Such a weird story

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kaboy42

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Don't know, but a crazy chick was able to walk right out armed and dangerous. I guess since it worked out this time, all is well.
I’m sorry... at what point in the timeline of this incident was this “crazy chick” deemed insane or mentally unstable by a board certified psychologist?

Can you provide a link please.
 

pokes16

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LOL, no, pokes16, I'm not insane. But you sure did prove to us all you're insane by writing, "No guns to Dims!". They are people, too, whether you are sane enough to accept that or not. Seriously, pokes16, just because you quite strongly believe in highly conservative ideals doesn't mean you have to be insane about it.
Oh Townie. A couple of thoughts. First, I think you have a point. Gun hating libs hate it when us Deplorable/Bitter Clingers have guns. BUT they love having their own armed security force around them. Ever noticed that the people screaming the most about gun laws have armed guards? Hmmmmmmm.....

Second thought for you specifically...

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Get one. Learn to use it! ;)
 
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Don't know, but a crazy chick was able to walk right out armed and dangerous. I guess since it worked out this time, all is well.
In my opinion, crazy people in the media incite more violence than anything this woman could've done. And yet, I'm not suggesting that their first amendment rights be eliminated.
 
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Don't know, but a crazy chick was able to walk right out armed and dangerous. I guess since it worked out this time, all is well.
Her family did not get her the mental help she needed. That's obvious from the dad's statement. If there's no diagnosis there's no reason to deny her the gun or ammunition in the background check.
 

wrenhal

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Great, so I'll put you in the category of defending this lunatic chic's rights to guy a gun without condition or review. Excellent choice.
I'll put you in the category of wanting to take away rights from someone who hasn't yet committed a crime. Excellent choice.
I guess he's advocating for the prosecution of pre crimes. I think that's what they called it in that movie where they had those people that could see the future and determine who was going to commit a crime before it happened.

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CaliforniaCowboy

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Her family did not get her the mental help she needed. That's obvious from the dad's statement. If there's no diagnosis there's no reason to deny her the gun or ammunition in the background check.
he's just being the devil's advocate... there is no way to tell when a person may "go crazy". I could be perfectly sane and have lots of guns, then something traumatic happens, like a socialist getting elected, and all the sudden half the population goes "crazy" (according to the other half of the population).

it is not really even a problem when compared to the actual problems that we're facing in the US.
 

CocoCincinnati

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How come we never discuss that pesky 4th amendment? Think of how many crimes could be prevented, how many children could be saved if we repealed that one. If it saves the life of just one child, isn't it worth it?

Obviously the answer is no and if you can understand why then maybe don't use that rhetoric when discussing gun control. Both amendments along with the rest of the bill of rights are there to protect us. Yes, freedom can be dangerous, the rights that protect us from the government, also give a lot of breathing room to criminals. A police state may have less crime, but it is not worth trading that for less freedom. So no, democrats, you cannot have my guns any more than you can enter my house without a warrant.
 
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An element of this story that got discussed alot the other day here in Denver is what do the schools do about it? What if she hadn't been found for days? How long do you keep 500k out of school?

If they open schools back up & something happens, they'll never hear the end of it. On the other hand, though, where's the line for deciding to close entire school districts?

There have now been 4 more Denver metro schools shut down this week because of threats, weapons, etc..., including 2 today.

I don't pretend to know what the answer or solution to this is, but this is really a no-win situation for the schools. Simply no easy answers here.
 

CocoCincinnati

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An element of this story that got discussed alot the other day here in Denver is what do the schools do about it? What if she hadn't been found for days? How long do you keep 500k out of school?

If they open schools back up & something happens, they'll never hear the end of it. On the other hand, though, where's the line for deciding to close entire school districts?

There have now been 4 more Denver metro schools shut down this week because of threats, weapons, etc..., including 2 today.

I don't pretend to know what the answer or solution to this is, but this is really a no-win situation for the schools. Simply no easy answers here.
My suggestion has always been let teachers who want to, and who have been through training to get a CCL, carry on campus. This would have the immediate effect of deterrence, since these nuts want body counts and would most likely look for an easier target. BUT, more importantly, the kids and teachers would not be completely defenseless if some nut does walk in with a gun.
 

CaliforniaCowboy

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I don't pretend to know what the answer or solution to this is, but this is really a no-win situation for the schools. Simply no easy answers here.
why isn’t the left arguing for practical solutions that have been shown to curb gun violence in our learning institutions? After all, if these methods have successfully protected our inner-city students, they should work for those in the suburbs, right?

...the debate over gun control arises. However, politicians, the media, and most Americans have failed to ask an important question: if a lack of gun control legislation is the issue, then why don’t these incidents occur in inner-city schools?

When was the last time you heard of a mass shooting occurring at schools in cities like Los Angeles, Detroit, or Chicago? Sure, these cities have high rates of gun violence despite having some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, but their schools do not experience the level of deadly violence that we see elsewhere in the country. The answer is simple: inner city schools are doing something that others are not. They are implementing the types of security measures that deter and prevent would-be mass shooters.

Robust Security Measures
Schools in urban areas have used a variety of security measures to curb gun violence on their campuses. These methods were first introduced in the mid-‘80s when Detroit became one of the first cities to install metal detectors in middle schools and high schools. Schools in New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles followed suit shortly after.

These policies have drastically decreased violent gun crime in the learning institutions in which they are implemented. Philip Smith, the president of the National African American Gun Association, believes that enhanced security should also be used in other schools. “I think urban schools are eons ahead,” he told The Denver Post. “They’ve been dealing with violence a lot longer than suburban schools.”

All American Schools Should Follow The Example Of Inner City Schools
It appears that some state governments are learning that our schools need more security. After the shooting at Parkland, Florida Governor Rick Scott stated that he wants to spend $500 million to install metal detectors, increase the number of law enforcement officers on campus, and provide more mental health counselors at schools.

OUR DETROIT SCHOOL IS A FORTRESS. EVERY DOOR IS LOCKED FROM THE OUTSIDE AND EQUIPPED WITH SENSORS. LEAVE IT OPEN TOO LONG AND THE ALARM SCREECHES THROUGH THE HALLWAY LIKE A CAT IN HEAT.
When school shootings occur, as a school counselor, I spring into action. I prepare myself to have students come to my office for courageous conversations about gun violence. My job is to attempt to restore their confidence and normalcy; get their head back in the academic game.

In Detroit, where I work, no one ever comes to me after a shooting — not even a parent phone call to ask, “what is your plan if someone shoots up the school?” Nothing. After the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida I decided to go to them. In the lunch room, I sat with my students and asked:

“Did you hear about what happened in Florida.”

They had.

“Are you concerned about something like that happening here?”

Their answer is a confident unanimous, “No.”
https://wearyourvoicemag.com/news-politics/why-inner-city-schools-dont-have-shootings
 
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In my opinion, crazy people in the media incite more violence than anything this woman could've done. And yet, I'm not suggesting that their first amendment rights be eliminated.
And that's where the debate always devolves to. No one, and I mean NO ONE is advocating for elimination of anyone's second amendment rights. I believe however, that it should be harder to buy a firearm than a six pack of beer. Is that really such a radical idea?
 

CaliforniaCowboy

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And that's where the debate always devolves to. No one, and I mean NO ONE is advocating for elimination of anyone's second amendment rights. I believe however, that it should be harder to buy a firearm than a six pack of beer. Is that really such a radical idea?
actually, noo... the "debate" devolves when you claim authority to federal regulation over State's issues.

YOU drive the discussion into the dirt. I've explained to you over and over and over and over that it is a LOCAL issue, not something requiring the people of one State to force regulations on the people of another State.

I'm happy to talk with you about the oppressive laws in California and how ineffective that they are, but YOU do not want to have a legitimate discussion about laws and effects - you only seem to want to claim the authority for people of one state to dictate how the people of another state should govern themselves.

We already have those laws in CA - the work okay, in most instances, but are waaay too much.

Frankly, in CA there is nowhere else to go sans banning guns entirely, so what exactly is it that you think you'd be proposing?

It is vastly harder to buy a gun in CA than it is a six pack, so no, it's not a radical idea, and it's already been done. What else do you got?
 
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And that's where the debate always devolves to. No one, and I mean NO ONE is advocating for elimination of anyone's second amendment rights. I believe however, that it should be harder to buy a firearm than a six pack of beer. Is that really such a radical idea?
This lady bought her gun from a licensed gun dealer. In order to do so, she did WAAAAYYY more than show her driver's license and hand the dealer $1000. She had to fill out a form, sign it, and wait for it to go through a background check. Only after that did she get to pay for the gun and walk out of the store. "Journalists" don't do any of this before they publish lies that sometimes results in deaths of people.
 
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This lady bought her gun from a licensed gun dealer. In order to do so, she did WAAAAYYY more than show her driver's license and hand the dealer $1000. She had to fill out a form, sign it, and wait for it to go through a background check. Only after that did she get to pay for the gun and walk out of the store. "Journalists" don't do any of this before they publish lies that sometimes results in deaths of people.
But it was still easier for her to buy a shotgun than a six pack. Look, I want to have my guns. I want you to have yours. I just don't want her to have them. I don't know the answer, but to me it seems logical that you and I should be more than willing to jump through a few hoops for our 2nd amendment rights because we take it seriously.
 

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This lady bought her gun from a licensed gun dealer. In order to do so, she did WAAAAYYY more than show her driver's license and hand the dealer $1000. She had to fill out a form, sign it, and wait for it to go through a background check. Only after that did she get to pay for the gun and walk out of the store. "Journalists" don't do any of this before they publish lies that sometimes results in deaths of people.
But it was still easier for her to buy a shotgun than a six pack. Look, I want to have my guns. I want you to have yours. I just don't want her to have them. I don't know the answer, but to me it seems logical that you and I should be more than willing to jump through a few hoops for our 2nd amendment rights because we take it seriously.
Did she have to fill out paperwork to buy a six-pack? If so I missed that. I always thought it was just show your driver's license and pay the money. Having to fill out the paperwork and have a background check ran is by default harder than buying beer. You are bad at analogies.

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But it was still easier for her to buy a shotgun than a six pack. Look, I want to have my guns. I want you to have yours. I just don't want her to have them. I don't know the answer, but to me it seems logical that you and I should be more than willing to jump through a few hoops for our 2nd amendment rights because we take it seriously.
Seriously? I just told you what it took for her to buy a gun and you say that it was still easier to buy a gun than a six pack? Good gosh man.
 
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Did she have to fill out paperwork to buy a six-pack? If so I missed that. I always thought it was just show your driver's license and pay the money. Having to fill out the paperwork and have a background check ran is by default harder than buying beer. You are bad at analogies.

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Dude, she could not have legally bought a six pack. YOu know this, and you know what I"m trying to say. You are being very disingenuous.