Thanks Coach Boynton for putting in such hard work!!

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Aug 7, 2006
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Have you guys ever thought that Bradley Skidmark knew this was coming and that may be why he was getting the hell out with an unreasonable request? We just don't have dudes.
No, I don't think so. We're essentially missing two recruiting classes at the moment and that's what has killed us. Those two classes would've been Underwood's and a guy with that kind of ego is going to expect to recruit dudes and not have to remove them from the roster.
 
Oct 7, 2015
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I'm sure you all noticed that Underwood has taken Illinois to the #2 spot in the Big 10+4 and just got another bump in his pay.

Holder really blew that one. (IMHO)

But, for the most part, I really appreciate Holder for what he's done for our alma mater.
 
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I'm sure you all noticed that Underwood has taken Illinois to the #2 spot in the Big 10+4 and just got another bump in his pay.

Holder really blew that one. (IMHO)

But, for the most part, I really appreciate Holder for what he's done for our alma mater.
Also took him two straight losing seasons to get there... perhaps we'll be rewarded similarly next year?
 
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I'm sure you all noticed that Underwood has taken Illinois to the #2 spot in the Big 10+4 and just got another bump in his pay.

Holder really blew that one. (IMHO)

But, for the most part, I really appreciate Holder for what he's done for our alma mater.
Skidmark is responsible, along with Travesity, for our losing stretch. He knew the cupboard was bare when he made his demands.
 

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Underwood bares no responsibility for the struggles we are experiencing. MB was the lead recruiter on his staff and been the head coach for 3 years. This state of the program is on Boynton.
 
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Underwood bares no responsibility for the struggles we are experiencing. MB was the lead recruiter on his staff and been the head coach for 3 years. This state of the program is on Boynton.
Wrong, he brought in Evans and he blew a recruiting class following a blown class between skidmark and travesty. Boynton wasn't his lead recruiter, Evans was
 
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Holder bares most of the responsibility, he gave a 10 year contract to Ford. He wasn't going to do that again, so when BU wanted more money, Holder let him walk. I also think BU knew Holder wasn't going to meet BU's demands and that he was going to Illinois regardless. But without the Ford contract debacle, maybe Holder does things different.
 
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Your right Boynton shouldn’t be held accountable for his program.
MB totally has some accountability, but let's not act like he hasn't been handcuffed from the start.

IMO, next year is a clean slate. If he can't produce with the talent he's recruited, then by all means let him go. But, the guy is Oklahoma State basketball through and through, unlike the last guy.
 
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I think the thing most need to remember is trajectory. We were 12-20 last year. This year, we'll finish no worse than 16-16. It's not earth shattering, but coupled with the next incoming class, it is trending upward. Keep in mind when Gundy took over and started turning the football program around, for several years he only improved incrementally, 1 game better in conference wins each year. Incremental improvement is better than that 1 magic season IMO, it shows a solid foundation is being built. We could very easily finish this year with 18 wins, which would be a 50% increase year over year in wins. If OSU were a stock, would you buy or sell?
 

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I think the thing most need to remember is trajectory. We were 12-20 last year. This year, we'll finish no worse than 16-16. It's not earth shattering, but coupled with the next incoming class, it is trending upward. Keep in mind when Gundy took over and started turning the football program around, for several years he only improved incrementally, 1 game better in conference wins each year. Incremental improvement is better than that 1 magic season IMO, it shows a solid foundation is being built. We could very easily finish this year with 18 wins, which would be a 50% increase year over year in wins. If OSU were a stock, would you buy or sell?
Honestly right about now I'd be kicking myself for not having bought earlier and then I'd buy.

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I think the thing most need to remember is trajectory. We were 12-20 last year. This year, we'll finish no worse than 16-16. It's not earth shattering, but coupled with the next incoming class, it is trending upward. Keep in mind when Gundy took over and started turning the football program around, for several years he only improved incrementally, 1 game better in conference wins each year. Incremental improvement is better than that 1 magic season IMO, it shows a solid foundation is being built. We could very easily finish this year with 18 wins, which would be a 50% increase year over year in wins. If OSU were a stock, would you buy or sell?
Good post!

I agree with you program stability vs. a one year flash in the pan, but then again, who doesn't? I'd also add that changing your fortunes in BB quickly is soooo much easier than in football, just from a sheer numbers of dudes standpoint.

To your question, though, I'd hesitantly buy now. Recruiting rankings look great, but seen that before, so I'm cautiously optimistic.