary to see what I should want in other conference games. Texas lost, they aren't going to the Big 12 championship. That's a good thing.

 

[PokeJ]

I also don’t have much confidence in KSU beating Texas. At very least I’d rather it be ISU/ou than ut/ou for champ game

Maybe ISU winning the Big 12 championship would be the catalyst for Matt Campbell to get an upgrade in coaching jobs and ISU will slip back into obscurity.

Why? Gundy beats him.


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[The Poke]

I wonder how accurate this is. View attachment 87371

He was wrong after Bedlam and mentions it here. He's also still wrong in this one too. In the paragraph where he starts "So the next tiebreaker..." he states that OU is in because they beat Texas (4th place tie-breaking team). But in his own scenario ISU just defeated Texas so they would be ahead of OSU when comparing to Texas.

 

[Herecomesbullets]

Would that just settle the first tie breaker? Because then OU would get in, and then if they revert back to head to head, we would get in over ISU. Or would we be eliminated based on the worst point differential? Seems like I have seen it both ways.

We would have the worst point differential between the 3 teams so we would lose that tie breaker if it came down to it.

This is why punting instead of trying to score, letting OU go 99, throwing fade routes to our Tight End, and punting in 4 of our last 5 possessions against Iowa State all mattered.

 

[The Poke]

We would have the worst point differential between the 3 teams so we would lose the tie breaker.

This is why punting instead of trying to score, letting OU go 99, throwing fade routes to our Tight End all mattered

Scoring differential is not in play until the 3rd tiebreaking step.

Step 1 in a multi-team tie is head-to-head.
Step 2 is to compare records of (in this case) the 3 tied teams to the 4th place team (most likely Texas or K-State).
Step 3 is scoring differential among the tied teams.

Assuming ISU loses to WVU and OU and OSU win out.... All 3 are tied.

If K-State were to upset Texas for the 4th spot ISU and OSU would advance because OU lost to K-State.
If Texas wins over K-State ISU and OU would advance because OSU lost to Texas.

 

[Herecomesbullets]

I'll guarantee you when Lincoln Riley kept the pedal to the metal abs OU went 99 yards to score, Riley knew that point differential is one of the tie breakers.

I'd be shocked if Gundy has even thought about tie breakers.

If he had it makes punting down 21 at the OU 38 even dumber.

 

[The Poke]

"The only way Iowa State can miss the Big XII title game is if they lose to West Virginia; Oklahoma wins out over Baylor and West Virginia; Oklahoma State wins out against Texas Tech, TCU, and Baylor; Texas loses out to Kansas and Kansas State; and Kansas State beating Texas while losing to Baylor. If all of those things happen, then the Cyclones will miss out."

https://www.siouxlandproud.com/spor...ace-in-big-xii-standings-with-win-over-texas/

 

[ATLCowboy4]

"The only way Iowa State can miss the Big XII title game is if they lose to West Virginia; Oklahoma wins out over Baylor and West Virginia; Oklahoma State wins out against Texas Tech, TCU, and Baylor; Texas loses out to Kansas and Kansas State; and Kansas State beating Texas while losing to Baylor. If all of those things happen, then the Cyclones will miss out."

https://www.siouxlandproud.com/spor...ace-in-big-xii-standings-with-win-over-texas/

another year another missed opportunity to make it to the CCG.