Suicide of the West

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panhandler62

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What's up with the extream polarization in this country thee days? Both liberals and conservatives have good as well as bad ideas, as do the various independents and moderates.

Hardline ideology, of any stripe, invariably leads to destruction once it suceeds in supressing the oppositional voices.
 

MustangPokeFan

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What's up with the extream polarization in this country thee days? Both liberals and conservatives have good as well as bad ideas, as do the various independents and moderates.

Hardline ideology, of any stripe, invariably leads to destruction once it suceeds in supressing the oppositional voices.
I don't see any liberals being silenced, quite the opposite. I don't mind listening to their blathering feel-good departures from the reality. I just don't like suffering the consequences of their actions when fools actually place them in positions of power. The image may be unnerving but the truth often is......
 
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I don't see any liberals being silenced, quite the opposite. I don't mind listening to their blathering feel-good departures from the reality. I just don't like suffering the consequences of their actions when fools actually place them in positions of power. The image may be unnerving but the truth often is......
I don't see conservatives being silenced either, dude. It cuts both ways.
 

MustangPokeFan

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I don't see conservatives being silenced either, dude. It cuts both ways.
Did I say anything about anyone being silenced? No, I did not.

I just posted this because I feel it illustrates the two biggest threats to the future of our country. It's not about Republican or Democrat or really even views that are slightly to the left of center. It goes without saying that you need both sides for balance. These images represent "extremism". Islamic extremism and Liberal extremism, both of which are accurately represented in the illustration. Both have been allowed to propagate to a dangerous level and both will be the undoing of our country if left unchecked.
 

jakeman

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The only thing I find disturbing about the image is that people actually think like that.

What I find disturbing is that more people don't think like that. We are moving more toward socalism every day. It will be the ruin of this Nation.
 
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Unfortunately there are few forums where we actually have a conversation and the merits of ideologies are discussed. The political cartoon that started this thread evokes a visceral response. Just like many political statements of our day the cartoon elicits a for or against mentality.

There is no nuance to the cartoon. Will "liberalism" destroy western society? Will Islam pull the trigger? These are incredibly large ideas reduced to a for or against, yes or no answer.
 
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Unfortunately there are few forums where we actually have a conversation and the merits of ideologies are discussed. The political cartoon that started this thread evokes a visceral response. Just like many political statements of our day the cartoon elicits a for or against mentality.

There is no nuance to the cartoon. Will "liberalism" destroy western society? Will Islam pull the trigger? These are incredibly large ideas reduced to a for or against, yes or no answer.
My thoughts exactly.
 

Epperley28

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Did I say anything about anyone being silenced? No, I did not.

I just posted this because I feel it illustrates the two biggest threats to the future of our country. It's not about Republican or Democrat or really even views that are slightly to the left of center. It goes without saying that you need both sides for balance. These images represent "extremism". Islamic extremism and Liberal extremism, both of which are accurately represented in the illustration. Both have been allowed to propagate to a dangerous level and both will be the undoing of our country if left unchecked.
It seems to me that the neoconservatives who have been in control of the country for the last eight years would be the ones who would be to blame for the recent downfall of our civilization, but you're probably right. It's always those who AREN'T driving that somehow manage to guide the bus over the cliff. :rolleyes: They must be using telekenesis, those sneaky bastards!
 
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What's up with the extream polarization in this country thee days? Both liberals and conservatives have good as well as bad ideas, as do the various independents and moderates.

Hardline ideology, of any stripe, invariably leads to destruction once it suceeds in supressing the oppositional voices.
I'll have to call you on that one.. the liberals DO NOT have any good ideas.

I've yet to see one anyway.
 

NYC Poke

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oh stop the nonsense NY, conservatives and moderates would not tolerate unsanitary conditions any more than any dang liberal that wants to redistribute wealth, infringe on our liberties, and make us socialists.

Perhaps not. But there was a time when no regulations of that sort existed, and some of the arguments against them were that it would lead to socialism. Same with the child labor laws.
 
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I believe Social Security is a good idea. Woefully, ineptly managed in this country. But still a good idea.
I agree to some extent, but that's not really wealth redistribution, everybody pays (supposedly), and everybody draws.

It got way out of whack until Reagan made some changes.

During the 1970s and 1980s, concern arose about the financial integrity of the Social Security trust funds. The balance was shifting between money coming in from taxes and benefits going out of the funds, and it became clear that the trust funds could be depleted without some reforms to Social Security operations. To stem these developments, the administration of President Ronald Reagan passed a set of major legislative changes to Social Security laws in 1983. These changes included the cancellation and, in some cases, taxation of certain benefits. The Congress also legislated a gradual increase in the full retirement age, raising it from 65 to 67 for individuals born in 1960 or later. The Reagan administration also began to consider returning the SSA to its original status as an independent agency. Many members of Congress and the president’s Cabinet felt that this change would make the SSA more efficient and fiscally responsible and would demonstrate the government’s renewed commitment to Social Security. Over a decade later, in 1995, the SSA once again became an independent agency.


The following year, President Bill Clinton signed a set of major welfare reform bills into law. Under these reforms, the program called Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), a revision of the original ADC program, was abolished and replaced by Temporary Aid for Needy Families (TANF). This program placed time limits on benefits to poor families with dependent children and set work requirements for receiving those benefits.
 

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It seems to me that the neoconservatives who have been in control of the country for the last eight years would be the ones who would be to blame for the recent downfall of our civilization, but you're probably right. It's always those who AREN'T driving that somehow manage to guide the bus over the cliff. :rolleyes: They must be using telekenesis, those sneaky bastards!
The downfall I'm speaking of started in the 1960's with people like Madelyn Murray O'Hare and the acid-taking flower power crowd who have become adults (sort of) and unfortunately have taken over most of academia as well as the media. Things have swung so far to the left that Bush is actually viewed as a conservative. Real conservatives don't spent the public's money like a punch drunk sailor.

America needs more Tom Coburns.....
 

Epperley28

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The downfall I'm speaking of started in the 1960's with people like Madelyn Murray O'Hare and the acid-taking flower power crowd who have become adults (sort of) and unfortunately have taken over most of academia as well as the media. Things have swung so far to the left that Bush is actually viewed as a conservative. Real conservatives don't spent the public's money like a punch drunk sailor.

America needs more Tom Coburns.....
So you're admitting that the only people who can gain doctoral degrees are liberals. Interestiing.

Sooner fans = high school dropouts
Conservatives = high school dropouts

Therefore:

Conservatives = Sooner fans :eek: