Tape Doesn't Lie Podcast

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Yes, and it looked like the LB's were selling out to stop the run. The plays that worked were draws, shuttles, etc when we showed pass first and then got the ball to the running back.
Ok, but overall how has their defense done in the Big 12? You’re cherry picking instead of looking at the entire picture.
 
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We have dozens and dozens of schemes/blitzes. We only show a handful each game. The coaches will strategize and game plan for where they want to attack. The first two games we were down several horses and did not show much. That’s by design. There is plennnty of things we haven’t shown and probably won’t until Texas
 

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How are we not lined up like they are lined up? This is the very first play of the first video posted above:
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Three condensed down linemen, three linebackers, five DBs.

Here is the same graphic of the AJ Green pick six play from above:
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Three condensed down linemen, three linebackers, five DBs.

The only difference is one play is backed up to the goal line and in our picture, the slot LB is spread out a bit more due to where the slot receiver is lined up.

You’re using specific plays to try to describe an overall scheme. We aren’t always going to blitz two LBs to one side. We aren’t always going to drop one into coverage. Those specific plays do not define the scheme as a whole.
Two things
1. That "slot LB" is lined up further from the LOS than ISU does in all the examples presented. So far, its been rare for us to pile into the box like that this season. Its more often that we are spread way further out and then drop into coverage.
2. That "slot LB" immediately moved to the flat in that call. He vacated the box. That seems typical so far, where we leave very few people near the LOS, and I'm curious to see if do that consistently or if we bring that guy into the box against different teams.
 
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3 down linemen force 5 o-line to decide who they need to block before the ball is snapped, if the tackle has to try to block a LB that drops in coverage that is one blocker out of the play. I think it's more about disrupting blocking and creating a numbers advantage. I think ISU has done a good job with their defense and that we will be better than last year with this scheme.
 

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Two things
1. That "slot LB" is lined up further from the LOS than ISU does in all the examples presented. So far, its been rare for us to pile into the box like that this season. Its more often that we are spread way further out and then drop into coverage.
2. That "slot LB" immediately moved to the flat in that call. He vacated the box. That seems typical so far, where we leave very few people near the LOS, and I'm curious to see if do that consistently or if we bring that guy into the box against different teams.
Again, you’re stating specific plays and responsibilities on those specific plays that ISU may very well mimic when they are put in those same situations depending on what the slot receiver is doing, what coverages/blitzes they are running.

We’ve seen a very limited, vanilla portion of the scheme change.
 

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Again, you’re stating specific plays and responsibilities on those specific plays that ISU may very well mimic when they are put in those same situations depending on what the slot receiver is doing, what coverages/blitzes they are running.

We’ve seen a very limited, vanilla portion of the scheme change.
What other observations can we make? Of course I'm using specific plays and responsibilities, because that's the data we have so far.... . I'm not going to speculate about future calls against future opponents, or if ISU would do something similar. If/when we see the defense you're describing, then I'll discuss that. But so far, we haven't seen that style across the board.

Hopefully you're right about it being part of our "vanilla" approach so far. As with most discussions........we'll have to wait and see!
 

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What other observations can we make? Of course I'm using specific plays and responsibilities, because that's the data we have so far.... . I'm not going to speculate about future calls against future opponents, or if ISU would do something similar. If/when we see the defense you're describing, then I'll discuss that. But so far, we haven't seen that style across the board.

Hopefully you're right about it being part of our "vanilla" approach so far. As with most discussions........we'll have to wait and see!
You’re picking specific plays. There were numerous other plays during that game in that scheme in which we didn’t do what you described.
 

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You’re picking specific plays. There were numerous other plays during that game in that scheme in which we didn’t do what you described.
Ok.......? But there were also numerous plays in which we DID do exactly what I'm describing. And there were numerous plays against Oregon State as well....

I'll watch more closely against Tulsa and see what we do. But right now, it just *seems* like we have very few people in the box on most defensive plays, and that our "blitzes" are often delayed and easily picked up.
 

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In the first half the defense gave up 96 yards on 36 plays. In the second half it wasn't the same defense out there. Just looking at the participation chart on the OSU athletic site, there were players out there I had never heard of. So, if we gave up yards and were out of position it was with players lacking game experience.

https://okstate.com/boxscore.aspx?id=9072&path=football
 
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I'd recommend Whiskey actually.
You should include the episode description:
Breakdown of Oklahoma State's surprising loss to Texas Tech. What is up with the effort level? Spencer Sanders progression and why keeping him in for the 2nd half was critical.

By the way, if you’re ever in the Frisco area, I’ll buy you a beer... or whisky. Then I’ll share my ideas on improving the show. Increasing production value, don’t go into so much detail, monetizing, etc.;)
 

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You should include the episode description:
Breakdown of Oklahoma State's surprising loss to Texas Tech. What is up with the effort level? Spencer Sanders progression and why keeping him in for the 2nd half was critical.

By the way, if you’re ever in the Frisco area, I’ll buy you a beer... or whisky. Then I’ll share my ideas on improving the show. Increasing production value, don’t go into so much detail, monetizing, etc.;)
LOL thanks, havent heard those ones yet!!! Ill def take you up on the beer.
 
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How are we not lined up like they are lined up? This is the very first play of the first video posted above:
View attachment 73027
Three condensed down linemen, three linebackers, five DBs.

Here is the same graphic of the AJ Green pick six play from above:
View attachment 73028
Three condensed down linemen, three linebackers, five DBs.

The only difference is one play is backed up to the goal line and in our picture, the slot LB is spread out a bit more due to where the slot receiver is lined up.

You’re using specific plays to try to describe an overall scheme. We aren’t always going to blitz two LBs to one side. We aren’t always going to drop one into coverage. Those specific plays do not define the scheme as a whole.
Iowa State is in a 3-4 Cover 6 which means they have 7 box players that are run first dedicated
OSU is in an Odd Stack Cover 4 with 5 1/2 run first dedicated box players

I consider anyone who is run first to be a box player

Big difference in who the 1/2 players are, how vertical threats are defensed, how run plays are defensed and how the play action/RPO's gets replaced etc...
 
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Iowa State is in a 3-4 Cover 6 which means they have a 7 box players that are run first dedicated
OSU is in an Odd Stack Cover 4 with 5 1/2 run first dedicated box players

I consider anyone who is run first to be a box player

Big difference in who the 1/2 players are, how vertical threats are defensed etc...
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